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[Apophis2412]

I just choose to free the Circle from it's shackels as my end-game bonus. The problem however is that neither the epilogue nor Irving acknowledgr it.

[saruman85]

No, they don't. They're b*stards that way.



The most you get is the epilogue slide saying Irving goes back and cleans out the Circle Tower, etc. Might make a difference in DA2 though.

[Elhanan]

Nope; once Irving fawned all over me at the celebration, but I cannot get that to repeat, and I don't know why.

[LobselVith8]

Much like becoming the new Teyrn of Gwaren, asking for the Ferelden Circle to be given its independence isn't mentioned in the epilogue slides. According to head writer of DA:O:

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

[Aeowyn]

Irving acknowledged it on my playthrough. Must be a bug I guess

[LobselVith8]

Aeowyn wrote...

Irving acknowledged it on my playthrough. Must be a bug I guess

What does Irving say to the Warden?

[Elhanan]

Irving goes on about what a selfless act it is, instead of asking for gold and land. My noble mage Warden's are happy, until they get to Awakening. My evil mage Warden's laugh inwardly as they are knowing that such freedom will aid my interests, be it power, Blood Magic, gold, etc. until they get to Awakening, and then take their fury out on the Templars.

[Aeowyn]

He says that he's surprised that you chose to free the Circle; that many other people wouldve chosen power or wealth. You can answer with various options and I chose "I thought it was the right thing to do." And he just says that he is very grateful and that the Mages will learn from their mistakes and not destroy the trust which has been given to them.

[saruman85]

Elhanan wrote...
until they get to Awakening, and then take their fury out on the Templars.

I load-spammed Knight-Commander Rylock to get her to drop her Landsmeet Shield, but after a while I realised it wasn't nearly as tedious as load-spamming Sophia - because I enjoyed killing her. Every. Single. Time.

[Greed1914]

I think at most, the crown could apply political pressure on the Chantry, but that's about it. The Chantry runs the circle, so it's up to them. In fact, in Awakening, even though I conscripted Anders and King Alistair told the templars that Anders was off limits as a Warden, they still came after him. The templars claimed that they supercede the crown when it comes to mages.



If nothing else, I suspect you'd see a lot of templars still going after mages since that is their purpose.

[Sesshomaru47]

I chose that too. To free them and then played Awakening and Wynn didn't even acknowledge it and when I suggested how super awesome great it would be she flipped her nut...Geez so much for continuity.

[Apophis2412]

Aeowyn wrote...

Irving acknowledged it on my playthrough. Must be a bug I guess

It was a bug.  I looked in the Toolset and it seem Irving just have me the standard line.

Modifié par Apophis2412, 14 septembre 2010 - 07:07 .

[Riona45]

Apophis2412 wrote...

I just choose to free the Circle from it's shackels as my end-game bonus. The problem however is that neither the epilogue nor Irving acknowledgr it.

Err, actually Irving does acknowledge it.  Going by his dialogue, he actually feels rather humbled by it.

Also, it does effect some of the epilogue slides, even though there's no slide specifically saying that the Circle is now autonomous.

[Riona45]

Greed1914 wrote...

I think at most, the crown could apply political pressure on the Chantry, but that's about it. The Chantry runs the circle, so it's up to them. In fact, in Awakening, even though I conscripted Anders and King Alistair told the templars that Anders was off limits as a Warden, they still came after him. The templars claimed that they supercede the crown when it comes to mages.

Well, in that case it's really just Rylock being an obsessive nutcase.  After all, she didn't bother telling the monarch that her judgment superceded the crown, probably because she had no leg to stand on.  Grey Warden mages aren't under Chantry jurisdiction, period.

[ejoslin]

The slides are AWFUL for a female mage who asks for the mage boon. Hahahaha. Oh god, it can't get too much worse than that.

Edit: I imagine the writers laughed entirely too hard when writing them :/

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:54 .

[Riona45]

ejoslin wrote...

The slides are AWFUL for a female mage who asks for the mage boon. Hahahaha. Oh god, it can't get too much worse than that.

Are you talking about Cullen?  That kinda depends on how you felt about him.  If you don't ask for the mage boon, he winds up becoming the new Knight-Commander and rules through fear (according to the wiki).  I would say that's worse.

Modifié par Riona45, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:57 .

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

The slides are AWFUL for a female mage who asks for the mage boon. Hahahaha. Oh god, it can't get too much worse than that.

Edit: I imagine the writers laughed entirely too hard when writing them :/

I don't recall anything awful there. Am I missing something?

Actually I do remember Cullen going insane and killing a few apprentices. But overall the slides weren't awful.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:58 .

[Riona45]

Zjarcal wrote...

 But overall the slides weren't awful.

Agreed. ejoslin, you are overstating things.

[ejoslin]

Maybe you had to flirt with Cullen? They are bad. Not as bad as the city elf ones that don't show up in the game, but pretty damn close. Let's see...

The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.

Edit: I think that's really bad!  But it's not female only.  Actually, the mages have some pretty bad slides here, but I'm not sure I've seen all of them in the game.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 octobre 2010 - 01:02 .

[Riona45]

ejoslin wrote...

Maybe you had to flirt with Cullen? They are bad. Not as bad as the city elf ones that don't show up in the game, but pretty damn close. Let's see...

The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.

Yeah, so?  That's just one slide, and not all PCs feel the same thing about Cullen.  You're allowed to react to him however you want.

EDIT:  There are "bad" slides for all kinds of decisions, not just for mages.

Modifié par Riona45, 18 octobre 2010 - 01:03 .

[ejoslin]

Riona45 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Maybe you had to flirt with Cullen? They are bad. Not as bad as the city elf ones that don't show up in the game, but pretty damn close. Let's see...

The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.

Yeah, so?  That's just one slide, and not all PCs feel the same thing about Cullen.  You're allowed to react to him however you want.

EDIT:  There are "bad" slides for all kinds of decisions, not just for mages.

I am not following you at ALL here.  Did I say the rest of the slides were good?  And my feelings for Cullen?  I didn't realize I had any.  I think someone snapping, killing three people, escaping from prison and being a maniac on the loose is pretty bad though.  Obviously, you don't think that's one of the worst slides while I do.  We're all entitled to our opinions of course.  Mine happens to be different than yours.

/shrug  I think that slide is AWFUL.  I think the city elf ones that didn't make it into the game are worse.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 octobre 2010 - 01:06 .

[Zjarcal]

I'd say the slide is bad in the sense that apprentices were unjustly killed, but I couldn't care less about Cullen going insane.

The slide when you annul the Circle is far worse IMO. Cullen as the Knight Commander? Ouch.

Is there a unique slide if you annul the Circle as a Mage? And can you still ask for the boon if you annul it?

Modifié par Zjarcal, 18 octobre 2010 - 01:07 .

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...
I think the city elf ones that didn't make it into the game are worse.

Huh? What happens in those?

[ejoslin]

The Cullen one is unique to the mage boon. The others are not. And I think they're BAD.



It's not so much the apprentices being killed (though that's bad). It's having a maniac on the loose, who's a danger to all mages. Though when you think about it, templars are a danger to all mages anyway.