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[ejoslin]

The city elf ones? I posted them awhile back. Unfortunately, the file that could restore them is not in the toolset so here they are. And if people tell me that "oh, that's not bad..." I swear I'll post some screenies that they WILL think are bad dammit!



COMMENT: There is a Bann of the elven alienage



With a new bann in the Landsmeet to represent them, the city-born elves found a better lot than ever. New law gave the elves more trading rights and their own militia within the Alienage.



if Shianni is the Bann of the Alienage: Resistance from humans saw a rise in violence in the city, however, which culminated in Shianni's murder by a human bigot several years later. The resulting riot in the Alienage forced a crack-down from the throne, a clear signal that the tension with the elves had not been resolved.



if Soris is the Bann of the Alienage (not sure how THIS happens): A year later, Soris's marriage to a wealthy human woman caused a scandal in both parts of the city--resulting in a riot within the Alienage that forced a crack-down from the throne. Angered, Soris resigned his title and left Ferelden with his new wife. No new bann was named to replace him.



if the PC is Bann of the Alienage: With <FirstName/> as their new voice, the elves became prosperous in a way they had never known... enough to draw elves from nearby lands, desperate for real hope. The influx built ire among the human population and eventually resulted in a riot in Denerim, showing that as much as things change, they always stay the same.



if someone else is the Bann of the Alienage: Resistance from humans saw a rise in violence in the city, however, culminating in an angry mob outside the Landsmeet that stoned the new bann to death. The resulting riot in the Alienage forced a crack-down from the throne, a clear signal that tensions with the elves were far from resolved.

[Zjarcal]

Okay, those are bad indeed! Well, the one with the Wardenas Bann is not so bad, but the rest, yeah...



And feel free to post those screenies regardless!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Aeowyn wrote...

Irving acknowledged it on my playthrough. Must be a bug I guess

My guess is it got bugged in either patch 1.03 or 1.04. The first time I played a mage, with 1.02, he aknowledged it and went on about selflessness and crap. Don't remember what the epilogue slide said.

But playing it running 1.03, he didn't aknowledge it.

[Riona45]

ejoslin wrote...

I am not following you at ALL here.  Did I say the rest of the slides were good?  And my feelings for Cullen?  I didn't realize I had any.  I think someone snapping, killing three people, escaping from prison and being a maniac on the loose is pretty bad though.

I think it's bad too (though not by far among the worst slides in the game), but you were all like, "It's AWFUL if you are a female mage," which implies that it's bad because of Cullen going insane.  For the record, it doesn't have to do with the PC being female.

And I never said or implied that you had feelings for Cullen.

Modifié par Riona45, 18 octobre 2010 - 02:51 .

[ejoslin]

Riona45 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I am not following you at ALL here.  Did I say the rest of the slides were good?  And my feelings for Cullen?  I didn't realize I had any.  I think someone snapping, killing three people, escaping from prison and being a maniac on the loose is pretty bad though.

I think it's bad too (though not by far among the worst slides in the game), but you were all like, "It's AWFUL if you are a female mage," which implies that it's bad because of Cullen going insane.  For the record, it doesn't have to do with the PC being female.

And I never said or implied that you had feelings for Cullen.

Honestly, it is.  I thought it was a gender thing, but it isn't.  However, when he's snapping in the torture chamber, he has some extra things to say what is driving him insane and torturing him.  And it IS awful when you put the two together.  At least, I think it is.  /shrug, again, it's a matter of opinion.  You disagree with mine.  That's fine  You're allowed.  I'm not going to go sitting here telling you that MY opinion is right so YOU'RE not reacting the way you should!  

Worst slides IN game?  Hmmmm, that is among them, seriously, especially if you're a female mage who heard what he said in the torture chamber .  

Edit: I'm on my son's computer so no toolset for me, but Loghain and Alistair may make up yet!

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 octobre 2010 - 05:09 .

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

Worst slides IN game?  Hmmmm, that is among them, seriously, especially if you're a female mage who heard what he said in the torture chamber .  

Edit: I'm on my son's computer so no toolset for me, but Loghain and Alistair may make up yet!

Well, if you assume that his feelings for the PC were what drove him to do those things, I can understand your point. I still disagree that it's an awful epilogue slide for females because it's not like this is the F!Warden's fault.

The slide is equally bad for anyone.

[Annie_Dear]

Did you make Alistair king? It never gets acknowleded if it's Alistair who asks my mage Warden if she/he wants a boon. Which means Irving never talks about it and Cullen never goes insane...

[CalJones]

That might explain why I've not had a problem with it - I always have Anora as queen (with or without Alistair) which means she always asks.

[Ashaman X]

Funny thing, I've never gotten the Cullen slide. I've played both as male and female mage, sided with the mages and asked for the Circle to be freed as my boon. My female even flirted with Cullen, but that slide never appeared. Not too important really, as Cullen isn't all that major a character for me.

[ejoslin]

Antares1987 wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

Did you make Alistair king? It never gets acknowleded if it's Alistair who asks my mage Warden if she/he wants a boon. Which means Irving never talks about it and Cullen never goes insane...

that doesn't make sense whatsoever, it shouldn't matter who's king or queen you still get the option to have mages independance. all I know is that this is a problem that needs to be resolved before DA2 comes if we want our mage's choice to be transferred to the game.

It makes PERFECT sense actually.  Not gameplay wise, but mechanics wise.  I never make Anora solo queen on my city elves, nor side with Loghain, but I need to test my theory now!  It would be very interesting if those slides showed up with Anora as solo queen/married to quit-the-grey-wardens Alistair.

The file in the toolset, cutscene_postcoronation.dlg is hopelessly bugged.  It can't be loaded -- it's corrupted, so I can't double check this.  My guess is, though, someone forgot to set the flags when asking Alistair for the boon, but they're set properly when you ask Anora for the boon.

Hmmmm, with all the problems they had with Awakening imports, I have a feeling they're going to have the same with DA2.  Even if DA2 has everything perfect, there are so many problems with flags in DA.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 octobre 2010 - 06:07 .

[Annie_Dear]

Antares1987 wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

Did you make Alistair king? It never gets acknowleded if it's Alistair who asks my mage Warden if she/he wants a boon. Which means Irving never talks about it and Cullen never goes insane...

that doesn't make sense whatsoever, it shouldn't matter who's king or queen you still get the option to have mages independance. all I know is that this is a problem that needs to be resolved before DA2 comes if we want our mage's choice to be transferred to the game.

I know it doesn't make any sense. It's a bug.

[ejoslin]

Antares1987 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Antares1987 wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

Did you make Alistair king? It never gets acknowleded if it's Alistair who asks my mage Warden if she/he wants a boon. Which means Irving never talks about it and Cullen never goes insane...

that doesn't make sense whatsoever, it shouldn't matter who's king or queen you still get the option to have mages independance. all I know is that this is a problem that needs to be resolved before DA2 comes if we want our mage's choice to be transferred to the game.

It makes PERFECT sense actually.  Not gameplay wise, but mechanics wise.  I never make Anora solo queen on my city elves, nor side with Loghain, but I need to test my theory now!  It would be very interesting if those slides showed up with Anora as solo queen/married to quit-the-grey-wardens Alistair.

The file in the toolset, cutscene_postcoronation.dlg is hopelessly bugged.  It can't be loaded -- it's corrupted, so I can't double check this.  My guess is, though, someone forgot to set the flags when asking Alistair for the boon, but they're set properly when you ask Anora for the boon.

Hmmmm, with all the problems they had with Awakening imports, I have a feeling they're going to have the same with DA2.  Even if DA2 has everything perfect, there are so many problems with flags in DA.

I think have a gameplay theory here. After completing Alistair quest I hardened when I told him that everyone looks after themselves and that you should to. I think maybe you won't get the boon that you ask of him if you harden him because he'll be doing things that are in his own interest now instead of thinking of others. I haven't tested it yet but this is the best thought I had came up with so far.

No, I seriously doubt this.  There is nothing about him being changed as a condition in the epilogue cards.  [edit] I meant to say, there's nothing about him being changed as a condition in the epilogue cards when it comes to boons.  There are conditions about what kind of king he is though that are set to whether he's hardened or not. [end edit] Without being able to look at cutscene_postcoronation, though, I can't say for sure.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 octobre 2010 - 08:33 .

[asaiasai]

Greed1914 wrote...

I think at most, the crown could apply political pressure on the Chantry, but that's about it. The Chantry runs the circle, so it's up to them. In fact, in Awakening, even though I conscripted Anders and King Alistair told the templars that Anders was off limits as a Warden, they still came after him. The templars claimed that they supercede the crown when it comes to mages.

If nothing else, I suspect you'd see a lot of templars still going after mages since that is their purpose.

It is a problem with most religions, they seem to think that thier version of (insert name here) is the one and only true path. I really like this quote from Susan B. Antony "i am wary of people who claim that god has told them what he wants them to do, for so often this seems to coincide with thier own desires". When i mage i always free the circle, and i really do hope that i get the opportunity to not really burn down churches but to muffle or minimize the importance of the Chantry. I would find it difficult to burn churches not because i feel religion has a purpose but because it is something religions have done and will do so, i must make sure i do not act like my adversary or my adversary wins by changing who i am into who they are.

Asai

[LobselVith8]

Antares1987 wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

Did you make Alistair king? It never gets acknowleded if it's Alistair who asks my mage Warden if she/he wants a boon. Which means Irving never talks about it and Cullen never goes insane...

that doesn't make sense whatsoever, it shouldn't matter who's king or queen you still get the option to have mages independance. all I know is that this is a problem that needs to be resolved before DA2 comes if we want our mage's choice to be transferred to the game.

The choice never really happens, in canon. The ruler of Ferelden asks for the Magi boon, and the Chantry turns it down. That's why the templars are still a presence in Awakening and Witch Hunt, the latter story happening years after the end of the Blight (according to the in-game map of Ferelden). Regardless, I still ask the ruler of Ferelden for the Magi boon.

ejoslin wrote...

The city elf ones? I posted them awhile back. Unfortunately, the file that could restore them is not in the toolset so here they are. And if people tell me that "oh, that's not bad..." I swear I'll post some screenies that they WILL think are bad dammit!

According to WH, the Alienage is still in disarray years after the Blight, despite the rest of Denerim being repaired, so it seems that the Denerim Alienage still has some way to go.

[LobselVith8]

Antares1987 wrote...

Doesn't matter whether its canon or not, you should still be able to get the epilogue slide in origins if you ask for the magi's independance but it doesn't show when you do.

Except you don't get an epilogue slide for the Magi boon any more than you do if you become the new Teyrn of Gwaren. And David Gaider has already stated that the Magi boon doesn't happen: the Chantry controls the Circles throughout Thedas and says no to the ruler of Ferelden if the ruler asks for the Circle of Ferelden to be emancipated from the Chantry.

According to head writer of DA:O:

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

Therefore, it doesn't happen. That's why, years after the Blight ended, Witch Hunt presents us with templars still lording over the mages.

[Riona45]

LobselVith8 wrote...
And David Gaider has already stated that the Magi boon doesn't happen: the Chantry controls the Circles throughout Thedas and says no to the ruler of Ferelden if the ruler asks for the Circle of Ferelden to be emancipated from the Chantry.

Not quite...he said the magi boon will be imported into DA2, so it will have some sort of effect.  And from the post you quoted...

David Gaider wrote...It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

[ejoslin]

... except, of course, if the flags are not getting set properly when Alistair grants the boon as opposed to Anora. Which is what may be happening.  There, of course, IS an epilogue slide for mages (an ugh one, but it exists nonetheless) which isn't appearing apparently if Alistair is king and not hating, but is appearing if Anora is sole queen, or if she's married to Alistair and Loghain did the joining.  If I ever play a city elf again, I'll feed Alistair to the arch demon and see if the city elf slides trigger.

Edit: I want to add there are places in the game where I know flags don't get set properly; this particular one I can't verify, but there are plenty of other problems.  That's why there have been issues with both Awakening's and Witch Hunt's imports.

Modifié par ejoslin, 19 octobre 2010 - 11:11 .

[LobselVith8]

Riona45 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
And David Gaider has already stated that the Magi boon doesn't happen: the Chantry controls the Circles throughout Thedas and says no to the ruler of Ferelden if the ruler asks for the Circle of Ferelden to be emancipated from the Chantry.

Not quite...he said the magi boon will be imported into DA2, so it will have some sort of effect.  And from the post you quoted...

The Warden asking for the boon will be imported, but it doesn't change the Chantry's response; Witch Hunt is proof of that.

Riona45 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

And years after the Blight, in Witch Hunt, templars are still running the Circle of Ferelden. The Magi boon is asked for, I agree, but it doesn't happen because the Chantry said no. That's why Anders is still running away from the templars and why Finn was given permission to leave the Circle Tower.

ejoslin wrote...

... except, of course, if the flags are not getting set properly when Alistair grants the boon as opposed to Anora. Which is what may be happening.  There, of course, IS an epilogue slide for mages (an ugh one, but it exists nonetheless) which isn't appearing apparently if Alistair is king and not hating, but is appearing if Anora is sole queen, or if she's married to Alistair and Loghain did the joining.  If I ever play a city elf again, I'll feed Alistair to the arch demon and see if the city elf slides trigger.

Edit: I want to add there are places in the game where I know flags don't get set properly; this particular one I can't verify, but there are plenty of other problems.  That's why there have been issues with both Awakening's and Witch Hunt's imports.

I've done the ending where Loghain survived the Joining and married Alistair with Anora, and I still never saw the ending slide with Cullen; is that the slide you're referencing, or do you mean another slide?

[ejoslin]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
And David Gaider has already stated that the Magi boon doesn't happen: the Chantry controls the Circles throughout Thedas and says no to the ruler of Ferelden if the ruler asks for the Circle of Ferelden to be emancipated from the Chantry.

Not quite...he said the magi boon will be imported into DA2, so it will have some sort of effect.  And from the post you quoted...

The Warden asking for the boon will be imported, but it doesn't change the Chantry's response; Witch Hunt is proof of that.

Riona45 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

And years after the Blight, in Witch Hunt, templars are still running the Circle of Ferelden. The Magi boon is asked for, I agree, but it doesn't happen because the Chantry said no. That's why Anders is still running away from the templars and why Finn was given permission to leave the Circle Tower.

ejoslin wrote...

... except, of course, if the flags are not getting set properly when Alistair grants the boon as opposed to Anora. Which is what may be happening.  There, of course, IS an epilogue slide for mages (an ugh one, but it exists nonetheless) which isn't appearing apparently if Alistair is king and not hating, but is appearing if Anora is sole queen, or if she's married to Alistair and Loghain did the joining.  If I ever play a city elf again, I'll feed Alistair to the arch demon and see if the city elf slides trigger.

Edit: I want to add there are places in the game where I know flags don't get set properly; this particular one I can't verify, but there are plenty of other problems.  That's why there have been issues with both Awakening's and Witch Hunt's imports.

I've done the ending where Loghain survived the Joining and married Alistair with Anora, and I still never saw the ending slide with Cullen; is that the slide you're referencing, or do you mean another slide?

Nope, I mean that one, and I saw it the last time I played a mage.

[Patchwork]

if the PC is Bann of the Alienage: With as their new voice, the elves became prosperous in a way they had never known... enough to draw elves from nearby lands, desperate for real hope. The influx built ire among the human population and eventually resulted in a riot in Denerim, showing that as much as things change, they always stay the same.

I didn't get that! All I got was the usual Further Adventures one and Alistair appointed an elf to his court. Is the Bann slide excluded if you stay on as his consol?

Modifié par Ser Bard, 20 octobre 2010 - 01:59 .