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[LobselVith8]

ejoslin wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I've done the ending where Loghain survived the Joining and married Alistair with Anora, and I still never saw the ending slide with Cullen; is that the slide you're referencing, or do you mean another slide?

Nope, I mean that one, and I saw it the last time I played a mage.

I've never seen it myself, but then again I've never seen the ending with Bella, and last time I didn't get the ending with Kaitlyn. I've read elsewhere that the Epilogue slides are a bit bugged. On the Talk: Epilogue page on the DA Wiki, someone discussed their theory about what brings up the Cullen slide: letting the mages die and then deciding whether or not to give the Circle autonomy.

Antares1987 wrote...

Plus when you talk to Irving he would have acknowledged your boon to free the mages but now he hasn't been doing that and also in one of the epilogue slides if you help Dagna get into the Circle of Magi it would lead mages to Orzammar but when you free the mages it doesn't turn into an Exalted March out of it.

Honestly, I wish that the Magi boon had an impact; I play as an elven mage and I always asked for it, but given the expansion and DLC, it doesn't seem that the Magi boon happens. If it did happen, there would be an alternate scene with Anders in Awakening that had nothing to do with Knight-Commander Rylock chasing him, and Finn wouldn't need their permission to leave the Circle Tower years after the Blight ended.

Ser Bard wrote...

if the PC is Bann of the Alienage: With as their new voice, the elves became prosperous in a way they had never known... enough to draw elves from nearby lands, desperate for real hope. The influx built ire among the human population and eventually resulted in a riot in Denerim, showing that as much as things change, they always stay the same.

I didn't get that! All I got was the usual Further Adventures one and Alistair appointed an elf to his court. Is the Bann slide excluded if you stay on as his consol?

Those epilogue slides are from the toolset, I believe. It doesn't seem that they're supposed to be canon since DA only allows the Warden to accept the position of Bann or ask that Shianni be made Bann instead; US ending has the City Elf's father become Bann by the ruler of Ferelden. There's no option to allow Soris or anyone else Bann of the Alienage.

[EccentricSage]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Much like becoming the new Teyrn of Gwaren, asking for the Ferelden Circle to be given its independence isn't mentioned in the epilogue slides. According to head writer of DA:O:

David Gaider wrote...

It does come up, actually.

Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free."
Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future.

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That is exilent news!  This is a very realistic way to handle it.  I was a bit perplexed at the ability to ask for such things as boons, reguardless of background, as it surely could not be as easy as an order from the King or Queen to grant them.  If there were a 'and they lived hapily ever after' end slide for those boons, it would seem a bit cheap.  Though lack of in-game acnowledgement is equally perplexing.  That these boons in Origins will cause events, both good and bad, in future games, is exactly what I hoped for.

I still wish the Warden's story didn't end with Origins, though.  I was hoping for the Warden to get to be involved in the execution of those declarations, as well as the conflicts that may spring from them.  But I am glad that our choices will effect the world in a real way at least, not just in a slide at the end of a playthrough.

[EccentricSage]

ejoslin wrote...

The Cullen one is unique to the mage boon. The others are not. And I think they're BAD.

It's not so much the apprentices being killed (though that's bad). It's having a maniac on the loose, who's a danger to all mages. Though when you think about it, templars are a danger to all mages anyway.

That is actually extra sad to me, because I liked Cullen in my Mage origins.  Damn.  I am not looking forward to finishing my Mage origins now. 

But I guess it really goes to show how an organization that presents themselves as necasary, good, and holy, can twist a person who was sympathetic and kind into a madman on the edge of snapping.  The events of Broken Circle being what pushes him over of course.

Funny, though... I didn't know Cullen was supposed to be a YOUNG templar.  Someone should have sent that memo to whoever created his face.  He's handsome, yeah... but he looks middle aged!

[Ashaman X]

EccentricSage wrote...

That is actually extra sad to me, because I liked Cullen in my Mage origins.  Damn.  I am not looking forward to finishing my Mage origins now. 

But I guess it really goes to show how an organization that presents themselves as necasary, good, and holy, can twist a person who was sympathetic and kind into a madman on the edge of snapping.  The events of Broken Circle being what pushes him over of course.

Funny, though... I didn't know Cullen was supposed to be a YOUNG templar.  Someone should have sent that memo to whoever created his face.  He's handsome, yeah... but he looks middle aged!

Playing a male mage, Cullen was nice enough, and I think my Daylen and him could have been friendly if not friends. However, with Roxanne, I found his crush kind of cute in the Origin, but seriously creepy when he was imprisoned. It was pretty darn twisted how deep his feelings were.

Roxanne respects the Templars and gets on well with them, but wishes that they would have a better screening process to hopefully avoid people like Cullen again. It's even more sad in Witch Hunt, where some mages gossip about the fact that Cullen still has a thing for Roxanne, despite all the time that's gone by. By this time, she is married to Leliana, so the poor guy would be even more tortured!

[EccentricSage]

Ashaman X wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

That is actually extra sad to me, because I liked Cullen in my Mage origins.  Damn.  I am not looking forward to finishing my Mage origins now. 

But I guess it really goes to show how an organization that presents themselves as necasary, good, and holy, can twist a person who was sympathetic and kind into a madman on the edge of snapping.  The events of Broken Circle being what pushes him over of course.

Funny, though... I didn't know Cullen was supposed to be a YOUNG templar.  Someone should have sent that memo to whoever created his face.  He's handsome, yeah... but he looks middle aged!

Playing a male mage, Cullen was nice enough, and I think my Daylen and him could have been friendly if not friends. However, with Roxanne, I found his crush kind of cute in the Origin, but seriously creepy when he was imprisoned. It was pretty darn twisted how deep his feelings were.

Roxanne respects the Templars and gets on well with them, but wishes that they would have a better screening process to hopefully avoid people like Cullen again. It's even more sad in Witch Hunt, where some mages gossip about the fact that Cullen still has a thing for Roxanne, despite all the time that's gone by. By this time, she is married to Leliana, so the poor guy would be even more tortured!

Gah, I wish there had been some way to get him out of the tower and save his sanity!  I get that his faith is strong, and I bet you that he was probably some orphan or outcast raised by the Chantry, as his views seem very extreem, and I have to wonder if he'd really subject himself to such complete repression if he were not deaply brainwashed.  Ether that or a completely overbearing and inflexible religious family.

It makes sense to me, how insane he becomes.  It must be terrible to be taught that this group of people you must watch over are dangerous, and decended from evil, yet are still people, and to still have very human fealings towards them that he can't act on.  Just showing his face and speeking cassualy with the mages seems way more personal and risky than the behavior of the other Tower Templars.  The rest of the Templars seem anonymous and cold... polite and cordial at best.  The only other Templar of the tower who's face you see is the comander, and he's very cordial but 100% business, not personable.  With Cullen, in the Origin, you really can tell right away that he's got deaply invested emotions towards mages, his duty, and your character... not just business as usual.  That this is used to torment him in broken circle is pretty tragic.  It seems to utterly break him.

[Ashaman X]

Gah, I wish there had been some way to get him out of the tower and save his sanity!  I get that his faith is strong, and I bet you that he was probably some orphan or outcast raised by the Chantry, as his views seem very extreem, and I have to wonder if he'd really subject himself to such complete repression if he were not deaply brainwashed.  Ether that or a completely overbearing and inflexible religious family.

It makes sense to me, how insane he becomes.  It must be terrible to be taught that this group of people you must watch over are dangerous, and decended from evil, yet are still people, and to still have very human fealings towards them that he can't act on.  Just showing his face and speeking cassualy with the mages seems way more personal and risky than the behavior of the other Tower Templars.  The rest of the Templars seem anonymous and cold... polite and cordial at best.  The only other Templar of the tower who's face you see is the comander, and he's very cordial but 100% business, not personable.  With Cullen, in the Origin, you really can tell right away that he's got deaply invested emotions towards mages, his duty, and your character... not just business as usual.  That this is used to torment him in broken circle is pretty tragic.  It seems to utterly break him.

I think that if Cullen wasn't tortured in Broken Circle, he may have continued to be a fairly nice person, and he may even have started to change the views of some of his other Templar brothers. If your Warden was a male mage, he may have continued the friendly connection he seemed to have. However, the problem lies with the female mage. Even if Broken Circle had never happened, Cullen's desire and longing would still have been there. It would have festered and still corrupted him, but in a much slower process.

Cullen sits in a strange position of that if he gives in and has sex with a female mage, he will forever curse himself for his weakness, feel guilty, dirty and so on, which could lead him to becoming really cruel. If he doesn't give in, that longing and desire will never go away and will always nag at his soul. By penning and holding onto those feelings, they become more unrealistic and impossible every day. Either way, Cullen is going to go partially mad. He has a deep faith, but he just wasn't cut out to be a Templar. He would have been better off as a non celibate Brother in the Chantry.

[roundcrow]

My most recent female human mage playthrough got the Cullen slide where he kills the apprentices, I think that was the first time in (cough) times through. Irving acknowledged the boon, though the slides did not.

[Annie_Dear]

Antares1987 wrote...

roundcrow wrote...

My most recent female human mage playthrough got the Cullen slide where he kills the apprentices, I think that was the first time in (cough) times through. Irving acknowledged the boon, though the slides did not.

Have you made Anora queen to rule alone because from what others have said it only works if you had put her on the throne instead of Allistair.

 It only works if it's Anora who gives you the boon. Alistair and Anora can rule togheter, but that means Loghain has to be conscripted into the Gray Wardens, in order to have Anora give you the boon.