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[Archontor]

a mister Dart Wraith stated
"I think the Reapers are already aware of the Dark Energy buildup in stars. I think it's caused by using mass effect fields, and the Reapers are pulling the plug on all galactic civillizations at regular intervals to prevent them from setting off supernovas left and right through ignorance. Remember, "we are your salvation through destruction". "

Thus i think i figured out a theory for the point of the reapers continued invasions they're testing us by giving us the ability to destroy stars with dark energy and then moniter us to see if we do or at least if we endorse it to see if we're worthy of survival because the stars basicaly make up the galaxy and so the reapers are preventing any idiots from permenantly damadging it because they still cant reach the next one and since we've failed the test  when we damadged haestrom's star (which may have happened long before ME 1) they intend to stop us

Harbinger was basicaly just trying to see if he could salvage anything or he just went rogue

yes i know it's a long shot but hey why not

[xbeton0L]

i never finished the game, but it would make sense. after all, every villain has a conspiracy to why they act. and usually a good one.

[Phaedon]

Damnit. I was about to post something like this !



Wrong section though.



[SPOILERS]

Actually, I think that the Reapers plan to save us from a greater threat, probably natural. That's why they upload the minds of species on a Reaper. They may also collect their genetic material so that they can recreate the species when the threat is over. I mean, why would the new Reapers agree to continue the destruction of more spieces ?

[/SPOILERS]

[ArcanistLibram]

I'll keep my bet on "intergalactic booty call".

[Whatever42]

Phaedon wrote...

Damnit. I was about to post something like this !

Wrong section though.

[SPOILERS]
Actually, I think that the Reapers plan to save us from a greater threat, probably natural. That's why they upload the minds of species on a Reaper. They may also collect their genetic material so that they can recreate the species when the threat is over. I mean, why would the new Reapers agree to continue the destruction of more spieces ?
[/SPOILERS]

The new Reapers are not independent. The minds trapped within it are borg-like, under the effects of the indoctrination field created by a master program. My pet theory anyway.

But as far as the "saving us from ourselves" theory - wouldn't it just be simpler to tell us? Or just keep us primitive. Instead, they accelerate our advancement an order of magnitude at least.

No, I don't think the Reapers are saving us for anything. They are simply harvesting our biological evolution and advancement for their own procreation. We are the daddy of their procreative process - they just take a lot more than a little DNA. 

[Archontor]

sorry about the miis post thought   Mass Effect General Discussion (NO SPOILERS ALLOWED ment it was a disscussion about the me universe in general not just the first game

Modifié par Archontor, 13 septembre 2010 - 07:52 .

[Phaedon]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Damnit. I was about to post something like this !

Wrong section though.

[SPOILERS]
Actually, I think that the Reapers plan to save us from a greater threat, probably natural. That's why they upload the minds of species on a Reaper. They may also collect their genetic material so that they can recreate the species when the threat is over. I mean, why would the new Reapers agree to continue the destruction of more spieces ?
[/SPOILERS]

The new Reapers are not independent. The minds trapped within it are borg-like, under the effects of the indoctrination field created by a master program. My pet theory anyway.

But as far as the "saving us from ourselves" theory - wouldn't it just be simpler to tell us? Or just keep us primitive. Instead, they accelerate our advancement an order of magnitude at least.

No, I don't think the Reapers are saving us for anything. They are simply harvesting our biological evolution and advancement for their own procreation. We are the daddy of their procreative process - they just take a lot more than a little DNA. 

Well, it's beyond our comprehension according to them.

[Archontor]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Damnit. I was about to post something like this !

Wrong section though.

[SPOILERS]
Actually, I think that the Reapers plan to save us from a greater threat, probably natural. That's why they upload the minds of species on a Reaper. They may also collect their genetic material so that they can recreate the species when the threat is over. I mean, why would the new Reapers agree to continue the destruction of more spieces ?
[/SPOILERS]

The new Reapers are not independent. The minds trapped within it are borg-like, under the effects of the indoctrination field created by a master program. My pet theory anyway.

But as far as the "saving us from ourselves" theory - wouldn't it just be simpler to tell us? Or just keep us primitive. Instead, they accelerate our advancement an order of magnitude at least.

No, I don't think the Reapers are saving us for anything. They are simply harvesting our biological evolution and advancement for their own procreation. We are the daddy of their procreative process - they just take a lot more than a little DNA. 

well it's possible that if we  have to figure it out on our own to prove we are responsible or maybe it's because they're big stupid cuttlefish!

[xbeton0L]

Phaedon wrote...
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Actually, I think that the Reapers plan to save us from a greater threat, probably natural. That's why they upload the minds of species on a Reaper. They may also collect their genetic material so that they can recreate the species when the threat is over. I mean, why would the new Reapers agree to continue the destruction of more spieces ?

Actually, I agree with this. Besides looking at this from the human/other species perspective - why would a more advanced civilization wreak havoc for a pointless cause? Maybe on a long shot they were doing something to help us, but beyond something they knew civilization wouldn't be capable of understanding.

Why else invest so much in collecting genetic material? isn't that harmonious with the story of the Ark? maybe the threat is so severe, their own existence is threatened. maybe thats why there's this urgency to save themselves (and what's left of the good of the galaxy), that we perceive to be a threat. 

I think this is one of those Pandora moments, when the intentions of the villains aren't as bad as the officials make them seem.

[Mecha Tengu]

Phaedon wrote...

Damnit. I was about to post something like this !

Wrong section though.

[SPOILERS]
Actually, I think that the Reapers plan to save us from a greater threat, probably natural. That's why they upload the minds of species on a Reaper. They may also collect their genetic material so that they can recreate the species when the threat is over. I mean, why would the new Reapers agree to continue the destruction of more spieces ?
[/SPOILERS]

yea my theory too. we are all the greatest bio-weapons created by the reapers to fight one the largest threats in the universe. Our number one trait is our ability to evolve and adapt.

The reapers for now provoke war to force the galaxy to improve its technologies and keep advancing.

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:06 .

[xbeton0L]

what if there's really an advanced civilization that created us... hmm?

[Annihilator27]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Damnit. I was about to post something like this !

Wrong section though.

[SPOILERS]
Actually, I think that the Reapers plan to save us from a greater threat, probably natural. That's why they upload the minds of species on a Reaper. They may also collect their genetic material so that they can recreate the species when the threat is over. I mean, why would the new Reapers agree to continue the destruction of more spieces ?
[/SPOILERS]

yea my theory too. we are all the greatest bio-weapons created by the reapers to fight one the largest threats in the universe. Our number one trait is our ability to evolve and adapt.

The reapers for now provoke war to force the galaxy to improve its technologies and keep advancing.

That would be Insane. Even the current Reaperfleet isnt strong enough. I guess they would have ancient evol to fight themselves lol.

[wepeel_]

All explanations here seem extremely unlikely. Supernovas going off in the milky way (especially at the rate of a lone star here and there) shouldn't bother the reapers in the least. They aren't even in the galaxy. If it did bother them, a race with that kind of resources should be able to come up with a better, more educating solution than butchering everyone for "not being worthy".



Besides, assuming there is a correlation between mass effect fields and dark energy buildup in stars, consider the mass effect fields created by the mass relays, which were created by the reapers to begin with.



That the reapers' mass exterminations are actually attempts to save other species from a "greater threat" is equally unlikely - if their methods aren't evidence of that, consider that they've been around for more than 30 million years. Clearly whatever they're trying to save us from doesn't seem to happen often enough to warrant a 50,000-year eradication cycle.

[xbeton0L]

wepeel_ wrote...


All explanations here seem extremely unlikely. Supernovas going off in the milky way (especially at the rate of a lone star here and there) shouldn't bother the reapers in the least. They aren't even in the galaxy. If it did bother them, a race with that kind of resources should be able to come up with a better, more educating solution than butchering everyone for "not being worthy".

Besides, assuming there is a correlation between mass effect fields and dark energy buildup in stars, consider the mass effect fields created by the mass relays, which were created by the reapers to begin with.

That the reapers' mass exterminations are actually attempts to save other species from a "greater threat" is equally unlikely - if their methods aren't evidence of that, consider that they've been around for more than 30 million years. Clearly whatever they're trying to save us from doesn't seem to happen often enough to warrant a 50,000-year eradication cycle.

actually, when you think about it... the whole evil mind agenda is kind of primitive. perhaps if they had a valid reason behind what they do besides the obvious, maybe the writes at Bioware could have more to pull from - than just "lets play shoot the bad man!". Like Pandora, "lets play fight the power!"

when the bad guys turn out not to be so bad, and kind of "right" in their own sense, things get real delicious.

[Annihilator27]

xbeton0L wrote...

wepeel_ wrote...


All explanations here seem extremely unlikely. Supernovas going off in the milky way (especially at the rate of a lone star here and there) shouldn't bother the reapers in the least. They aren't even in the galaxy. If it did bother them, a race with that kind of resources should be able to come up with a better, more educating solution than butchering everyone for "not being worthy".

Besides, assuming there is a correlation between mass effect fields and dark energy buildup in stars, consider the mass effect fields created by the mass relays, which were created by the reapers to begin with.

That the reapers' mass exterminations are actually attempts to save other species from a "greater threat" is equally unlikely - if their methods aren't evidence of that, consider that they've been around for more than 30 million years. Clearly whatever they're trying to save us from doesn't seem to happen often enough to warrant a 50,000-year eradication cycle.

actually, when you think about it... the whole evil mind agenda is kind of primitive. perhaps if they had a valid reason behind what they do besides the obvious, maybe the writes at Bioware could have more to pull from - than just "lets play shoot the bad man!". Like Pandora, "lets play fight the power!"

when the bad guys turn out not to be so bad, and kind of "right" in their own sense, things get real delicious.

Max paragon check save the Reapers.

[Archontor]

wepeel_ wrote...


All explanations here seem extremely unlikely. Supernovas going off in the milky way (especially at the rate of a lone star here and there) shouldn't bother the reapers in the least. They aren't even in the galaxy. If it did bother them, a race with that kind of resources should be able to come up with a better, more educating solution than butchering everyone for "not being worthy".

Besides, assuming there is a correlation between mass effect fields and dark energy buildup in stars, consider the mass effect fields created by the mass relays, which were created by the reapers to begin with.

That the reapers' mass exterminations are actually attempts to save other species from a "greater threat" is equally unlikely - if their methods aren't evidence of that, consider that they've been around for more than 30 million years. Clearly whatever they're trying to save us from doesn't seem to happen often enough to warrant a 50,000-year eradication cycle.

yor right the idea of one or two stars dos'nt worry them but the fact that people are willing to destroy such prescious resources is more of a psychological threat that or if we were to stretch further than 1percent of the galaxy then we might prove to be more of a threat and so this whole system is basicaly just preventative meassures after all if it is the galaxy you litterally cannot be too careful

[wepeel_]

Archontor wrote...

wepeel_ wrote...


All explanations here seem extremely unlikely. Supernovas going off in the milky way (especially at the rate of a lone star here and there) shouldn't bother the reapers in the least. They aren't even in the galaxy. If it did bother them, a race with that kind of resources should be able to come up with a better, more educating solution than butchering everyone for "not being worthy".

Besides, assuming there is a correlation between mass effect fields and dark energy buildup in stars, consider the mass effect fields created by the mass relays, which were created by the reapers to begin with.

That the reapers' mass exterminations are actually attempts to save other species from a "greater threat" is equally unlikely - if their methods aren't evidence of that, consider that they've been around for more than 30 million years. Clearly whatever they're trying to save us from doesn't seem to happen often enough to warrant a 50,000-year eradication cycle.

yor right the idea of one or two stars dos'nt worry them but the fact that people are willing to destroy such prescious resources is more of a psychological threat that or if we were to stretch further than 1percent of the galaxy then we might prove to be more of a threat and so this whole system is basicaly just preventative meassures after all if it is the galaxy you litterally cannot be too careful

It still makes little sense though. As you may know, the reapers attempted to start their assault before the events in ME1, which was well before anyone was aware of a star going bad - and even when the quarians discovered this in ME2, it was uncertain what caused it. So you can't say there has been a willingness to destroy stars in that manner, and the usage of mass effect fields certainly hasn't been with such an intention.

[Archontor]

wepeel_ wrote...

Archontor wrote...

wepeel_ wrote...


All explanations here seem extremely unlikely. Supernovas going off in the milky way (especially at the rate of a lone star here and there) shouldn't bother the reapers in the least. They aren't even in the galaxy. If it did bother them, a race with that kind of resources should be able to come up with a better, more educating solution than butchering everyone for "not being worthy".

Besides, assuming there is a correlation between mass effect fields and dark energy buildup in stars, consider the mass effect fields created by the mass relays, which were created by the reapers to begin with.

That the reapers' mass exterminations are actually attempts to save other species from a "greater threat" is equally unlikely - if their methods aren't evidence of that, consider that they've been around for more than 30 million years. Clearly whatever they're trying to save us from doesn't seem to happen often enough to warrant a 50,000-year eradication cycle.

yor right the idea of one or two stars dos'nt worry them but the fact that people are willing to destroy such prescious resources is more of a psychological threat that or if we were to stretch further than 1percent of the galaxy then we might prove to be more of a threat and so this whole system is basicaly just preventative meassures after all if it is the galaxy you litterally cannot be too careful

It still makes little sense though. As you may know, the reapers attempted to start their assault before the events in ME1, which was well before anyone was aware of a star going bad - and even when the quarians discovered this in ME2, it was uncertain what caused it. So you can't say there has been a willingness to destroy stars in that manner, and the usage of mass effect fields certainly hasn't been with such an intention.

ive read the prequal novel and the only mention of any reapers is sovereign right at the end also just because we dont know what caused it does'nt mean someone did'nt cause it

[evengill]

Lots of interesting theories here:)... Personally I think that the sentient species that emerge every 50.000 years are just part of their life cycle. They need the new genetic material they harvest to "procreate". They are like digger wasps, or a farmer with a field.
It would be very interesting to know how they originated, where they a synthetic species (like the Geth), or are they the evolved and cyber-modified result of an earlier species? Since they basically force technological development to conform to their needs by "planting" the mass effect gates, they are also able to immediately utilize any new technological improvements that might have surfaced. This might also be their weakness, if there are technology based on different principles that can be located, maybe a weapon can be found to beat them?

Modifié par evengill, 14 septembre 2010 - 06:47 .

[silhouette80]

This is totally speculative on my part so here's what I think. Let's say at some point in the very distant past there was an advanced species (proto-Reapers) which discovered ways to utilize dark energy. Their ultimate creation is the mass relay, and over the course of hundreds or thousands of years they begin to pepper the galaxy with these things. All is going well until one day they realize that using the mass relays will at some point in the distant future destroy the galaxy because of the buildup of dark energy. So what are their options?



Can they destroy a mass relay? As far as we know, they can't be destroyed (remember the Mu relay withstanding a supernova blast). But what if they can be destroyed, but the consequence would be catastrophic chain reaction that would destroy the galaxy instantly. So, proto-Reapers begin the process of technological singularity (ie reaperhood) by becoming immortal vessels, literally. As machines, they deduce that to save future civilizations from the impending doom of the galaxy they should be remade in their image, thereby saving the "cream of the crop" of sentience.



Anyways, that's just one theory of what might be going on.

[Archontor]

silhouette80 wrote...

This is totally speculative on my part so here's what I think. Let's say at some point in the very distant past there was an advanced species (proto-Reapers) which discovered ways to utilize dark energy. Their ultimate creation is the mass relay, and over the course of hundreds or thousands of years they begin to pepper the galaxy with these things. All is going well until one day they realize that using the mass relays will at some point in the distant future destroy the galaxy because of the buildup of dark energy. So what are their options?

Can they destroy a mass relay? As far as we know, they can't be destroyed (remember the Mu relay withstanding a supernova blast). But what if they can be destroyed, but the consequence would be catastrophic chain reaction that would destroy the galaxy instantly. So, proto-Reapers begin the process of technological singularity (ie reaperhood) by becoming immortal vessels, literally. As machines, they deduce that to save future civilizations from the impending doom of the galaxy they should be remade in their image, thereby saving the "cream of the crop" of sentience.

Anyways, that's just one theory of what might be going on.

what you said made me realise a supernova is an explosion caused by a star aging ,the mu relay was presumably orbiting a star before the explosion kinda like haestrom ,just a coincedence?

BTW i like the ideas alot of you guys are coming up with keep it going

Modifié par Archontor, 14 septembre 2010 - 07:28 .

[Phaedon]

Haestrom is obviously gonna play a huge part in ME3. Stars don't age that quickly naturally.

[Lvl20DM]

Given the theme of transhumanism in ME, I'm guessing that the Reapers seek to elevate a species to immortality. It could be a form of procreation, or it could be a desire to "save" organics from a fleeting, doomed existence. I'm positive that the original Reapers were a squid-like species that sought immortality through becoming machines. I'm curious if the "angels of light" only briefly mentioned in ME 1 (in a planet scan, no less) represent another form of transcendant beings.

[Flamesz]

Perhaps there is some great war going on outside of our galaxy, somewhere in Dark Space or another Galaxy which has been going on for years, so they are protecting us by harvesting us to make new Reapers to replace the old ones.



I dunno, no one is going to be sure till ME3 comes out which won't be till late 2011 or early 2012 i think.

[wepeel_]

Archontor wrote...

wepeel_ wrote...

Archontor wrote...

wepeel_ wrote...


All explanations here seem extremely unlikely. Supernovas going off in the milky way (especially at the rate of a lone star here and there) shouldn't bother the reapers in the least. They aren't even in the galaxy. If it did bother them, a race with that kind of resources should be able to come up with a better, more educating solution than butchering everyone for "not being worthy".

Besides, assuming there is a correlation between mass effect fields and dark energy buildup in stars, consider the mass effect fields created by the mass relays, which were created by the reapers to begin with.

That the reapers' mass exterminations are actually attempts to save other species from a "greater threat" is equally unlikely - if their methods aren't evidence of that, consider that they've been around for more than 30 million years. Clearly whatever they're trying to save us from doesn't seem to happen often enough to warrant a 50,000-year eradication cycle.

yor right the idea of one or two stars dos'nt worry them but the fact that people are willing to destroy such prescious resources is more of a psychological threat that or if we were to stretch further than 1percent of the galaxy then we might prove to be more of a threat and so this whole system is basicaly just preventative meassures after all if it is the galaxy you litterally cannot be too careful

It still makes little sense though. As you may know, the reapers attempted to start their assault before the events in ME1, which was well before anyone was aware of a star going bad - and even when the quarians discovered this in ME2, it was uncertain what caused it. So you can't say there has been a willingness to destroy stars in that manner, and the usage of mass effect fields certainly hasn't been with such an intention.

ive read the prequal novel and the only mention of any reapers is sovereign right at the end also just because we dont know what caused it does'nt mean someone did'nt cause it

The point is that if the beings in the galaxy aren't aware that using mass effect field has that kind of effect, they can hardly be held accountable for it - especially when the reapers have left them a communication system completely dependant on the mass effect itself.

*Spoilers*

As for the reapers, the reason Sovereign bothered with controlling Dr Qian and Saren - a process which took around 20 years - was that it due to the actions of the protheans couldn't enable the citadel the usual way to bring the reaper fleet in - if that had been possible, the extinction event would have started well ahead of the events in ME1. That means the reapers would have eradicated all advanced life in the galaxy before anyone alive there figured out anything odd was happening to the stars, which means your theory is not correct.