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[kraidy1117]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

The question is: Why should BioWare remove a character they know is successful and that many people like her?

Because they may think she can't go any further in terms of story and don't want her

Because they may think the possibility of her dying is too much trouble to re add her

Lots of reason why they wouldn't

Real question is would you reall boycott ME3 for the reason of Tali no being a squaddy

Mind you, this could be said of ANY ME2 squadmember. Restricting it to Tali is unfair.

Could you boycott it if it was just Tali?

No.

But why would you remove Tali, who has time and again proven to be a popular character, and no one else? If she's getting removed, I'd have to assume most, if not all of the rest of the team is too.

And THAT would ****** people off.

You spend all of two getting this team set up... and... for what?

To toss it to the side.

I don't think Bioware would do that.

If Tali is so popular, then why in the latest survey Liara beat her? She is not as popular as you think because majority of the Tali fans will jump onto the next big thing while the minor fans who do like her for her character will stay with her.

Bioware already pissed people off when they made Wrex, Liara, Ash and Kai non squadmates and LotSB has proven that Liara, the person who can not die WILL not be back. They are not bringing back one LI, thus they can't bring back the others in form of a squadmate, thus Tali will get a cameo. You will also buy the game too just like everyone else did with ME2 when it was anonunced Liara,Ash and Kai where not squadmates.

[LordPennlocke]

Collider wrote...

LordPennlocke wrote...

Regardless if she had hair or not, Bioware counted on the fanbase to fall in love with her personality and air of mystery regarding her looks, of which I am a part of. If they do decide to show what she looks like in ME3, I'd be happy, if not then oh well. That's part of her allure, not knowing what she looks like and using imagination. If looks are more your thing, then there are other LIs that can fulfill that.

*Possibly the fastest I've seen a volatile debate on the internet defused.

To some. I never found mysteriousness as being part of her character (nor was the fact that we can't see her face appealing to me) It's part of TIM's character, mysteriousness, but not Tali's. In my opinion.

To each their own, that's what it means to be a fan of something or someone. As I said, it won't matter to me regardless =)

[Mystranna Kelteel]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
The splitting of their race is not exactly "little."

You're assuming that the "split" is permanent. People panic sometimes. What happens in ME2 when you reveal what Rael was doing by no means implies the quarians' destruction, not by a long shot.

I'd say they need to deal with this. They need to get their people unified or they're doomed either way. Covering up war crimes and pretending the schism in their beliefs doesn't exist will help nobody, and once the admiralty board makes a decision the quarians are going to split up anyways.

[RiptideX1090]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...


What are you talking about? Hiring a new cast that is consistent for every single player is far, far more cost effective then using the ME1 and ME2 squad actors AND hiring new people, especially when you consider how not everyone will have access to those dialogues.

They have to bring back some people, so it's best to relegate them to smaller roles so as not to waste money on content that not everyone will experience.

They have to bring back Tali, Garrus, and all the other squadmates regardless.

They have to pay for those sessions in the booth.

now why do that, ON TOP of new squadmates, when you could cut out the new squadmates, use the old ones, and save yourself the hassle of bringing in new actors you don't need, as well as paying for MORE sessions, contracts, when you could just do with what you have?

Sure, some poeple will miss content. But that was ALWAYS the case.

It's not like they need to record for loyalty missions anymore.

Your way costs more.

[NuclearBuddha]

Spartanburger wrote...
After lurking on /v/ for... some... time during the ME general thread epidemic. I found this image that kind of fits that.

Except it's got no nose.  And Tali does.

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As a sidenote, ME's success lay in its well-written characters, not its well-written story. The story was just slightly-above average sci-fi. The characters, on the other hand, have reached the level of dimensionality that was once achieved only in the movies and books.

At any rate, Tali is coming back, but in what form and in what role? We don't know.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

People think squadmate means romance, it does not. Look at Liara. She was not a squadmate and her romance was continued to the point where it is by far the deepest romance in the whole series now. They can do that for Tali and the other characters. If you want to see her in ME3, then make sure she survives, but she won't be a squadmate like any of the other characters.

Once again, people are assuming things.

Collider, Liara, the only person who can not die is now the new SB, thus she is a major character in ME3 and will not be a squadmate, she says she won't be fighitng at your side but can't wait to have you back. That right there proves none of the ME2 LI and Ash and Kai will be back as squadmates, they will get cameos. Plus Chud said ME3 will be a stand alone game. You can not make a stand laone game with a squad that consist of old characters that could die in ME2. It's counter productive.

[NuclearBuddha]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
You're assuming that the "split" is permanent. People panic sometimes. What happens in ME2 when you reveal what Rael was doing by no means implies the quarians' destruction, not by a long shot.

I'd say they need to deal with this. They need to get their people unified or they're doomed either way. Covering up war crimes and pretending the schism in their beliefs doesn't exist will help nobody, and once the admiralty board makes a decision the quarians are going to split up anyways.

It's the first split we know of on a large scale in 300 years.  Seems pretty serious.

Or you could just ignore it and go straight to the unity they've already got. 

The way you're presenting this kinda makes it feel like you're not debating in good faith.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
It is stated that it would break her people apart. I'm not assuming. Breaking society's most sacred law? Withholding evidence? People do it all the time. The entire trial was a sham for the war effort anyway. It had nothing to do with her.

Something that is "stated" is not always a fact.

Yes, the trial was a sham for the war effort. Know why that is? Because the quarians are deeply, deeply divided and one of their most well-respected people got an entire ship full of people slaughtered by breaking laws that Tali herself says are "sacred" to her people.

Hiding the evidence is extremely irresponsible, and all it does is put a band-aid over a broken bone.

[RiptideX1090]

*Sigh*



You know?



I think I'd have prefered this place stay locked.



Unless the hostility kicks down a few notches, I won't be around.

[XX55XX]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
If Tali is so popular, then why in the latest survey Liara beat her? She is not as popular as you think because majority of the Tali fans will jump onto the next big thing while the minor fans who do like her for her character will stay with her.

Kasumi had popularity at one point too for about a month. Now look.
Surveys mean nothing. Dollar signs do.

Surveys reflect the mood of the times, but for BioWare's purposes, yes, they do mean nothing. It's really for the survey-designer and the community's benefit.

And Kasumi still has a higher average than Tali, as this point in writing...

[Collider]

Collider, Liara, the only person who can not die is now the new SB, thus she is a major character in ME3 and will not be a squadmate, she says she won't be fighitng at your side but can't wait to have you back. That right there proves none of the ME2 LI and Ash and Kai will be back as squadmates, they will get cameos. Plus Chud said ME3 will be a stand alone game. You can not make a stand laone game with a squad that consist of old characters that could die in ME2. It's counter productive.

That's very flawed logic Kraidy. Once again, you are assuming things.

[kraidy1117]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
If Tali is so popular, then why in the latest survey Liara beat her? She is not as popular as you think because majority of the Tali fans will jump onto the next big thing while the minor fans who do like her for her character will stay with her.

Kasumi had popularity at one point too for about a month. Now look.
Surveys mean nothing. Dollar signs do.

Eithewr does Tali's popularity, isnce her popularity dropped when LotSB came out. Tali will get a cameo and if people won't buy a game because one character will not be a squadmate, that is just poor. You had two full games with her, a cameo in the last game is not going to hurt you.

[Spartanburger]

phonypapercut wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...


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If that wasn't ruled out by what you can see through the mask, I'd totally support it.

I understand, but its still an interesting concept. As I said/implied, I think it would be a better concept for a female Turian than a Quarian.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
They have to bring back Tali, Garrus, and all the other squadmates regardless.

They have to pay for those sessions in the booth.

now why do that, ON TOP of new squadmates, when you could cut out the new squadmates, use the old ones, and save yourself the hassle of bringing in new actors you don't need, as well as paying for MORE sessions, contracts, when you could just do with what you have?

Sure, some poeple will miss content. But that was ALWAYS the case.

It's not like they need to record for loyalty missions anymore.

Your way costs more.

Common sense, dude, that's why you don't bring them back as squadmates. Squadmates are one of the most resource-heavy parts of these games. David Gaider said so regarding DA:A.

So, I ask you, how is it cost efficient to spend so many resources on a squadmate if that squadmate is not available for everyone? It isn't.

Yes, Garrus and Tali and (most of) the rest have to come back. That's why it's best to make them small cameos. That way you lose very little in terms of content that's not available to everyone. New squaddies guarantee that everyone has the same squad, and that all the important plot elements are the same and not spread out over 16 people who could be alive or dead.

[XX55XX]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
If Tali is so popular, then why in the latest survey Liara beat her? She is not as popular as you think because majority of the Tali fans will jump onto the next big thing while the minor fans who do like her for her character will stay with her.

Kasumi had popularity at one point too for about a month. Now look.
Surveys mean nothing. Dollar signs do.

Eithewr does Tali's popularity, isnce her popularity dropped when LotSB came out. Tali will get a cameo and if people won't buy a game because one character will not be a squadmate, that is just poor. You had two full games with her, a cameo in the last game is not going to hurt you.

Now, now, let's not jump into conclusions here. Tali will have a role in ME3. But what role will that be? It is unknown at this point.

And just because they wrote the narrative for one character a certain way doesn't mean that they will apply that method to writing every character's narrative.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

Collider, Liara, the only person who can not die is now the new SB, thus she is a major character in ME3 and will not be a squadmate, she says she won't be fighitng at your side but can't wait to have you back. That right there proves none of the ME2 LI and Ash and Kai will be back as squadmates, they will get cameos. Plus Chud said ME3 will be a stand alone game. You can not make a stand laone game with a squad that consist of old characters that could die in ME2. It's counter productive.

That's very flawed logic Kraidy. Once again, you are assuming things.

How is it flawed? Liara out right tells you she won't be fighting beside you when the Reapers come. She will not be a squadmate, if Liara is not a squadmate, what makes you think Tali will be one? Tali's popularity means nothing when it comes to money. If they wnated Tali and the ME2 characters to be important and be in ME3, they would not have been able to die. They can die. Expect what happen to Wrex to happen with Tali.

[Someone With Mass]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Eithewr does Tali's popularity, isnce her popularity dropped when LotSB came out. Tali will get a cameo and if people won't buy a game because one character will not be a squadmate, that is just poor. You had two full games with her, a cameo in the last game is not going to hurt you.

Again. There's no legitimate reason to do so.

Jesus, some people on this forum are narrow minded....

[NuclearBuddha]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Eithewr does Tali's popularity, isnce her popularity dropped when LotSB came out. Tali will get a cameo and if people won't buy a game because one character will not be a squadmate, that is just poor. You had two full games with her, a cameo in the last game is not going to hurt you.

There's no reason to be like this unless you're just trying to be jerky.  Lair of the Shadow Broker has suggested that BW is committed to bringing back the characters we care about and giving them the treatment they deserve.  Tali and the entire team included.  It's unfortunate you feel the need to goad others about this.

[Mazder]

All this is moot anyway, the only ones who can tell us is the developers and they are not going to give anything away until much nearer the time, but i have to say that i think the ME1 love interests will be cameos in the big final battle, along with anderson and the council, the current team will already be there (maybe not Thane as well his disease may cause him to die beforehand) and that way everyone will be in it...problem solved...

[Mystranna Kelteel]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
It's the first split we know of on a large scale in 300 years.  Seems pretty serious.

Or you could just ignore it and go straight to the unity they've already got. 

The way you're presenting this kinda makes it feel like you're not debating in good faith.

It's also the first instance we know of of a quarian breaking the law and reassembling a geth, which in turn leads to the slaughter of an entire ship.

That was the spark that lit powder keg's fuse here. Hiding Rael's treason may stall the fuse, but it's going to blow up sooner or later. Better it happen when the quarians aren't directly entangled in a skirmish.