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[camoboy_19]

mrsph wrote...

kglaser wrote...

I can't pick. I love Tali AND Legion. I hope I don't get punched for saying that. But having the two of them around is just far too interesting, possibility-wise. Think of the subplots and dialog that could result. A good story is nothing without appropriate amounts of conflict.

I also feel this way. I love Tali and Legion and the conflict between those two could shape up to be the most awesome interactions in the game.

 As long as no one gets hurt... except Xen.. I hope she gets hurt... A lot...

[DAT BOSH]

I am most excited for the quarian/geth conflict in ME3 and MOAR Tali

[TheodoricFriede]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...
Nothing wrong with peace. Theres plenty of geth ships, I dont like Reapers, they dont like reapers, seems perfect

The enemy of your enemy is only your friend so long as the enemy persists.

What if the so called "enemy" wasn't your enemy to
begin with? The true geth clearly arn’t hostile to organic races, if anything
they just want to be left alone.

To me the relationship between Tali and Legion is quite
clear. If you're paragon, they'll respect and maybe even start to like each
other. Leading to peace between quarian and geth.

If you’re renegade, they hate each other. Leading to the
destruction of the quarians or re-subjugation of the geth.

If you’re neutral, you’re playing the game wrong.

[Volrath937]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

What if the so called "enemy" wasn't your enemy to
begin with? The true geth clearly arn’t hostile to organic races, if anything
they just want to be left alone.

To me the relationship between Tali and Legion is quite
clear. If you're paragon, they'll respect and maybe even start to like each
other. Leading to peace between quarian and geth.

If you’re renegade, they hate each other. Leading to the
destruction of the quarians or re-subjugation of the geth.

If you’re neutral, you’re playing the game wrong.

Well, given the nature of the geth network, the "true" geth are at least indirectly responsible for everything the Heretics did.

I think the geth/quarian conflict resolution would be best saved for after the Reaper's are defeated. This would force the organics to work with the geth out of necessity over the course of the game, creating tension that Shepard could either add to or diffuse. It'd make the "big choice" we'll inevitably get to make more meaningful if we've directly influenced it during the entirety of ME3, as opposed to just doing a single big quest  at the beginning of the game with a charm/intimidate check at the end. 

Tali's going to be a big part of this, but to what degree I'm not sure. Her being charmed into accepting Legion is only really a factor if she wasn't exiled and you didn't hand in the evidence. Otherwise her (and her families) reputation means nothing to the quarians. That could lead to some interesting outcomes though:
Paragon & non-exiled = Peace
Paragon & evidence handed in = Xen's Virus
Paragon & exiled = War
Renegade & non-exiled =  Modified Virus
Renegade & evidence handed in = Xen's Virus
Renegade & exiled = War

[TheodoricFriede]

Volrath

I don't see it that way, its too many outcomes for one conflict. I think that it will be as simple as leading the two races to peace or war in ME3. However its set up I can only see 3 outcomes.

Paragon: Peace. Both races reintegrate into society in some way.

Renegade 1: War. Geth destroy quarians. Geth are too powerful for the quarians to win against in a war. If you support war, it will lead to quarian extinction, as well as animosity from geth toward organics. Basically the FailShepard path.

Renegade 2: Re-subjugating the geth through a virus. Quarians will rule the geth once again, but at the cost of hatred from every race in the galaxy.

[Shadowomega23]

Actually I think Volrath937 is on the right path of logic there, even for game implamentation. There are many other games out there that have far more ending possiblites then what he has mentioned. Infact one recent game was DoW2 Chaos Rising which had multitude of ending depending on your corruption level and who you killed in the campaign, and this was an RTS title. I kind of hope that BW makes this into a DLC for ME2 to provided some insite into if the Quarian/Geth support against the reapers.

[TheodoricFriede]

The difference between the two is that the multiple endings for Chaos Rising are all based on the decisions made in one game. Mass Effects are over the course of 2 or 3 and therefor it would be harder to implement several different endings.

Anyway as much as I'm enjoying this debate, its probably not Tali themed enough to be on topic. I suggest we stop now. Or start a new thread or something.

[NuclearBuddha]

mrsph wrote...
Tali was such a sweetheart in Mass Effect and it makes me feel kind of sad that isn't as much of an idealist in Mass Effect 2 and has started to accept her people's fate

Welcome to growing older.

[Shadowomega23]

Actually ME3 could be considered a Stand Alone expansion pack TheodoricFriede. As Bioware stateted their focused more on Story then Game play this time around. All that needs to be done is Flagged even transfers that work, or simply a DLC for ME2 with story covering the Quarian/Geth conflict. The only real problem is getting the Voice actors back to reprise their roles. That or while having them speak their lines for ME3 have them do some extra lines for any DLCs in the works.

[Doommarine23]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
Tali is slowly becoming an old biddy.
Like me.

It's called maturing. And I'm glad she has a realer outlook on things. It makes her character more down to earth, so to speak.

I also find it to make her much more adorable.

[LordPennlocke]

Doommarine23 wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
Tali is slowly becoming an old biddy.
Like me.

It's called maturing. And I'm glad she has a realer outlook on things. It makes her character more down to earth, so to speak.

I also find it to make her much more adorable.

With maturity comes knowledge, with knowledge comes more ways to 'love' Shepard. She became less idealistic after Shepard's death. We take for granted what we have until it's lost, so to speak. The losses of both of her teams also changed her personality. ..."If the admirals have a problem with it, they can go to hell." When I first saw that I was like, "O.o Looks like my little Tali has grown up." She wasn't as innocent from then on. XD A girl who you think is timid, but can be suddenly assertive is sexy. Made Tali even more endearing.

[SirEmilCrane]

Good to see this place isn't nuked



Anyway, I kind of miss idealistic Tali in some ways.I think you can be mature and idealistic at the same time but I can see where she's coming from.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, I guess that happens when you realize that the rest of the galaxy isn't exactly the kind of sunshine and rainbows you thought it was.

[Nilfalasiel]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

Yeah, I was a bit confused the first time I played ME2 and she had nothing to say about Legion. I was wondering if I needed to have her on the Reaper mission or something. 

She argues against bringing Legion back with you if you take her on that mission.

Yeah, but so does Garrus, for example. I'm sure other squaddies object as well (eg. Miranda, who also objects on the ship afterwards). I really think Tali should've had more specific dialogue with Legion. Yes, her LM is very different if you bring it along, but I was very disappointed not to see any unique dialogue when I brought her on its LM. If anything, that's the mission that would've given her perspective on geth and made her more amenable to giving it some info to send afterwards. I always bring her along anyway, from a purely RP perspective, but it would've been great to see more interaction between them, considering the importance of the geth/quarian conflict in the ME-verse as a whole.

Tali/Legion, however, even if it was semi-serious...wut?  It's not even an individual...not to mention that it's genderless and emotionless. The only way I can imagine it being used in that context is if it has a, uh...vibration function (don't worry, it's just a devArt comic, nothing outrageous). As a complement to that Deluxe Nerve Stim.

Actually, nvm. I don't think I want to imagine that.

I also like that Tali "grew up" in between the two games. Idealism is all well and good, but when reality turns out to be less than ideal, it's good to see her own up to it. Shows that she's able to evolve.

To go back a bit on the accents, it is also perfectly possible that the various actors were simply unable to replicate Sroka's accent. But none of them has a French accent, that's for certain (*points at Leliana* that's a real French accent). Rael didn't strike me as sounding German either, but then again, we never heard him in person. Tali's accent itself sounds like an odd mix between something Eastern European (without being proper Russian) and Middle-Eastern.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:45 .

[Volrath937]

Tali's accent itself sounds like an odd mix between something Eastern European (without being proper Russian) and Middle-Eastern.

It's an accent Liz made up for the game, some sort of pseudo Eastern-European mix . If you listen to a comparison of her in ME1 and then ME2, it's almost shocking how different she can sound.

[Kikaimegami]

I think it sounds really Russian/Ukrainian personally, same as Prazza's accent (which is totally Russian and sounds like Niko in GTA: IV).

Modifié par Kikaimegami, 21 septembre 2010 - 02:14 .

[TTTX]

Volrath937 wrote...

Tali's accent itself sounds like an odd mix between something Eastern European (without being proper Russian) and Middle-Eastern.

It's an accent Liz made up for the game, some sort of pseudo Eastern-European mix . If you listen to a comparison of her in ME1 and then ME2, it's almost shocking how different she can sound.

Liz got better at voicing Tali, which is a nice change.

[TheodoricFriede]

I don't know what your all talking about. All this talk about Russian accents and Ukrainian accents and eastern European accents...Her accent is clearly a Quarian accent.

[Giggles_Manically]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

I don't know what your all talking about. All this talk about Russian accents and Ukrainian accents and eastern European accents...Her accent is clearly a Quarian accent.

You sir just won the internets.