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[NuclearBuddha]

A poll.

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Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 21 septembre 2010 - 06:27 .

[Eldareus]

I tried to draw Tali unmasked and I envisioned her with penguin-like feathers in place of hair. Too bad I'm a horrible artist. I kind the impression that Quarians have a mix of avian/humanoid features.

[Mazder]

Eldareus wrote...

I tried to draw Tali unmasked and I envisioned her with penguin-like feathers in place of hair. Too bad I'm a horrible artist. I kind the impression that Quarians have a mix of avian/humanoid features.

Plausible, as long as there is no beak i am okay with it

[JediSoth]

 Tali's one of my favorite characters in the ME series (Garrus, too). I really identified with her romance arc in ME2. Having had my trust betrayed in my first marriage, it's something I place a LOT of emphasis on in my real life relationships. Having gone through 3 deaths in my family from Nov. 2008 - Nov. 2009, I think, helped me really empathize with her loyalty arc, as well. (Yeah, good job tugging at my heart strings, there, Bioware. I get much more emotional about stuff like that now than I used to...Tali's father and Arl Eamon's son.)

She's a flawed character that grows and changes through both games (and I presume will continue to do so in ME3), achieving a level of character development some major motion picture characters would envy. Of course, characters have always been one of Bioware's strengths.

I didn't even feel like I was cheating on Liara to romance Tali. After all, she was very detached and professional to me when we were reunited on Ilium (aside from the greeting kiss); I felt like she's moved one. Besides, asari believe in cherishing the time you have with someone and not dwelling on the past and such, due to their long lifespans. 

I just hope ME3 doesn't make me start over with Tali (or takes her away completely) and lets me do even more to help her and the Quarians. I'd love for a sub-plot of that game to include some sort of reconciliation between the Quarians and the Geth, especially if Shepard and Tali are instrumental in that.

[Eldareus]

Mazder wrote...

Plausible, as long as there is no beak i am okay with it

No beak, a nose and some semblance of a mouth is quite visible under her mask. I imagined a very small mouth with pert lips.

Modifié par Eldareus, 21 septembre 2010 - 07:18 .

[Shadowomega23]

I have a feeling that ME3 would work almost like a stand alone Expansion pack to ME2, with an easy transition from one to the other. So nothing gets shifted back intro neutral, the Devs wouldn't want to ruin the story by having to rebuild relationships and what not again after all we did in ME2 to build them up.

[Someone With Mass]

Starting a whole new romance in the last game is just stupid.

[CroGamer002]

Why?

What if you didn't do any romance in previous games?

Or to start romance with someone from ME2 in ME3? Like Samara?

[NuclearBuddha]

Mesina2 wrote...
Why?
What if you didn't do any romance in previous games?
Or to start romance with someone from ME2 in ME3? Like Samara?

Then you deserve some kind of award for being a space monk.  But that's not really a discussion for this thread.

Anyway:  More Runner Tali!

[Volrath937]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Why?
What if you didn't do any romance in previous games?
Or to start romance with someone from ME2 in ME3? Like Samara?

Then you deserve some kind of award for being a space monk.  But that's not really a discussion for this thread.

Anyway:  More Runner Tali!

Would a lead-in to the romance dialogue for Tali in ME3 make sense if you didn't pick her in 2? They could just recycle some of animations and conversations from ME2, with dialogue adjustments, and replay them if they were so inclined.  Her feelings for Shepard wouldn't have changed if you did her loyalty mission, treated her well, and didn't romance anyone else. Isn't it possible to tell her something to the effect of "Yes I have feelings for you, but it'll need to wait until after this mission, then we can see where it goes," and she acts receptive to the idea?

[Eldareus]

JediSoth wrote...

 Tali's one of my favorite characters in the ME series (Garrus, too). I really identified with her romance arc in ME2. Having had my trust betrayed in my first marriage, it's something I place a LOT of emphasis on in my real life relationships. Having gone through 3 deaths in my family from Nov. 2008 - Nov. 2009, I think, helped me really empathize with her loyalty arc, as well. (Yeah, good job tugging at my heart strings, there, Bioware. I get much more emotional about stuff like that now than I used to...Tali's father and Arl Eamon's son.)

She's a flawed character that grows and changes through both games (and I presume will continue to do so in ME3), achieving a level of character development some major motion picture characters would envy. Of course, characters have always been one of Bioware's strengths.

I didn't even feel like I was cheating on Liara to romance Tali. After all, she was very detached and professional to me when we were reunited on Ilium (aside from the greeting kiss); I felt like she's moved one. Besides, asari believe in cherishing the time you have with someone and not dwelling on the past and such, due to their long lifespans. 

I just hope ME3 doesn't make me start over with Tali (or takes her away completely) and lets me do even more to help her and the Quarians. I'd love for a sub-plot of that game to include some sort of reconciliation between the Quarians and the Geth, especially if Shepard and Tali are instrumental in that.

I really don't see Tali as a flawed character.  She's definately has a race issue with the Geth, but that is understandable. Despite having a neglectful Father, she didn't have the same Daddy issues like Miranda. She knew her Father loved her it's just her Father was not the type of person who could express it on emotional/affectionate level.  She is a very intelligent and capable person who lacks a little confidence in the romance department and may not have neccessary traits for being a good leader, but otherwise she has a dependable, stable, and loyal personality.

I too hope  Tali remains a big part in ME3 and not reserved to a cameo appearance like Liara or Ashley.  That would suck.

[NuclearBuddha]

Volrath937 wrote...
Would a lead-in to the romance dialogue for Tali in ME3 make sense if you didn't pick her in 2? They could just recycle some of animations and conversations from ME2, with dialogue adjustments, and replay them if they were so inclined.  Her feelings for Shepard wouldn't have changed if you did her loyalty mission, treated her well, and didn't romance anyone else. Isn't it possible to tell her something to the effect of "Yes I have feelings for you, but it'll need to wait until after this mission, then we can see where it goes," and she acts receptive to the idea?

That would be a possibility, I guess.  I was assuming what was meant was a whole new romance with a whole new character, though.  But if you want to 'mance that Tali... uh... why wait?

Anyway, the "I don't want to risk your health" line is what you might be thinking of.  The "I don't want to risk the mission" brings down the fury.  The "health" thing has been debated before, and my position is that the wait-and-see approach is pretty silly when you might die on a suicide mission in a couple hours.

[Fiery Phoenix]

This is my comment on the recent poll:

In terms of development, it's not any of the characters that first appeared in ME2 because there hasn't really been enough time to show any significant sign of development. Therefore, I vote for Tali, Liara, and perhaps Garrus.

You asked for my honest opinion; here it is. And this is coming from someone who romanced Ashley and Thane and is in desperate love with both of them.

I think a lot of those who got butthurt didn't really understand the question in the first place.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 21 septembre 2010 - 08:03 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Eldareus wrote...
I really don't see Tali as a flawed character.  She's definately has a race issue with the Geth, but that is understandable. Despite having a neglectful Father, she didn't have the same Daddy issues like Miranda. She knew her Father loved her it's just her Father was not the type of person who could express it on emotional/affectionate level.  She is a very intelligent and capable person who lacks a little confidence in the romance department and may not have neccessary traits for being a good leader, but otherwise she has a dependable, stable, and loyal personality.

I too hope  Tali remains a big part in ME3 and not reserved to a cameo appearance like Liara or Ashley.  That would suck.

I'd disagree.  She's got some daddy issues, but that's hardly an indictment of her character.  Family is important, and she craved his approval.

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

Man, I love taking Tali and Garrus to the Spectre induction scene in Mass Effect. Just so the two who stick by you for two games were there to witness it.

I just wish they had soemthing to say about Shep being reinstated as a Spectre in ME2.

[NuclearBuddha]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

This is my comment on the recent:

In terms of development, it's not any of the characters that first appeared in ME2 because there hasn't really been enough time to show any significant sign of development. Therefore, I vote for Tali, Liara, and perhaps Garrus.

You asked for my honest opinion; here it is. And this is coming from someone who romanced Ashley and Thane and is in desperate love with both of them.

I think a lot of those who got butthurt didn't really understand the question in the first place.

Or were flat-out trolling.  It's unfortunate, because there was some good discussion in there as well.

[NuclearBuddha]

Someone With Mass wrote...
I just wish they had soemthing to say about Shep being reinstated as a Spectre in ME2.

I usually just take Tali's Presidium comment as part of that scene.  Heh.

[JediSoth]

Yeah, I meant flawed as in she's not a Mary Sue perfect person, which is a good thing; character without flaw have no room for growth (unless their growth is that they go from being a Mary Sue to being a flawed, three-dimensional character).

[Someone With Mass]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
I just wish they had soemthing to say about Shep being reinstated as a Spectre in ME2.

I usually just take Tali's Presidium comment as part of that scene.  Heh.

What was that again?

[Fiery Phoenix]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Or were flat-out trolling.  It's unfortunate, because there was some good discussion in there as well.

To be honest, topics like that almost never end well. I could compile an infinite list of reasons, but I'm sure you know what I'm getting at.

With that particular poll, the key word was "development". Ironically enough, there were people who simply took it all to mean your own personal favorite romance, hence the flame war.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 21 septembre 2010 - 08:07 .

[Someone With Mass]

That's what I like about Tali. She has flaws and problems, which I can help her with.

And her flaws are just adorable. Like when she's fumbling with words because she's nervous, or the hand wringing.

[NuclearBuddha]

Someone With Mass wrote...
What was that again?

About how it wasn't so far from there that they met for the first time.

[Volrath937]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

That would be a possibility, I guess.  I was assuming what was meant was a whole new romance with a whole new character, though.  But if you want to 'mance that Tali... uh... why wait?

Anyway, the "I don't want to risk your health" line is what you might be thinking of.  The "I don't want to risk the mission" brings down the fury.  The "health" thing has been debated before, and my position is that the wait-and-see approach is pretty silly when you might die on a suicide mission in a couple hours.

It'd be kind of weird to have Tali completely non-receptive to a relationship in ME3 if you didn't do anything to set her off in ME2, her feelings would still be there. I'm talking more from a story perspective than mechanics, I know you can switch to Tali at any point as long as you meet the prerequisites. 

Gotcha, there's no way to maintain a possible relationship after the suit-link talk without confirming Shepard's affection. I saw the breakup after the 3rd romance conversation on youtube, and it was pretty brutal. The camera twisting to the side was a nice effect, heartbreaking, but it enhanced the scene.