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[Mobius_118]

[Edit: Read this. Do what it says about trolls. - Pacifien]

Modifié par Pacifien, 13 septembre 2010 - 10:38 .

[Collider]

How is it flawed?

Because you are literally saying that ME2 squad mate WON'T come back as squad mates in ME3 when you don't actually know. But it's very useless arguing with you. I remember the old Kraidy. Now that guy was cool.

[kraidy1117]

XX55XX wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
If Tali is so popular, then why in the latest survey Liara beat her? She is not as popular as you think because majority of the Tali fans will jump onto the next big thing while the minor fans who do like her for her character will stay with her.

Kasumi had popularity at one point too for about a month. Now look.
Surveys mean nothing. Dollar signs do.

Eithewr does Tali's popularity, isnce her popularity dropped when LotSB came out. Tali will get a cameo and if people won't buy a game because one character will not be a squadmate, that is just poor. You had two full games with her, a cameo in the last game is not going to hurt you.

Now, now, let's not jump into conclusions here. Tali will have a role in ME3. But what role will that be? It is unknown at this point.

And just because they wrote the narrative for one character a certain way doesn't mean that they will apply that method to writing every character's narrative.

If Liara was not a LI, I would agree with you. Liara however is a LI and does it would not be fair again to have the ME2 LI to be squadmates. Liara being a non squadmate shows us that we will be getting a new squad. People can bitch and moan, but guess what? It happen with us Ash, Kai and liara fans and we still bought the ME2. Tali fans got alot of rewards for them, and it's time they stopped expecting Bioware to bend backwards for them.

[Mobius_118]

kraidy1117 wrote...


If Liara was not a LI, I would agree with you. Liara however is a LI and does it would not be fair again to have the ME2 LI to be squadmates. Liara being a non squadmate shows us that we will be getting a new squad. People can bitch and moan, but guess what? It happen with us Ash, Kai and liara fans and we still bought the ME2. Tali fans got alot of rewards for them, and it's time they stopped expecting Bioware to bend backwards for them.

Liara got her own ****ing DLC.

If that's not bending over backwards for a fanbase, then you, kid, have a highly skewed sense of how **** works.

Modifié par Mobius_118, 13 septembre 2010 - 10:38 .

[Mazder]

Yay!, Kikai's here, now we can be sensible

[Pacifien]

If you guys would like to discuss Liara, I suggest you take it to the Liara thread. Now.

[kraidy1117]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Eithewr does Tali's popularity, isnce her popularity dropped when LotSB came out. Tali will get a cameo and if people won't buy a game because one character will not be a squadmate, that is just poor. You had two full games with her, a cameo in the last game is not going to hurt you.

There's no reason to be like this unless you're just trying to be jerky.  Lair of the Shadow Broker has suggested that BW is committed to bringing back the characters we care about and giving them the treatment they deserve.  Tali and the entire team included.  It's unfortunate you feel the need to goad others about this.

How LotSB end? Do you remeber? Liara became the SB and tells you right up front, she won't be with you in the fray, she will be a supporter. Liara is unkillable. Tali is killable. They won't waste resources on something that will only pleese one part of the fanbase when many people won't even see it. Thus new squadmates so everyone is at the level. You can still have your romance, you just won't have her in the squad. She can do better as support character.

[RiptideX1090]

Pacifien wrote...

If you guys would like to discuss Liara, I suggest you take it to the Liara thread. Now.

I would also argue that discussing whether the squadmates will return should be taken to it's appropriate thread, as well.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Kraidy, for your own sake, you should just knock it off already.

[NuclearBuddha]

Mobius_118 wrote...
Liara got her own DLC.

As I've said, Lair of the Shadow Broker is really about the entire squad, since Liara is nice enough to have kind words for many of them.

I know I got a thrill about the "had vested interest in less competition" line RE: Tali.

[Kikaimegami]

Mazder wrote...

Yay!, Kikai's here, now we can be sensible

Weeellllll I don't know about that, but I can post screenshots! I always have plenty of those!

[Wolf Warden]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

If you guys would like to discuss Liara, I suggest you take it to the Liara thread. Now.

I would also argue that discussing whether the squadmates will return should be taken to it's appropriate thread, as well.

I second this.

How about we discuss if Tali will change in personallity like Garrus did.  Does anyone have any thoughts on the matter?  Will she "harden" like Lelianna in DA:O or will she stay the same?

[NuclearBuddha]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
If you guys would like to discuss Liara, I suggest you take it to the Liara thread. Now.

I would also argue that discussing whether the squadmates will return should be taken to it's appropriate thread, as well.

There are several in the general forum, yes.  They're pretty similar.

[XX55XX]

Anyways... what sort of role do you guys think Tali will have in ME3? If she lives in your game, of course.

[xlavaina]

Mobius_118 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...


If Liara was not a LI, I would agree with you. Liara however is a LI and does it would not be fair again to have the ME2 LI to be squadmates. Liara being a non squadmate shows us that we will be getting a new squad. People can bitch and moan, but guess what? It happen with us Ash, Kai and liara fans and we still bought the ME2. Tali fans got alot of rewards for them, and it's time they stopped expecting Bioware to bend backwards for them.

Liara got her own ****ing DLC.

If that's not bending over backwards for a fanbase, then you, kid, have a highly skewed sense of how **** works.

Please stop. We're on page 11. Shame if we got it locked now over this bickering. There is a thread for this discussion here: ME3 Squad Composition Discussion

Take it outside people [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]



[off-topic discussion removed.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 13 septembre 2010 - 11:00 .

[Kikaimegami]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Mobius_118 wrote...
Liara got her own DLC.

As I've said, Lair of the Shadow Broker is really about the entire squad, since Liara is nice enough to have kind words for many of them.

I know I got a thrill about the "had vested interest in less competition" line RE: Tali.

The dossiers made me giggle like a moron for the most part. Some of them were total bummers, though.

[General Douchington]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Mazder wrote...

Yay!, Kikai's here, now we can be sensible

Weeellllll I don't know about that, but I can post screenshots! I always have plenty of those!

*stumbles across bar*

Keep 'em comin'!

[NuclearBuddha]

Wolf Warden wrote...
How about we discuss if Tali will change in personallity like Garrus did.  Does anyone have any thoughts on the matter?  Will she "harden" like Lelianna in DA:O or will she stay the same?

There's much less of a mentor/student relationship w/ Tali than there was w/ Garrus.

[XX55XX]

Wolf Warden wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

If you guys would like to discuss Liara, I suggest you take it to the Liara thread. Now.

I would also argue that discussing whether the squadmates will return should be taken to it's appropriate thread, as well.

I second this.

How about we discuss if Tali will change in personallity like Garrus did.  Does anyone have any thoughts on the matter?  Will she "harden" like Lelianna in DA:O or will she stay the same?

I would say it depends on how the geth/quarian war turns out. If her people become crippled by a senseless war against the geth, then I daresay that she would "harden".

[MS-06 Zaku II]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
If Tali is so popular, then why in the latest survey Liara beat her? She is not as popular as you think because majority of the Tali fans will jump onto the next big thing while the minor fans who do like her for her character will stay with her.

Kasumi had popularity at one point too for about a month. Now look.
Surveys mean nothing. Dollar signs do.

How true that is.... Money talks, and well.... You know what walks, lol.

Personally I think that Tali and pretty much everybody will return, Bioware was smart to keep most of the ME1 characters in reserve, as you need at least two characters at you're side at the endgame of ME2 to survive the Collector Base mission, that means that even if all the other characters die, you still have yourself, those two that were with you when you escaped, Liara, Virmire Survivor, and perhaps one or two new characters.

It's still worthwhile to record dialogue for squadmates so that there are people who have all 15 survive both games, and even if there are those who die, there are still at least four party members that you can choose from, a little limiting, but I am sure that Bioware said that they are making these games with a policy of "you reap what you sow".

Besides, what would be the point of keeping the entire ME2 crew alive if they all just ditched you out of nowhere and ended up as cameos? There is also the arguement that story-wise, the Reapers are right on the horizon, there's really no time to make a new crew yet again, and Shepard needs to get going!

Well anyway, high hopes for Tali coming back!

[kraidy1117]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
They won't waste resources on something that will only pleese one part of the fanbase when many people won't even see it.

No, they really won't. As I said earlier, VA are payed by project. Not by time put in. Getting Tali one line would cost the same as recording hours of content.

Go talk to Gaider. He stated that making a character a squadmate takes them ost resources. They will not waste those resources on osmething not everyone will have.

[Mazder]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Mazder wrote...

Yay!, Kikai's here, now we can be sensible

Weeellllll I don't know about that, but I can post screenshots! I always have plenty of those!

*snip*

good point...but lets refrain from doing that too much, but now we can have fun again