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[NuclearBuddha]

camoboy_19 wrote...
It's sort of a "Are you patient enough?" thing for me

No kidding.  It's not my favorite.

It feels likea bonehead move to bring a geth to the Flotilla, and I'd rather just get rolling on the Talimance.

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Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 24 septembre 2010 - 05:22 .

[TheodoricFriede]

I think the only "proper" way to do Tali's mission is to bring legion. Just like I think the only "proper" way to do Legion's mission is to bring Tali. It just seems to fit for me.

[Shadowomega23]

Thanks for the comments the three of you. This was just the first part of the three part series and hope to have the other two parts read to head out the door this coming week. I do know that a couple here might dread the story, expessially Rune. I also do want to thank buddha for his help awhile back on helping me finalize the name for one of the characters. Also thanks for the information about some errors in the text it is some times hard to proof read your own work. I will check with a good friend of mine who majored in English lit. to become an editor and writer and see if he would be up for a quick proof read, seeing he is a big tali fan as well.

[Volrath937]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

I think the only "proper" way to do Tali's mission is to bring legion. Just like I think the only "proper" way to do Legion's mission is to bring Tali. It just seems to fit for me.

She comes to you (Shepard) shaken up about her possible exile. It means so much to her that she's willing to book her own passage back to the Flotilla. Shepard assures her that he will take care of it for her. Shepard then proceeds to put off the trial long enough to recruit Legion, against Tali's wishes, and bring it to the Flotilla. From a storyline point of view, it's really hard to justify gallivanting around the Flotilla with a robot hated by the quarians.

Modifié par Volrath937, 24 septembre 2010 - 05:36 .

[camoboy_19]

Volrath937 wrote...

TheodoricFriede wrote...

I think the only "proper" way to do Tali's mission is to bring legion. Just like I think the only "proper" way to do Legion's mission is to bring Tali. It just seems to fit for me.

She comes to you (Shepard) shaken up about her possible exile. It means so much to her that she's willing to book her own passage back to the Flotilla. Shepard assures her that he will take care of it for her. Shepard then proceeds to put off the trial long enough to recruit Legion, against Tali's wishes, and bring it to the Flotilla. From a storyline point of view, it's really hard to justify gallivanting around the Flotilla with a robot hated by the quarians.

Not the strongest decision.

[Shadowomega23]

@Volrath the funny thing is Legion doesn't seem destraut over killing those hardware and software platforms on that ship.

[camoboy_19]

Shadowomega23 wrote...

@Volrath the funny thing is Legion doesn't seem destraut over killing those hardware and software platforms on that ship.

It's cause Legion is cool like that.

[TheodoricFriede]

Volrath937 wrote...

TheodoricFriede wrote...

I think the only "proper" way to do Tali's mission is to bring legion. Just like I think the only "proper" way to do Legion's mission is to bring Tali. It just seems to fit for me.

She comes to you (Shepard) shaken up about her possible exile. It means so much to her that she's willing to book her own passage back to the Flotilla. Shepard assures her that he will take care of it for her. Shepard then proceeds to put off the trial long enough to recruit Legion, against Tali's wishes, and bring it to the Flotilla. From a storyline point of view, it's really hard to justify gallivanting around the Flotilla with a robot hated by the quarians.

And yet, against all odds, Shepard succedes, sewing the seeds of peace between geth and quarians. Getting Talis love, and Legions respect. Legion see's the fleet, Tali sees a geth space station.

Anyway even though i think its the proper way, ive only done it twice, once as a renegade,(let the crew die) and once with a save edit to have legion befor the IFF mission. Too frustrating otherwise.

I know your view of the geth Volrath, i dont expect to convince you otherwise.

Modifié par TheodoricFriede, 24 septembre 2010 - 05:45 .

[NuclearBuddha]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

I think the only "proper" way to do Tali's mission is to bring legion. Just like I think the only "proper" way to do Legion's mission is to bring Tali. It just seems to fit for me.

I'll certainly agree with the latter half of this statement.  I'd rather have a geth expert watching my back during Legion's loyalty mission, and Tali's dialogue during it is quite interesting.  It's almost a homecoming for her, since the station was originally quarian.  And like most homecomings, home is never how you remembered it.

This actually makes me a little jittery about Rannoch.  The quarians don't really know what it is that they want/will get.

[Shadowomega23]

@Nuclearbuddha Your right the quarians don't know what they will get, but if you actually talk to legion enough he will tell you about Rannoch's current state. From what Legion has stated their home is as it use to be before the Morning War, and the geth are acting as Caretakers for the return of the Creators. Also he mentions the Geth are building a massive Diason Sphere to upload all their programs to. Kind of like the Matrix from Transformers "Till all are one." kind of thing.

[Shadowomega23]

By the way rune did you notice the New Link in my sig? You might at least like Part 1. Also yes it was Sergio, that mentioned it as well as me back on the old Thread. Its just a pain getting to end game then having to go back and do the side missions and then run back down and talk to Legion untill he talks about the Homeworld.

Modifié par Shadowomega23, 24 septembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Shadowomega23 wrote...

@Nuclearbuddha Your right the quarians don't know what they will get, but if you actually talk to legion enough he will tell you about Rannoch's current state. From what Legion has stated their home is as it use to be before the Morning War, and the geth are acting as Caretakers for the return of the Creators. Also he mentions the Geth are building a massive Diason Sphere to upload all their programs to. Kind of like the Matrix from Transformers "Till all are one." kind of thing.

I know the dialogues, yeah.

But here's the thing:  the examples Legion gives aren't particularly heartening.  I wouldn't want to live in Arlington National or Auschwitz or Flanders Fields.  They may have cleaned the place up, but it's the graveyard of the quarian race.  Foliage might be running rampant just because it's fertilized with the bone meal of billions.

And then there's the matter of just switching from the "everyone needs to work together or we'll all die" culture to something much more forgiving.

Don't get me wrong.  I support a return to Rannoch for the quarians.  I just don't think it's going to be all sunshine and parades.

[Shadowomega23]

@Nuclearbuddha you right it will not be sunshine and parades, but I don't think that the planetlife would be over running the planet. A Caretaker carefully prunes and trims their plants to avoid having them getting overly larger to the point they start invading their neighborning plants. But I do think it would be a somber return. I also know what you mean about wanting to live in a place like Arlington Nation as I have been there as well, it is nice place to visit but not one to live on.

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Actually in a way all humans are living on a graveyard or near one. Just about every town in Europe sit on or around where people where killed not even 100 years ago; WWI and WWII. Infact I could say my extended back yard is a graveyard, as battles where fought around the area in both the American Revolutionary war and the American Civil War.

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Modifié par Shadowomega23, 24 septembre 2010 - 06:28 .

[TheodoricFriede]

I just now saw what Tali's in game placeholder face looks like. I have to admit, now I understand why people like the idea of her skin being dark gray. Its actually a quite pretty face for something that's solely for the purpose of being a silhouette under the mask.

[Angmir]

Back to a Legion apperance on Flotilla - do anyone have a vid involving his reaction if Shepherd encourages Quarian to war with Geth ? this must be intresting

[Homebound]

Tali is obviously against allying with the Geth. What do you guys think this means to us Talimancers in ME3?

[JediSoth]

Tali may be against an alliance with the Geth, but she's level-headed enough to listen to reason if Shepard presents his case correctly. She did back down during the confrontation with Legion and offered to give him non-classified data to send back to the Geth.

I think you'll definitely be able to persuade her without screwing up the romance. Heck, it might even be easier to reason with her because of the romance. I also think it'll definitely be possible to totally mess up the romance if you try to intimidate her into accepting peace with the Geth.

Modifié par JediSoth, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:15 .

[Homebound]

JediSoth wrote...

Tali may be against an alliance with the Geth, but she's level-headed enough to listen to reason if Shepard presents his case correctly. She did back down during the confrontation with Legion and offered to give him non-classified data to send back to the Geth.

With enough paragon/renegade, you could potentially convince the Turian councelor to dismiss himself. Im talking about Tali and what Tali wants before Shepard steps in and changes her mind somehow.

[Eldareus]

Given the bad history between Geth and Quarians, I felt it was inconsistent storywise, that Tali would allow you to recruit Legion and doing so should have force the player to decide which of the two character they wanted on the Team. After Tali's history including the death of her father at the hands of the Geth there is no way Tali would have tolerated having an active Geth aboard the same ship as her. Once you activated and invited Legion to the team, Tali should have stormed in and said somthing like, "No way, I didn't agree to this!" and force you to make a choice Legion or Her. Tali probably would have agree upon studying Legion, but I have a hard believing she would accept having Legion on the same team as her despite her trust and feelings for Shepard.



The whole notion of taking Legion to migrant fleet for Tali's trial was simply laughable situation. That would be like inviting Bin Laden to the 10 year 9-11 observance ceremony at gound zero.

[Someone With Mass]

A laughable comparison, yes.



Legion can be brought to the Migrant Fleet with the intention of trying to convince the admirals that not all geth are bad and they might be able to talk peace.

[TheodoricFriede]

I don't get it...do you people want the geth and quarians to go to war? Because if they do every quarian in that war will perish. The geth are an impossible enemy to win against. There are too many, they can replenish their numbers almost immediately, they don't feel fear, and don't take prisoners.



Bringing Legion to the Migrant Fleet is like bringing a diplomat. just like Tali is a diplomat to the geth through Legion. The quarians may not like it, but it will save lives in the end.

[JediSoth]

Just_mike wrote...

With enough paragon/renegade, you could potentially convince the Turian councelor to dismiss himself.

That would be epically funny! I support this option.

Im talking about Tali and what Tali wants before Shepard steps in and changes her mind somehow.

At the end of the game, according to the choices of my playthrough, I think Tali is totally conflicted about the Geth. She's horrified and ashamed of her father's experiments, but has trouble not seeing the Geth as an enemy. On the other hand, she's worked with Legion and knows he's stood up to protect Commander Shepard from husks at the very least (and Legion help destroy the human Reaper). She doesn't agree with re-writing the Heretics so they join back up with the True Geth, but trusts Shepard's judgement enough to realize that war with the Geth would be counterproductive with the Reaper threat looming.

 I think a resolution to this conflict will be the focus of a DLC, a substantial part of ME3, or part of a DLC for ME3. It's just too big of a dangling plot thread to leave to fannon speculation.

[Angmir]

Since when do the Geth have unlimited resorcess ? As far as I heard Heretics were aproximatly 5% of Geth overal. At Their hub space-station were 6.6 millions of Geth copies and only 2.4 mobile platforms. Multiply this 20 times and you will have ture number of all the Geth beyond the Veil.

13.2 millions isn't that scarry number. Espesialy that they dont have more than 5 millions ready to fight. And seriously did you frankly think that war between them and Quarians would resolve in massive land battles ? War would probabky be arround fleet battles and sabotage actions.

Moreover - the heretics "virus" and the overlord project proved that the Geth are indeed prone to rewriting. Let Quarian build single "false geth" to connect into their network and infect them from inside. Create a mathematical logic error into their programing and they would end up blowing themselfs up. Their strenght lies in network - so does their's greatest weekness.

Modifié par Angmir, 24 septembre 2010 - 01:26 .