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[Eldareus]

The Geth remind me of the terminators.

[Iwakura-Lain]

Volrath937 wrote...

I thought her reaction to Xen was more "Dissecting your childhood toys is a sign of a mentally unstable person, and wanting to use the geth as a synthetic army for the quarians is insane," and less "Geth shouldn't be experimented on". 

Why, not insane per se. At least no more so than Shepard wanting to reprogram the Geth. From the Quarians' perspective of "If you çan't beat 'em, make 'em join you," it's not immediately an insane thought. It's insanely dangerous, though, to try and undertake such a hazardous endeavor alone.

[Kikaimegami]

Shandepared wrote...

Angmir wrote...

I say again lets do exacly what the Heretics tried to do.

That's why we should all support Admiral Xen. I'd have given her the evidence from the Alerai, but I think Tali uses a paragon interrupt on Shepard when you try. You know I have to wonder why exactly Tali doesn't like her at all. She seems to be a little antagonistic the moment you meet her.

Yes, because there's no possible way that wouldn't horribly backfire and get everyone involved killed

Sounds like a Cerberus plot to me.

[Someone With Mass]

It would be pretty amusing if her plan actually works. As a Renegade option.

[Kikaimegami]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It would be pretty amusing if her plan actually works. As a Renegade option.

I'm personally hoping for a Renegade interrupt that lets me ventilate her head with my Widow

[Volrath937]

mrsph wrote...

Tali hates Xen's plan because Tali is smart to enough to know that it would basically be history repeating itself.

Xen's plan is:
1) Take control of the geth
2) Use geth as a personal army 
I think Tali's objection is more to 2 than 1.

[Kikaimegami]

mrsph wrote...

Tali hates Xen's plan because Tali is smart to enough to know that it would basically be history repeating itself.

Yeah, talk about not learning from your mistakes. Tali is smart enough to realize that anything dealing with trying to "reclaim" the geth, is going to end up very, very poorly for her people. Hell, if you rewrite the Heretics and then ask Legion about it afterward, you find out that the virus wasn't 100% effective.

Let me repeat that.

A reaper virus wasn't 100% effective against a population consisting of 5% of the geth.

[Eldareus]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...

I thought her reaction to Xen was more "Dissecting your childhood toys is a sign of a mentally unstable person, and wanting to use the geth as a synthetic army for the quarians is insane," and less "Geth shouldn't be experimented on". 

Why, not insane per se. At least no more so than Shepard wanting to reprogram the Geth. From the Quarians' perspective of "If you çan't beat 'em, make 'em join you," it's not immediately an insane thought. It's insanely dangerous, though, to try and undertake such a hazardous endeavor alone.

I think it's incredibly risky proposition and  making the exact same mistakes that lead the Quarian exodus in the first place.  I think Tali sees the folly of such a plan. If they couldn't control the Geth the first time,  which almost lead to near extinction of their race,  why would a expect different result the next time around.

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

Tali hates Xen's plan because Tali is smart to enough to know that it would basically be history repeating itself.

"Hate" is a pretty strong word. I'd say that Tali just thinks she's nuts.

She doesn't have high thoughs about any of the admirals from the looks of it.

Tali being friendly to Shala and Han is probably because they're close to her family.

[Volrath937]

mrsph wrote...

Volrath937 wrote...
Xen's plan is:
1) Take control of the geth
2) Use geth as a personal army 
I think Tali's objection is more to 2 than 1.

Tali doesn't know about the second part of the plan. She only knows that Xen wants to reprogram them.

Xen outright says to Shepard and Tali (I'm paraphrasing here) "I want to bring the geth back where they belong, under the control of the quarian people!" That implies she wants to use the geth, and that's just a bad idea given the nature of the network. Even using them as cannon fodder against the Reapers might be too risky.

That's considerably different from saying "I want to take control of the geth and then shut them down. They are a horrible mistake that must be destroyed." I can't remember what Tali says to Gerrel though, does she support the war?

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

Tali doesn't know about the second part of the plan. She only knows that Xen wants to reprogram them.

Then again, it's not so difficlut to figure that one out.

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[Someone With Mass]

Volrath937 wrote...

That's considerably different from saying "I want to take control of the geth and then shut them down. They are a horrible mistake that must be destroyed." I can't remember what Tali says to Gerrel though, does she support the war?

I don't think Tali supports something like that. She knows that the quarians won't stand a chance in a full scale war against the geth.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 24 septembre 2010 - 04:39 .

[Eldareus]

mrsph wrote...

"He broke our most sacred laws! laws that predate our flight from the Homeworld"

The way she says that is what makes me think part of it has to do with him testing weapons on a sapient creature.

Hmm, that is a good point.  It's sort of vague and is open to interpretation. 

[Someone With Mass]

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[Iwakura-Lain]

Eldareus wrote...

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

Why, not insane per se. At least no more so than Shepard wanting to reprogram the Geth. From the Quarians' perspective of "If you çan't beat 'em, make 'em join you," it's not immediately an insane thought. It's insanely dangerous, though, to try and undertake such a hazardous endeavor alone.

I think it's incredibly risky proposition and making the exact same mistakes that lead the Quarian exodus in the first place.  I think Tali sees the folly of such a plan. If they couldn't control the Geth the first time,  which almost lead to near extinction of their race,  why would a expect different result the next time around?

I agree. That's why I said "...  no more so than Shepard wanting to reprogram the Geth." Like I said a few posts earlier, messing with tech which is way over your head is really a very bad idea. It's like the "Life will find a way" argument, but then on the Alarei: you think you have everything under control, but you don't. But there's always folks who believe they can get it right this time. That's the illusion.

Also, as has been pointed out by others, it's really questionable how much the Geth want the Quarians dead. The Quarians have been decimated, and only a handful remained on the small Migrant Fleet, keeping themselves alive, barely, with backwater technology. The Geth can't possibly consider them a real threat any more.

[Savakka1]

Tali wants to retake the homeworld, that is clear, but she is not near suicidal about it like Gerrel, who seems to be redy to march to Rannoch alredy, even if they don't seem to have any type of advantage over the Geth.

[FsDxRAGE]

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apparently, BW is doing a charity thing where they are going to play ME1 and ME2 for 3 days and we get to choose how  they play it.
Tali must be romanced

[Savakka1]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

Also, as has been pointed out by others, it's really questionable how much the Geth want the Quarians dead. The Quarians have been decimated, and only a handful remained on the small Migrant Fleet, keeping themselves alive, barely, with backwater technology. The Geth can't possibly consider them a real threat any more.

Legion said that Geth don't have any hate towards the organics. And during the Tali/Legion AI Core scene, Legion basically said that they only attack organics to protect themselves. Speaking about that, I'm certain that Tali's view towards the Geth changes to more neutral and peaceful point of view in ME2, and she wouldn't support a war against the Geth so strongly anymore after the events of ME2.  (That is, if you reactivated Legion, ofcource)

[Someone With Mass]

FsDxRAGE wrote...
apparently, BW is doing a charity thing where they are going to play ME1 and ME2 for 3 days and we get to choose how  they play it.
Tali must be romanced

Tali will  be romanced from the looks of it.