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[Kikaimegami]

Someone With Mass wrote...

This should really be mentioned in either ME3 or a DLC. It's too big to just ignore.

Seriously, it drove me batty when I couldn't tell her about it.

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Modifié par Kikaimegami, 24 septembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Someone With Mass]

Tali: Shepard. What can I do--

Shepard: Tali, come. Quick! Hurry!

Tali: What is it?

Shepard: Just come with me!

*Deck 3, AI Core*

Tali: Shepard, I really need to fix the engine and--

Shepard: Hush. Okay, Legion. Tell her about our last conversation.

Legion: We are building a consensus. Please try again later.

Shepard: FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Tali: I'm going back to work now. Have fun doing...whatever it is that you're doing.

[Kikaimegami]

Calinstel wrote...

And yet they did.  One of the biggest bombs dropped in the game concerning the quarians and Tali is not even told about it?
Sometimes BW can be idiots.

I hope they let us do something about it in ME3, I really do, because it's going to drive me crazy if we can't even mention it to her or otherwise inform her about it. It's really important and hell, if Shepard could like.. drag Tali into the AI Core so she could hear everything Legion has to say, that would make peace much, much more likely, because then she could tell the quarians and...

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLETMETELLHERBIOWAREDAMNITINEEDTOTELLHER

[Kikaimegami]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Shepard: FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Tali: I'm going back to work now. Have fun doing...whatever it is that you're doing.

Oh Shepard, you just can't win. She probably thinks he's nutters.

[Kikaimegami]

"Yes Shepard, geth build consensus. I've been aware of this since before I left the bubble. Can I get back to work now?"



(thinking to herself) Keelah, if he wants to spend time with me, why doesn't he just say it?

[ElectricZ]

nickFury wrote...

To a degree I agree, Tali may not see them as the pangalactic killers that we/she thought they were in ME1 however its going to take more than that for her to stop thinking of them as the ultimate enemy of the quarian race, but I do think she will eventually get there with shepards/Legions help. I so wish that when you talk to Legion about the war and how the geth dont want to fight the quarians and are actually maintaining Rannoch that you could bring the news to Tali.

So dissapointed when I tried this.

That's more of a limit to the game than anything else... After hearing Legion talk about the history and views of the geth, I wanted to drag him down to engineering, push him in front of Tali and tell him to repeat everything from the top. But the way the game is set up, this kind of interaction can only happen during a mission so it's likely the sort of thing that could happen in ME3 or in some DLC.

Even then I hope it's not made as simple as they did with "keep the collector base for Cerberus" or "flip TIM the bird and blow it up". A third option of "Keep the base and send the IFF info back to Anderson on the Citadel" would have been nice. The geth/quarian issue will hopefully have a healthy dose of dialogue and multiple outcomes instead of a simple heads-tails situation.

Modifié par ElectricZ, 24 septembre 2010 - 07:55 .

[ElectricZ]

Sheesh between the time I started typing and hit "save" I see a lot of other people think along the same lines.



Consensus achieved...

[Killjoy Cutter]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
Shepard is just that smooth.

Apparently there's leftover unused dialogue from some sort of conflict between Grunt and Mordin that would have been a better comparison, but I guess it was taken out because Grunt was sort of meant to ignore the genophage, so he wouldn't have cared so much as to have an argument about it.

You also have to consider though that even if the Mordin and Grunt conflict had been left in, it might still not have been a good comparison, since the relationship between either of them with Shepard is completely different from Shepard's relationships with Tali and Legion. They're not even in the same category.

That's what I was alluding to, actually.  But we'd get to see another example of "resolution" to compare how Tali and Legion bury the hatchet.  Because right now they look insanely well-mannered over even such an important issue.

That's because the Geth and the Quarian young adult who just lost her father are more emotionally mature than Miranda and Jack. 

[Shadowomega23]

@Kikaimegami & Someone with Mass lol, You would think Shepard would have learned to discretely turn on his Omni-tools recording feature, by now.



Anyway for the afternoon/evening crew check out Darkness before the Dawn Pt1 the link is now in my Signature.

[Someone With Mass]

Shadowomega23 wrote...

@Kikaimegami & Someone with Mass lol, You would think Shepard would have learned to discretely turn on his Omni-tools recording feature, by now.

Subtle? Shepard? Hah.

[IndigoWolfe]

Hullo, Tali Thread. Just dropping in with a couple quick questions;

Does Tali ever specifically say in game that she would be open to a peaceful solution to the conflict with the geth?

And if Tali were unavailable in ME3 due to health problems, would you consider that be an acceptable way for her to be sidelined, in your opinion?

[Volrath937]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Hullo, Tali Thread. Just dropping in with a couple quick questions;

Does Tali ever specifically say in game that she would be open to a peaceful solution to the conflict with the geth?

And if Tali were unavailable in ME3 due to health problems, would you consider that be an acceptable way for her to be sidelined, in your opinion?

No, she does not. As far as I can remember, everything is inferred from the way the game presents things.

If she was sidelined off as a squadmate, I might be able to understand if they give an amazing reason. As for off the Normandy, not a chance.

[IndigoWolfe]

Volrath937 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Does Tali ever specifically say in game that she would be open to a peaceful solution to the conflict with the geth?

No, she does not. As far as I can remember, everything is inferred from the way the game presents things.

How is it inferred, exactly?

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 24 septembre 2010 - 09:05 .

[Someone With Mass]

Volrath937 wrote...

If she was sidelined off as a squadmate, I might be able to understand if they give an amazing reason. As for off the Normandy, not a chance.

Yeah, she better be working on something super important to not be a squadmate.

Not on the Normandy? Okay. Tali'Zorah vas Normandy.
Any excuse is now invalid.

[Volrath937]

They play up how the "true-geth" are totally and completely different from the Heretics.

You can paragon Tali's loyalty mission to recommend peace.

The charm/intimidate option during the Tali/Legion fight has her give it some quarian data without prompting her to.

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

Tali really never says how she wants to get Rannoch back. People will speculate but it is just one of those things we will have to wait until Mass Effect 3 to find out. Though she does seem to think it is impossible to do.

I've always thought it's up to Shep to help her decide what's best on that front.

But I think she's open to all alternatives.

[IndigoWolfe]

Someone With Mass wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Tali really never says how she wants to get Rannoch back. People will speculate but it is just one of those things we will have to wait until Mass Effect 3 to find out. Though she does seem to think it is impossible to do.

I've always thought it's up to Shep to help her decide what's best on that front.

But I think she's open to all alternatives.

Speaking personally, I think it would give Tali's character more integrity if she had her own opinion of what should be done that she would stick to. She's not clay for Shepard to mold, she is her own woman with her own morals, values and principles. Or at least that's how I like to see her. Hypothetically, if Shepard made a decision in support of the geth that was detrimental to the quarian cause, I don't think she would be submissive and meek about that.

You can't convince her to let you present the evidence to the Admirality Board, and I think she should make a similar stand of what she thinks is right for her personally and for her people in whatever confrontation between the quarians and the geth have in the future.

[Eldareus]

IndigoWolfe wrote...


Speaking personally, I think it would give Tali's character more integrity if she had her own opinion of what should be done that she would stick to. She's not clay for Shepard to mold, she is her own woman with her own morals, values and principles. Or at least that's how I like to see her. Hypothetically, if Shepard made a decision in support of the geth that was detrimental to the quarian cause, I don't think she would be submissive and meek about that.

You can't convince her to let you present the evidence to the Admirality Board, and I think she should make a similar stand of what she thinks is right for her personally and for her people in whatever confrontation between the quarians and the geth have in the future.

Tali is not submissive or meek. If you side with Legion on their disagreement she is really insulted  and feels Shepard  betrayed her trust.

This is why I have a problem with theTali and Legion working together on the same team or at least how quickly they resolve the tension between the two. Tali  doesn't appear to be a person who is  willing to throw away all her deep seated convictions concerning the Geth just because Shepard asks her too.  While she is an open minded and reasonable person, Shepard is asking her to undo years of cultural bias and to forget her family and friends lost to the Geth. That's lot to ask of someone all on word that Legion is different from all the other Geth she has experienced her entire life. 

[Shadowomega23]

Tali just isn't showing her distrust of Legion, she is only doing so because of Shepard. She is likely just as intrested in why Legion is the way he is because she hasn't seen any Geth act or even think like him. But she is likely deeply conflicted on the subject, but keeping it to herself. Shepard himself seems curious and also a little hesitain with Legion at first, but I don't think he fully trusts him by the end of ME2.

[IndigoWolfe]

Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that Tali was submissive or meek, I was just trying to make a contrasting reference.

[IndigoWolfe]

Shadowomega23 wrote...

Shepard himself seems curious and also a little hesitain with Legion at first, but I don't think he fully trusts him by the end of ME2.

Well, there's the thing, you wouldn''t get that from the game. It basically goes "We don't like the Reapers either." "Okie doke, welcome to the team!"

That was a bit of immersion breakage, because I can't buy Shepard, even Paragon Shepard, being that quick to extend that sort of invitation to an unknown element such as Legion.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 24 septembre 2010 - 10:08 .