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[Haventh]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Well I would be a bit dissapoint if Tali's face was shown. I think it's part of her personality and the whole mystery around her that the face is hidden - and I know it sounds weird at best, but it's true.

Fair enough, your opinion.  So, no matter what Bioware descide to do, they will aliante some people. So they either do whatever they want or follow the group with most people. 

[Alexine]

I think I prefer the fact that Tali's face is not shown. It's the mystery with her culture and who she is. But other than that, I wouldn't expect to learn what's behind the mask in ME2 (it's halfway there in Shepard's tale). I would expect that in ME3, it could be a form of closure for Shepard's Arc and Tali's relationship with Shepard.



But even if Tali's face is not shown in ME3, I won't be sorely disappointed. I have a feeling they will keep us in the dark of what quarians will truly look like, so they have more material to add if they want to make more mass effect games after Shepard arc is finished.

[Kusy]

@Haventh, nah - it's not like I will mind her face being shown either... as long as Mass Effect 3 has an actualy well planed and executed storyline as distinct from Mass Effect 2, I can romance Tali and I can save her from any kind of death that could wait there... and the rest of my crew if possible.



And even if that's not delivered... just the well planed and executed storyline will do.

[Angmir]

Haventh wrote...

Well, people will be dissapointed if Bioware doesn't show her face as well, so it backfires either  way. Myself i won't care much if Talis face isn't shown, but i would love to see Tali's face.  For me it is more a pull with the personality and romance story than the actual face. 

All true - but you probaly still be disapointed if her face would be something  far from what you expected her to be. Tali's face is a legendary issue now, and they wont destroy it. I'd love to see her face being as lovly and cute, and warm as her personality is, but unless i will draw one myself I don't expect to see it. Even If they reveal Tali's face in ME3 or don't nighter way it won't be MY Tali.

This is the usual problem with adapting books into movies. You watch the movie first and then read book - evrything's fine, start form the opposite, and you will find the movie unfitting.

[Haventh]

 Calinstel: I'm not sure who that was directed at, but i agree. Love comes from a bond with the other person through time and admiration to their personality, looks is just lust. 

Angmir: I have already stated that i will not be dissapointed either way,  both her face  being revealed or not has appeals to me.  Please don't twist my words, if i say something, thats what i say. 

Mr.Kusy: I see it the same way.

Modifié par Haventh, 28 septembre 2010 - 11:37 .

[TheodoricFriede]

I think Tali's face will be shown. I remember hearing that the author of the mass effect books wasn't allowed to describe quarians features in detail. Why would they hinder him in such a way if they never intended to show a quarians face?

Then again the answer could be, because they never intend to show a quarians face.

[Kusy]

Haventh wrote...

 Calinstel: I'm not sure who that was directed at, but i agree. Love comes from a bond with the other person through time and admiration to their personality, looks is just lust. 

Yeaaah... and white horses, and shiny armors.
You can't split lust from love, one is part of the another. Socialy and psychicaly healthy people do not follow lust without feeling something to the lusted person, but also a healthy and normal relationship can't exist without satisfying the lust. Platonic love is fiction. That mask is Tali's face and the envo suit is her apearence. People find it sexy, people get interested.

[Haventh]

 Well, what i meant is that "love at first sight" is just lust. I do agree they can be intertwined, just that lust on it's own is not love. 

Part of the appeal to me is the enviromental suit that Tali have, but also her form (which is different).  I am attracted to women with dark or brown hair, it's attraction, not love, at first at least. 

[Kusy]

Imo love at first sight is the truest love there is and has to stand the ultimate test. Two people (or alien lol) are only atracted to each other by the looks. It's up to how strong that affection is if they can adjust to each other. If they can change for eachother to make both sides happy. You need a spark to lit a fire there. And following that analogy - you can spend hours on building the best fireplace, but if a thunder hits a nearby tree the whole forest can get on fire.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 28 septembre 2010 - 11:52 .

[Someone With Mass]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

I think Tali's face will be shown. I remember hearing that the author of the mass effect books wasn't allowed to describe quarians features in detail. Why would they hinder him in such a way if they never intended to show a quarians face?
Then again the answer could be, because they never intend to show a quarians face.

It doesn't matter so much to me, anyway. I like her because of her character, not her looks.

[Angmir]

Haventh wrote...

Angmir: I have already stated that i will not be dissapointed either way,  both her face  being revealed or not has appeals to me.  Please don't twist my words, if i say something, thats what i say. 

I'll respect that. Sorry if i did. It might have been poor choise of word on me.
And although I share your mind in overal, I know I would be irritating for me to some level to see Tali's face that is vastly diffrent from what I imagine. The same way it is irritating to watch all videos with default Shepherd (he's so ugly). Damn I almost feel jealous when I see this retard laying hand on MY Tali over the net
I fear the same would follow if they drasticly shatter my imagining of her looks. (I dont wont to even think about them changing voice-actress). I am just a human "I am not perfect, but I have purpose."

[Kusy]

Someone With Mass wrote...

TheodoricFriede wrote...

I think Tali's face will be shown. I remember hearing that the author of the mass effect books wasn't allowed to describe quarians features in detail. Why would they hinder him in such a way if they never intended to show a quarians face?
Then again the answer could be, because they never intend to show a quarians face.

It doesn't matter so much to me, anyway. I like her because of her character, not her looks.

Again... Tali has looks. If she would be fat or a Krogan you would consider her character (as a whole, not personality but the character) as compleatly silly... and still you consider (I assume) cute.

Calinstel wrote...
I will not get into a discussion about lust or love here.  Your comments alone state your set views.
Tali's looks drew us to her, but it was her actions and voice that kept us.
I shall leave it at that.

Calinstel, why would I argue with something that I saied just a second ago? Because that's exacly what I said.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:00 .

[Angmir]

Mr.Kusy wrote...
Yeaaah... and white horses, and shiny armors.
You can't split lust from love, one is part of the another. Socialy and psychicaly healthy people do not follow lust without feeling something to the lusted person, but also a healthy and normal relationship can't exist without satisfying the lust. Platonic love is fiction. That mask is Tali's face and the envo suit is her apearence. People find it sexy, people get interested.

Glad to see somebody understands that platonic love isn't going to last, and can't make people happy. Tali understands that - It is the reson why shes so dedicated to find a way to get together with SHepherd phisicaly too. Thats why I rather like Tali looking quite simmilar to Humans, than compleatly alien (Turian like). A bit more alien than asari would be perfect but only just that.

You can't imagine what horrendously difficult live would be for femShepherd in long term relationship with Garus, I fear this wouldn't last forever. That's why I'd like Tali being more humane. To make our future relations as plesant as possible.

[JediSoth]

Ah yes..."Tali's Face"....we have dismissed those claims.



While I like to think Bioware is cruel and knows exactly what quarians look like, it's entirely possible the reason authors aren't allowed to go into detail about quarian features and why we haven't seen a real quarian face yet, is that they just haven't finalized the design. This could especially be true if they've already decided it is something we're never going to see.



Actually, I'm not sure which option is most cruel to us.

[Haventh]

Angmir wrote..
I'll respect that. Sorry if i did. It might have been poor choise of word on me.
And although I share your mind in overal, I know I would be irritating for me to some level to see Tali's face that is vastly diffrent from what I imagine. The same way it is irritating to watch all videos with default Shepherd (he's so ugly). Damn I almost feel jealous when I see this retard laying hand on MY Tali over the net
I fear the same would follow if they drasticly shatter my imagining of her looks. (I dont wont to even think about them changing voice-actress). I am just a human "I am not perfect, but I have purpose."

No problem.  A few years back, i think i would have been irritated if Tali's face didn't look like i expected, but since many of my favorite bands have drastically changed playing styles i have learned to just move on, by either ignoring it or finding another fav LI/Squadmate.  My favorite choice being just to ignore, works as long as there are more pros than cons. 

And lets hope that the voice actress stays the same. I hate actor/actress changes on characters in games , movies or TV shows.  Gibbs with another actor than Mark Harmon wouldn't be Gibbs, for example. 

Modifié par Haventh, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:19 .

[Angmir]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Again... Tali has looks. If she would be fat or a Krogan you would consider her character (as a whole, not personality but the character) as compleatly silly... and still you consider (I assume) cute.

I think Mr.Kusy we are in minority here They just wont admit love without phisical interaction at all is bullsh$^. And I'm not saying about sex - this can be avoided (although this can lead to tension build up and can ruin the REAL RELATIONSHIP)

If you think you can love Tali due to her personality no matter how alien she is, and how for from human-looing she is, your probably never been in love and you probably violate all cultural social and moral principals there are.
Lots of people love their dogs, becouse they appreciate their personality just the way there are, but it still doesn't enable then to have full scale relationship with their pets - couse this is just gross.
And I know Tali isn't a dog, she's far more humane than dog - that makes her understandable as love intrest, but I hope you got the point.
What Tali actualy IS, does matter in case of your relationship with her. If Shepherd didn't found her comparable to human females, he would have started romantical relation with her first place.

I can agree love can overcome Tali being ugly by human standards, but only to a degree it is still more or less  familiar to what we expect to see under the helmet.

Modifié par Angmir, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:36 .

[Pacifien]

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Modifié par Pacifien, 28 septembre 2010 - 02:20 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

I think Bioware should reveal Tali's face, but they should do it in a comic. It's totally win-win for them. They wouldn't have to create a face for Tali in game and a comic that centered on Tali where her face is revealed would be guaranteed to sell. People who don't like her face can continue pretending she looks like something else in game as well.

[Iwakura-Lain]

Seems Pacifien censored some posts, so it's kinda hard now to reply to them.

But my point was, I would be seriously disappointed if Bioware ever showed Tali's face. Especially if it looks human. You know, akin to Kirk's highly insulting "We're all human!" remark in Star Trek VI. Infuriating! Besides, there's nothing to gain from it. Either we see a cookie-cutter pretty face, or we'll find out she's got more than just horse legs. Either way sucks.

On a more profound note, Tali, in a way, represents pure platonic love. We love her for who she truly is, not for her looks. We love her voice, her vulnerability, her gentle strength, and her perseverance; and Lord knows what else. Take that away, and what's left is just another face you either like or don't.

[NuclearBuddha]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
I think Bioware should reveal Tali's face, but they should do it in a comic. It's totally win-win for them. They wouldn't have to create a face for Tali in game and a comic that centered on Tali where her face is revealed would be guaranteed to sell. People who don't like her face can continue pretending she looks like something else in game as well.

If they want to be really sneaky about it, they should have like a stealth reveal.  Like leak some concept art or something with text barely implying that it's her.  Then refuse to comment on it.  Then remove the artwork from where it was first posted.

Then it'll be a fun legend for "in the know" fans.

The paranoiac in me likes to think that we already know her face from some throw-away art, but we just don't realize it's her.

[cold52]

honestly...id prefer they did show her face...not because I care for the looks of the character in particular (It was the characters herself that was interesting) I just wanna know what the quarians look like...plus Ive imagined a wile how it would be revealed...a compromise is made between the geth and quarians you see tali walking around on the planet, she then for a short period of time takes off her mask that's when you see her face...of course it isn't for long...since she both is still not able to and more importantly still has a job to do.

but that's just me...wont necessarily be disappointed if they decide not to show it

Modifié par cold52, 28 septembre 2010 - 03:49 .

[Angmir]

Iwakura-Lain wrote...

Seems Pacifien censored some posts, so it's kinda hard now to reply to them.

But my point was, I would be seriously disappointed if Bioware ever showed Tali's face. Especially if it looks human. You know, akin to Kirk's highly insulting "We're all human!" remark in Star Trek VI. Infuriating! Besides, there's nothing to gain from it. Either we see a cookie-cutter pretty face, or we'll find out she's got more than just horse legs. Either way sucks.

On a more profound note, Tali, in a way, represents pure platonic love. We love her for who she truly is, not for her looks. We love her voice, her vulnerability, her gentle strength, and her perseverance; and Lord knows what else. Take that away, and what's left is just another face you either like or don't.

No thsis isnt platonic love. She's right there beside you, reson that you cant see her face is week. There are shy girls that never show some of their bodyparts to anyone. They even restrict themselfs to making love in the dark. Is this make feelings towards them platonic ??

Platonic love is somthing unreal. It's like chasing the sun with the net. You love someone who isn't real, or is so distant and unreachable that it is obvious you can never be together. - thats platonic.
If I would fall in love with Tali'Zorah head over heels - that would be platonic  - as she doesn't exist in real world.
If I would fall in love with girl with unremovable bucket on her head - this is just normal love in ubnormal circumstances.

Some people tends to mistake unconditional love for platonic love quite often.

And I would tell that Shepherds fellings for Tali are so unconditional. After all there are millions of peole that have far worse looking  partners than her. Actualy Tali is incredibly apealing, more so than many of girls I know. There is a catch to it, but I wouldn't say it is that mayor. After all Shepherd have seen her face, and I belive it wasn't evrything he saw ; )

Only Tragic thing in this relation is they must keep their intercursess seldom. But it is more than many couples have already.

And it was totaly worth it

Modifié par Angmir, 28 septembre 2010 - 04:50 .