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TheodoricFriede wrote...

I'm on the side that says that Tali isn't a great military leader. But, shes not a terrible one either.

Don't forget, she was a good enough military leader on Freedoms Progress to know that she needed to work with Shepard to get everyone out of there alive. Haestrom was an ambush, theres nothing she could have done about that.
Its not as though shes not leadership material at all. Shes chief engineer after all.

She could never do Shepard's job, but when it comes to engineering, that's what she's best at. Tali never seemed comfortable having all the stress involved with maintaining a force and control. Better off for her with Shepard.

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We can at least agree that Tali is a better than Zaeed.



Since people actually survive when Tali leads.

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mrsph wrote...

We can at least agree that Tali is a better than Zaeed.

Since people actually survive when Tali leads.


Hes not THAT bad. His whole team only dies in one of his stories. And that was an "Impossible mission."

Oh right...Tali thread sorry.

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TheodoricFriede wrote...

mrsph wrote...

We can at least agree that Tali is a better than Zaeed.

Since people actually survive when Tali leads.


Hes not THAT bad. His whole team only dies in one of his stories. And that was an "Impossible mission."

Oh right...Tali thread sorry.

Well, one Zaeed reference wont kill it.

Anyways back to Tali..

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God Forbid, but if the Council started going after the quarians (and Tali), whose side would you be on?



For me, Shepard would make them regret every second of it.

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If the council went after the Quarians, I would support the Quarians until the entire Migrant Fleet is 'parked' around the Citadel among the burning corpses of the Citadel defence force.



Seriously, aside from the Reaper fleet and possibly the Geth, the Quarians have the largest know fleet in the galaxy. As stupid as the Council is, they would not go after them. They know what the consiquenses would be.



On second thought, my Shep would probably just Uber-Paragon the Council into both backing down and re-opening the Quarian embassy if there was ever a conflict.

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Spartanburger wrote...

If the council went after the Quarians, I would support the Quarians until the entire Migrant Fleet is 'parked' around the Citadel among the burning corpses of the Citadel defence force.

Seriously, aside from the Reaper fleet and possibly the Geth, the Quarians have the largest know fleet in the galaxy. As stupid as the Council is, they would not go after them. They know what the consiquenses would be.

On second thought, my Shep would probably just Uber-Paragon the Council into both backing down and re-opening the Quarian embassy if there was ever a conflict.

If not both, we can "persuade" them.

Edit: you have to admit though, Quarians definately wouldnt win a fight like that on their own.

Modifié par camoboy_19, 01 octobre 2010 - 01:13 .


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The quarian fleet may be large but it is really not that big of a threat. A lot of those ships are 300 years old and barely work anymore.

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mrsph wrote...

The quarian fleet may be large but it is really not that big of a threat. A lot of those ships are 300 years old and barely work anymore.

With a little reinforcing from other groups (And Shepard) I really wouldn't want to fight it.

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mrsph wrote...

The quarian fleet may be large but it is really not that big of a threat. A lot of those ships are 300 years old and barely work anymore.


I think the quarian fleet can be formidable as other factors come into play. Han Gerrel talked about him and Rael'Zorah taking back a ship when their shields and weapons are down during a batarian attack. Like what Kal'Reeger said, the quarians have to play smart. 

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camoboy_19 wrote...

And Miranda is the main force behind trying to take Veetor  (Cerberus Cheerleader). It's obvious that it's wrong to take Veetor to Cerberus, and a Renegade Shepard with no soul will do that to Tali.


There are perfectly good reasons to take Veetor. We need more than omni-tool readings, we need to know how the attack started exactly. Did Veetor see a ship? Did the Collectors search for him? How did he hide?

Trusting the Migrant Fleet to inform Cerberus if they uncover something is a huge leap of faith. I trust Tali, but I don't trust her superiors.

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Alexine wrote...

mrsph wrote...

The quarian fleet may be large but it is really not that big of a threat. A lot of those ships are 300 years old and barely work anymore.


I think the quarian fleet can be formidable as other factors come into play. Han Gerrel talked about him and Rael'Zorah taking back a ship when their shields and weapons are down during a batarian attack. Like what Kal'Reeger said, the quarians have to play smart. 

For Quarians, it's not brute strength, you're right. But a toe to toe fight with the Citadel fleet would be inadvisable. If it was more strategically planned to fight ultra disciplined turian army along with asari biotics and salarians... being salarians, there'd be more to it.

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I would figure that along with shepard, their may be Quarian sympathizers, maybe some friendly geth, i doubt that last one.



Absolutely none of the common merc groups, they wouldn't be out for the sake of friendliness

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If BW had included some more Tali friendship dialogue, what would you liked to have? Tali's probably on the same level as Garrus having the lack of dialogue if you didn't want to romance her (she's a bit better than Garrus, since she appeared during Freedom's Progress and have some other dialogue if you mod her in the early stages of the game.

Personally, I would like some friendly banter of some sorts if you decide not to romance her. I think that Tali could be a good character to talk about your current romance options, since I do imagine her to be someone to easily talk about matters such as romance and falling outs.

Modifié par Alexine, 01 octobre 2010 - 02:12 .


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Tali would make a great sismance. Like Garrus and Jacob's bromances.

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Alexine wrote...

If BW had included some more Tali friendship dialogue, what would you liked to have? Tali's probably on the same level as Garrus having the lack of dialogue if you didn't want to romance her (she's a bit better than Garrus, since she appeared during Freedom's Progress and have some other dialogue if you mod her in the early stages of the game.

Personally, I would like some friendly banter of some sorts if you decide not to romance her. I think that Tali could be a good character to talk about your current romance options, since I do imagine her to be someone to easily talk about matters such as romance and falling outs.

Garrus and Tali are definately the two characters who definately need 347% more dialogue, romance or not.

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Alexine wrote...

If BW had included some more Tali friendship dialogue, what would you liked to have? Tali's probably on the same level as Garrus having the lack of dialogue if you didn't want to romance her (she's a bit better than Garrus, since she appeared during Freedom's Progress and have some other dialogue if you mod her in the early stages of the game.

Personally, I would like some friendly banter of some sorts if you decide not to romance her. I think that Tali could be a good character to talk about your current romance options, since I do imagine her to be someone to easily talk about matters such as romance and falling outs.


I agree with the first part, but going to Tali for romantic advice? She can't even write a formal letter to the relatives of the deceased. She had to watch vids about courtship and romance for another species. She would be good to chat up topics like tech and whatnot, or reminisce about topics that were vague during the storylines. Maybe about dark energy? Things such as romance, however, she has little experience with (until Shepard intervenes that is lol)

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LordPennlocke wrote...

Alexine wrote...

If BW had included some more Tali friendship dialogue, what would you liked to have? Tali's probably on the same level as Garrus having the lack of dialogue if you didn't want to romance her (she's a bit better than Garrus, since she appeared during Freedom's Progress and have some other dialogue if you mod her in the early stages of the game.

Personally, I would like some friendly banter of some sorts if you decide not to romance her. I think that Tali could be a good character to talk about your current romance options, since I do imagine her to be someone to easily talk about matters such as romance and falling outs.


I agree with the first part, but going to Tali for romantic advice? She can't even write a formal letter to the relatives of the deceased. She had to watch vids about courtship and romance for another species. She would be good to chat up topics like tech and whatnot, or reminisce about topics that were vague during the storylines. Maybe about dark energy? Things such as romance, however, she has little experience with (until Shepard intervenes that is lol)

Tali can talk about romance as long as it's about her and Shepard lol

That's the best kind, afterall :D

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camoboy_19 wrote...Tali can talk about romance as long as it's about her and Shepard lol

That's the best kind, afterall :D


True that. More fluff is always nice. Maybe some inappropriate innuendo during combat situations.

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I do see FemShep and Tali talking about FemShep's love interests to be honest. But I do agree that talking about the ManShep romancing Miranda/Jack/Ashley/Liara would have been highly inappropriate.

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LordPennlocke wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...Tali can talk about romance as long as it's about her and Shepard lol

That's the best kind, afterall :D


True that. More fluff is always nice. Maybe some inappropriate innuendo during combat situations.

You heard us Bioware, do it lol

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Alexine wrote...

I do see FemShep and Tali talking about FemShep's love interests to be honest. But I do agree that talking about the ManShep romancing Miranda/Jack/Ashley/Liara would have been highly inappropriate.

I can't even visualize romancing those people.

I can talk to Liara about it apparantly, revenge and power seem to fixed her insanity.

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Alexine wrote...

I do see FemShep and Tali talking about FemShep's love interests to be honest. But I do agree that talking about the ManShep romancing Miranda/Jack/Ashley/Liara would have been highly inappropriate.


I agree with the FemShep thing then. A socalled sismance as someone mentioned earlier lol. Tali's a likeable person, having 'girl' talks with her sounds like something she'd enjoy herself.

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Why doesn't Garrus give me bro talks? Lol



You should be able to just make random small talk with Tali, though. Zaeed and Kasumi are good models for it, but it would definitely have to be more detailed/integrated IMO.

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camoboy_19 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

The quarian fleet may be large but it is really not that big of a threat. A lot of those ships are 300 years old and barely work anymore.

With a little reinforcing from other groups (And Shepard) I really wouldn't want to fight it.


Quarians are weak for standard military open war, even Kal'Reegar admited that to Shep. They may have big fleet (by the number of ships) but that doesn't mean they are ready for war.

Think about what you are saying, quarians vs. (humans + turians +asari + salarians), what is the probability of survival for quarians? quarians even didn't manage to launch a succesful counterstrike againts geth who took control of Alarei...

Modifié par snfonseka, 01 octobre 2010 - 03:25 .