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[NuclearBuddha]

Andaius20 wrote...
They seemed to be friends, judging on how he responded to her while in the boarding scene.

You sure you're not talking about Kar'Danna?  He's the guy that meets them coming off the Normandy.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 07 octobre 2010 - 04:10 .

[Andaius20]

Memory must be rusty but didn't the Captain, tell Tali that while she was supposed to be under lock down she was free to roam the ship?

[camoboy_19]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

So, what's everyone's opinion of the admirals in Tali's loyalty mission?

Xen is dangerous crazy and will defenatly be an enemy in ME3, but i would love to side with her in a renegade game provided Tali sides with me.

Garrel is the nice one but i think thats a dupe. I dont think he realises just how dangerous his views are.

Korris is a Bosh'tet, but, he also has the right idea with peace. This plays into the aformentioned dupe of bioware mAking the friendly person the whong choice. They did something similar in Dragon Age.

I think Bioware made the guy who's on your side be the one who wants blood and the guy we dub as an a-hole the one who just wants peace intentionally; Xen, she just needs to be shot by Shepard.

For me, Gerrel is friendly, but he wants to take the homeworld in the wrong way, the way that may even destroy the quarians. Korris has the right idea, but he takes the idea of peace too far for my tastes. I'd prefer a firm set of negotiations for a coexisting alliance between the quarians and the geth. They have so much in common!

I'm sure it will be a Paragon/Renegade option between Alliance with Geth/ Xen's crazy idea.

[General Douchington]

camoboy_19 wrote...

So, what's everyone's opinion of the admirals in Tali's loyalty mission?

Koris: Acted like a real ******, I want to break his visor and punch him in the face.

Gerrel: Seemed liked a decent guy, although I don't know about his ideas for war. Oh yeah, and Simon Templeman is the MAN.

Xen: Bat**** insane, I don't like her, she may become a problem in the future.

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
They seemed to be friends, judging on how he responded to her while in the boarding scene.

You sure you're not talking about Kar'Danna?  He's the guy that meets them coming off the Normandy.

-snip-

Well, Gerrel was an old friend of her father, and it did seem they had some history, too.

Shepard's face. What is this I don't even

Modifié par General Douchington, 07 octobre 2010 - 04:19 .

[General Douchington]

Double post, brolio.

Modifié par General Douchington, 07 octobre 2010 - 04:18 .

[camoboy_19]

General Douchington wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...

So, what's everyone's opinion of the admirals in Tali's loyalty mission?

Koris: Acted like a real ******, I want to break his visor and punch him in the face.

Gerrel: Seemed liked a decent guy, although I don't know about his ideas for war. Oh yeah, and Simon Templeman is the MAN.

Xen: Bat**** insane, I don't like her, she may become a problem in the future.

Had similar feelings about Korris, of course I'd probably would have taken it far enough to take his helmet minus his head as a trophy

Gerrel needs to really reconsider his political views, that's for sure.

It's Batts **** Crazy, now. but yeah, she is.

[sergio71785]

I get the impressoin Gerrel and Tali get along very well. In some ways, I could even see her kind of seeing him as an uncle.



Gerrel knew her father since before they even went on pilgrimage. I'm sure for all of Tali's life, she had periodically seen him every now and then on the Rayya.

[camoboy_19]

I don't understand what is eating Zaal'Koris though; why is he taking out his political agenda on poor, sweet, innocent Tali?

[sergio71785]

Also, in regards to Gerrel and Koris, it isn't as simple as  "Gerrel wants peace" and "Koris wants war"

Gerrel wants the homeworld, which means war. Koris wants peace, which means forgetting about the homeworld. 

That's something a lot of people don't realize, and I kinda blame Bioware, because they didn't do a good job of pointing it out. Most of the pro-war quarians are pro war because they believe that war is the only way to get their world back. No one in the galaxy knows the geth are open to peace, except Shepard.

[Andaius20]

sergio71785 wrote...

I get the impressoin Gerrel and Tali get along very well. In some ways, I could even see her kind of seeing him as an uncle.

Gerrel knew her father since before they even went on pilgrimage. I'm sure for all of Tali's life, she had periodically seen him every now and then on the Rayya.

my take on the relationship too. I mean he even calls her "kiddo"

[TheodoricFriede]

sergio71785 wrote...

Also, in regards to Gerrel and Koris, it isn't as simple as  "Gerrel wants peace" and "Koris wants war"

Gerrel wants the homeworld, which means war. Koris wants peace, which means forgetting about the homeworld. 

That's something a lot of people don't realize, and I kinda blame Bioware, because they didn't do a good job of pointing it out. Most of the pro-war quarians are pro war because they believe that war is the only way to get their world back. No one in the galaxy knows the geth are open to peace, except Shepard.

I realise that but its just easier to write out that one wants war and one wants peace.

I get the feeling Gerrel is going to be a bit of a tragic figure in ME3 if you're a paragon. Hes the nice guy with the wrong ideals. And he seems stuborn as a mule.

Modifié par TheodoricFriede, 07 octobre 2010 - 04:38 .

[camoboy_19]

sergio71785 wrote...

Also, in regards to Gerrel and Koris, it isn't as simple as  "Gerrel wants peace" and "Koris wants war"

Gerrel wants the homeworld, which means war. Koris wants peace, which means forgetting about the homeworld. 

That's something a lot of people don't realize, and I kinda blame Bioware, because they didn't do a good job of pointing it out. Most of the pro-war quarians are pro war because they believe that war is the only way to get their world back. No one in the galaxy knows the geth are open to peace, except Shepard.

The only good way this will end is if you really don't side with either's solution. Diplomacy just doesn't seem to be an option with many quarians because Geth have been their boogeymen for the past 300 years.

[sergio71785]

TheodoricFriede wrote...
I get the feeling Gerrel is going to be a bit of a tragic figure in ME3 if you're a paragon. Hes the nice guy with the wrong ideals. And he seems stuborn as a mule.

I don't think that'll happen at all.

He has no love of the geth, but I believe 100% that if he knew that the homeworld could be theirs without violence, he'd be all for it.

It's Xen who'll be the admiral that'll need to be put down. She doesn't just want a world, like all the others--she wants the geth to be the quarians' slaves again.

[camoboy_19]

sergio71785 wrote...

TheodoricFriede wrote...
I get the feeling Gerrel is going to be a bit of a tragic figure in ME3 if you're a paragon. Hes the nice guy with the wrong ideals. And he seems stuborn as a mule.

I don't think that'll happen at all.

He has no love of the geth, but I believe 100% that if he knew that the homeworld could be theirs without violence, he'd be all for it.

It's Xen who'll be the admiral that'll need to be put down. She doesn't just want a world, like all the others--she wants the geth to be the quarians' slaves again.

Therefor, this is someone who must be shot... preferably with the Widow Sniper Rifle!
I also think that if given an alternative, most pro-war quarians would change their minds.

[TheodoricFriede]

sergio71785 wrote...

I don't think that'll happen at all.

He has no love of the geth, but I believe 100% that if he knew that the homeworld could be theirs without violence, he'd be all for it.

It's Xen who'll be the admiral that'll need to be put down. She doesn't just want a world, like all the others--she wants the geth to be the quarians' slaves again.

I actually think he will side with Xen himself. It'll be Korris and maybe Shala who are the paragon options.
I think they want to make the paragon route a bit harder to want to take.

[sergio71785]

I don't think he'll side with Xen. Hell, Xen doesn't even seem to like him at all, which means they don't see eye to eye on stuff. Gerrel also doesn't like the geth--the idea of the quarians having control of the geth again would probably disgust them. He'd see it as a big invitation for history to repeat itself.

Part of me wonders if Bioware will even give the player the option of choosing whether there is war or not between them. I assume that they'd want all endings to result in the Reaper's defeat, which means you're going to want the two largest fleets in the galaxy.

I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being kinda like Dragonage, in which you recruit the different races for the inevitable conflict.

Modifié par sergio71785, 07 octobre 2010 - 05:08 .

[NuclearBuddha]

camoboy_19 wrote...
I don't understand what is eating Zaal'Koris though; why is he taking out his political agenda on poor, sweet, innocent Tali?

In theory, the stakes of the the argument the ardmirals are having is the survival of the quarian race.  If he's got to burn Tali to save the quarians, he'll do it.  I think that's probably his reasoning.

But at the same time, I think he still votes honestly, which makes him a very surprising character.

[camoboy_19]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...
I don't understand what is eating Zaal'Koris though; why is he taking out his political agenda on poor, sweet, innocent Tali?

In theory, the stakes of the the argument the ardmirals are having is the survival of the quarian race.  If he's got to burn Tali to save the quarians, he'll do it.  I think that's probably his reasoning.

But at the same time, I think he still votes honestly, which makes him a very surprising character.

I don't see why he has to burn Tali of all quarians, especially since she's probably the most important quarian of her time. Koris has poor judgement in my opinion.

Edit: scratch that, ALL of the captains (Besides Raan) are vulnerable to poor judgement.

Modifié par camoboy_19, 07 octobre 2010 - 05:11 .

[camoboy_19]

sergio71785 wrote...

I don't think he'll side with Xen. Hell, Xen doesn't even seem to like him at all, which means they don't see eye to eye on stuff. Gerrel also doesn't like the geth--the idea of the quarians having control of the geth again would probably disgust them. He'd see it as a big invitation for history to repeat itself.

Part of me wonders if Bioware will even give the player the option of choosing whether there is war or not between them. I assume that they'd want all endings to result in the Reaper's defeat, which means you're going to want the two largest fleets in the galaxy.

I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being kinda like Dragonage, in which you recruit the different races for the inevitable conflict.

An army of darkspawn is a tad more manageable than a fleet of Reapers.

[LTAshler]

sergio71785 wrote...

Also, in regards to Gerrel and Koris, it isn't as simple as  "Gerrel wants peace" and "Koris wants war"

Gerrel wants the homeworld, which means war. Koris wants peace, which means forgetting about the homeworld. 

That's something a lot of people don't realize, and I kinda blame Bioware, because they didn't do a good job of pointing it out. Most of the pro-war quarians are pro war because they believe that war is the only way to get their world back. No one in the galaxy knows the geth are open to peace, except Shepard.

I've got a possible solution... (in fact I incorporated it into Awakening) Since the Geth's upload station/dyson sphere is taking them so long to complete, the quarians could help them finish it in exchange for their worlds, not the biggest boost to their ego, but hey, you want your planets back or not?

[sergio71785]

camoboy_19 wrote...
 I don't see why he has to burn Tali of all quarians, especially since she's probably the most important quarian of her time. Koris has poor judgement in my opinion.

Edit: scratch that, ALL of the captains (Besides Raan) are vulnerable to poor judgement.

She's a very well known quarian, just as her father was. And I'm sure their opinions on wanting the homeworld back is also fairly well known.

Thus, she's a good target. People would find out about her getting exiled. Painting people with her ideals in a negative light would be good for Koris' political view.

camoboy_19 wrote...
An army of darkspawn is a tad more manageable than a fleet of Reapers.

Not really--It's all about escalation!

A fight between armies using magic and swords, is the same thing as a fight between spaceship fleets using mass effect shields and mass accelerator weapons. The only real difference is the scope. 

A guy using a knife isn't any more manageable to another guy using a knife, than a 100 ton tank is to another 100 ton tank. 

[camoboy_19]

sergio71785 wrote...
A guy using a knife isn't any more manageable to another guy using a knife, than a 100 ton tank is to another 100 ton tank. 

Depends what kind of tank it is, but I get the idea.

Modifié par camoboy_19, 07 octobre 2010 - 05:32 .

[MadCat221]

sergio71785 wrote...

Not really--It's all about escalation!

A fight between armies using magic and swords, is the same thing as a fight between spaceship fleets using mass effect shields and mass accelerator weapons. The only real difference is the scope. 

A guy using a knife isn't any more manageable to another guy using a knife, than a 100 ton tank is to another 100 ton tank. 

Except all signs point to one single Reaper being able to shrug off dozens of Citadel races' ships.

Modifié par MadCat221, 07 octobre 2010 - 06:50 .

[Troodon80]

sergio71785 wrote...
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Part of me wonders if Bioware will even give the player the option of choosing whether there is war or not between them. I assume that they'd want all endings to result in the Reaper's defeat, which means you're going to want the two largest fleets in the galaxy.

I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being kinda like Dragonage, in which you recruit the different races for the inevitable conflict.

I'm pretty sure that BioWare will give you the option of defeating or not defeating them, it's nearly always been their way to give you at least two possible outcomes/endings.

And I'd be thinking that the recruitment would be very much like a "pre-landsmeet," (DA:O) where you go to all the different homeworlds, or simply just the council.

Also the whole paragon/renegade -- war/peace, quarians vs. geth -- thing, in my opinion there could be a choice, but I'd imagine what you say at Tali's trial will have something of an impact on the choices. It would be good if Tali could get a seat on the Admirality (I'm not discussing how, if or why, or whether she'd make a good admiral -- simply hypotheticaly and it also assumes that you didn't get her exiled...), then Shepard could guide her decision towards something he/she sees fit; Paragon or Renegad, Peace or War.

Since there are two Admirals who favour peace and two who favour war (sort of) then it's likely that the next admiral will break that stalemate. (of course that's all hypothetical), If there's a war I don't see how either race could be available to fight the Reapers (they'll be kinda busy), if there's peace (even an uneasy one to start with) you have the best of both sides.

Modifié par Troodon80, 07 octobre 2010 - 06:57 .

[Toshikii]

Hoodless version. Now looks less like Kasumi .