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[sergio71785]

Radahldo wrote...

is there any reason Quarians masks are opaque other than for the sake of   design aesthetic, on the part of the developers? I cannot think of anything so I figured to ask here.

The Ascension book describes that they like to have their faces covered because it gives them a sense of privacy on the flotilla, where they have so little space. 

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Modifié par sergio71785, 08 octobre 2010 - 12:12 .

[camoboy_19]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

is there any reason Quarians masks are opaque other than for the sake of   design aesthetic, on the part of the developers? I cannot think of anything so I figured to ask here.

Privacy. The average quarian family lives in a 12x12 if I remember right. That's about a bedroom.

I guess you'll take what you get on terms of privacy when it comes to being a Quarian.

[The_Numerator]

LTAshler wrote...

By cutting the camera from the couple after the kiss begins, bioware allowed the player to make up their own ending. They could've gone all the way, they may have only kissed. It's up to each player.

Hmm. To be perfectly honest, that hadn't occurred to me. I'd thought the implicit details of each different romantic rendezvous had been suggested fairly unambiguously, but I do see what you mean.

That aside though, I am a little... wary, of some of the more... conjectural points?

Please don't misunderstand-- I'll be the first to step to the defense of the virtues of speculative science. It's just that, there is always some risk that that enthusiasm may tempt overmuch handwaving.

I mean, anyone who has first or secondhand experience with allergies will tell you, if you'll pardon the pun, that they're nothing to sneeze at. Allergies develop when the immune system responds disproportionately to the presence of foreign matter. What is less well known is that those who are disposed to suffer an acute reaction will suffer gradually more severe symptoms with each successive incident of exposure to the offending allergen.

A bee's sting illustrates the point: The first sting and venom exposure spurs the immune system to develop antibodies, which on the next exposure may result in an allergic response. And in those for whom an allergic response occurs, each subsequent exposure to the toxin triggers a more aggravated response than the previous.

Chronic allergic conditions are more menacing still, as they may develop when either an abundance or particular severity of response to previously acute reactions has occurred. In brief, it would be irresponsible dismiss allergies as just a benign nuisance out of hand.

Although, I cannot speak to the precise effect the hypersensitive immune response of allergy sufferers would have on the immune system's response to infectious agents. But now that I've mentioned it, I do wonder what the answer is.

But if that's unsatisfactory, I also wonder: With what little we do know about the Quarian acute allergic response, does it really make sense that a significant exchange of material, widely, eh.... "distributed", would really result in just the sniffles and a runny nose?

Something to ruminate on, I suppose.

[Brass_Buckles]

Heads up, Tali fans.

I've made a poll you may be interested in.

social.bioware.com/23148/polls/11630/

Basically it involves what role Garrus and Tali will play in ME3 (if any).

Vote away!

[camoboy_19]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

The_Numerator wrote...
With what little we do know about the Quarian acute allergic response, does it really make sense that a significant exchange of material, widely, eh.... "distributed", would really result in just the sniffles and a runny nose?

Something to ruminate on, I suppose.

Two answers. 1) It's a game. 2) Mass effect fields and antibiotics.

That pretty much sums up what we need for Tali romance.

[sergio71785]

 

[camoboy_19]

Where'd you find that pic?

[sergio71785]

I took it a while back.

[PROKNIFER69]

That looks like Jack's loyalty mission.

[The_Numerator]

I see. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I just didn't realize that I was supposed to be toggling the "just a game" switch when convenient.

But, it just strikes me, if all I'm supposed to be doing is explaining my way into her environment suit, wouldn't that just make me some kind of fetishy creep? Maybe I'm just squeamish, but I'm not really comfortable with that prospect. Do I have to treat her like an object? Wouldn't it be better just to retain consistency, so that I could be able to adore her as if she were real, and still get to show her the same respect due a real person, like everyone else is?

[Pacifien]

The_Numerator wrote...
*snip*
But if that's unsatisfactory, I also wonder: With what little we do know about the Quarian acute allergic response, does it really make sense that a significant exchange of material, widely, eh.... "distributed", would really result in just the sniffles and a runny nose?

Not by human standards of an allergic response, but the way it is used to describe quarians is off the mark already with how allergic responses are supposed to work. For instance, using antibiotics work on bacterial infection, not allergies. If you're worried about allergic reaction, really should be loading up on antihistimines and steroids.

Also, allergic responses widely vary from person to person, and I assume quarian to quarian. Why does my friend get asthmatic and his eyes glue shut in response to my cat? Why do I not have an allergic response to poison oak? Some allergies get worse with time. Some allergies you can actually reduce over time through acclimation. For instance, some people use local made honey because the bees would have been exposed to local pollens that are common allergens.

In Mass Effect, they treat ingestion of food with the wrong chirality as playing around with your own death. I actually think that's a pretty extreme reaction to the whole ordeal. If a quarian ingests something that's dextro-amino acid based, they probably run the gamut between mild discomfort to anaphylactic shock. Since the latter is pretty extreme and you never know who is going to react that way, everyone probably plays it safe and says just don't chance it. I imagine quarians walk around with epipens in one of their suit pockets anyway.

Given that she'd spent considerable time among humans on the SR1, Tali probably had a good idea of what she was facing by removing her suit in Shepard's presence and prepared accordingly.

[LordPennlocke]

The_Numerator wrote...

I see. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I just didn't realize that I was supposed to be toggling the "just a game" switch when convenient.

But, it just strikes me, if all I'm supposed to be doing is explaining my way into her environment suit, wouldn't that just make me some kind of fetishy creep? Maybe I'm just squeamish, but I'm not really comfortable with that prospect. Do I have to treat her like an object? Wouldn't it be better just to retain consistency, so that I could be able to adore her as if she were real, and still get to show her the same respect due a real person, like everyone else is?

Shepard knew the risks of an 'engagement' with Tali. He didn't see her as an object to bang, there was a shared history, real trust, intimacy, and utter respect between the two. This is confirmed first by a response to Mordin, explaining that she was important to him, and wouldn't be doing it if she didnt want it herself. Later on, a similar response can be given to Liara at the end of LotSB, further cementing the love between them. And then of course, she stayed loyal to him despite working with Cerberus, even with it's earlier attack on the flotilla.

I understand what you're saying, and don't worry about 'raining on anyone's parade'. 'Tis nice to be able share opinions and discuss them. As for allergic reactions, I'm not a biologist/doctor. Though I was allergic to cats during my childhood, moved in with an aunt that had 7 cats; wore a mask , but eventually had a violent allergic reaction. After that, immune system adapted and have had 2 cats as pets for 10yrs.

Same could happen with Tali and Shepard's relations. She'll slowly adapt and become immune. *Apologies for the personal anecdote.*

Modifié par LordPennlocke, 08 octobre 2010 - 01:44 .

[sergio71785]

You see this symbol a few times throughout Haestrom.



What could it mean?!

[sergio71785]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Caution: Stand back

If that's the case, I want it painted unto Shepard's combat armor. 

Modifié par sergio71785, 08 octobre 2010 - 02:25 .

[wolf99000]

if I remember its also on the fleet ships maybe its a symbol for the quarian people

[camoboy_19]

wolf99000 wrote...

if I remember its also on the fleet ships maybe its a symbol for the quarian people

So, it means "Stand back or I kick your *ss"?

[Eldareus]

sergio71785 wrote...



You see this symbol a few times throughout Haestrom.

What could it mean?!

The Number 9 or as the Beatles once sang. Number 9, Number 9, etc.

[LTAshler]

The_Numerator wrote...

LTAshler wrote...

By cutting the camera from the couple after the kiss begins, bioware allowed the player to make up their own ending. They could've gone all the way, they may have only kissed. It's up to each player.

Hmm. To be perfectly honest, that hadn't occurred to me. I'd thought the implicit details of each different romantic rendezvous had been suggested fairly unambiguously, but I do see what you mean.

That aside though, I am a little... wary, of some of the more... conjectural points?

Please don't misunderstand-- I'll be the first to step to the defense of the virtues of speculative science. It's just that, there is always some risk that that enthusiasm may tempt overmuch handwaving.

I mean, anyone who has first or secondhand experience with allergies will tell you, if you'll pardon the pun, that they're nothing to sneeze at. Allergies develop when the immune system responds disproportionately to the presence of foreign matter. What is less well known is that those who are disposed to suffer an acute reaction will suffer gradually more severe symptoms with each successive incident of exposure to the offending allergen.

A bee's sting illustrates the point: The first sting and venom exposure spurs the immune system to develop antibodies, which on the next exposure may result in an allergic response. And in those for whom an allergic response occurs, each subsequent exposure to the toxin triggers a more aggravated response than the previous.

Chronic allergic conditions are more menacing still, as they may develop when either an abundance or particular severity of response to previously acute reactions has occurred. In brief, it would be irresponsible dismiss allergies as just a benign nuisance out of hand.

Although, I cannot speak to the precise effect the hypersensitive immune response of allergy sufferers would have on the immune system's response to infectious agents. But now that I've mentioned it, I do wonder what the answer is.

But if that's unsatisfactory, I also wonder: With what little we do know about the Quarian acute allergic response, does it really make sense that a significant exchange of material, widely, eh.... "distributed", would really result in just the sniffles and a runny nose?

Something to ruminate on, I suppose.

The difference is that the quarian immune system works in the opposite manner to most others. It 'assimilates' (for lack of a better term) the foreign material, and either breaks it down (if it is harmful), flat out ignores it (if it's inconsequential) or adapts to forms a symbiotic-esque relationship (if possible).

[General Douchington]

sergio71785 wrote...


You see this symbol a few times throughout Haestrom.

What could it mean?!

"Danger Danger High Voltage"

[LTAshler]

The_Numerator wrote...

LTAshler wrote...

By cutting the camera from the couple after the kiss begins, bioware allowed the player to make up their own ending. They could've gone all the way, they may have only kissed. It's up to each player.

Hmm. To be perfectly honest, that hadn't occurred to me. I'd thought the implicit details of each different romantic rendezvous had been suggested fairly unambiguously, but I do see what you mean.

The implicit details are there to allow for the player to decide that they went all the way, similarly, the lack of explicit details still permits the other conclusion.

[Eldareus]

The_Numerator wrote...

I see. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I just didn't realize that I was supposed to be toggling the "just a game" switch when convenient.

But, it just strikes me, if all I'm supposed to be doing is explaining my way into her environment suit, wouldn't that just make me some kind of fetishy creep? Maybe I'm just squeamish, but I'm not really comfortable with that prospect. Do I have to treat her like an object? Wouldn't it be better just to retain consistency, so that I could be able to adore her as if she were real, and still get to show her the same respect due a real person, like everyone else is?

Well, do you not think Tali is capable of having sexual desires herself? I think she spent fair time wanting Shepard, perhaps even fantasizing over him ( some belief the nerve stimuatlion programs she downloads into her suit may in fact for self stimulation). I understand your point about her allergic response and she, herself, explains that a simple kiss could kill her. While the scene does leave it open interpretation I think that the facts suggest she and Shepard complete the union. First, who better to lose her virginity than the man she admires and trusts the most. Second, if she willing to risk death for a simple kiss why not complete the act, since the damage is already done. Lastly, the act takes place before a suicide mission where no one is really expected to survive. If she is a virgin, as the game leads the player to believe, she is facing her possible death why wouldn't she want to experience that ulitimate union with another being before sacrificing herself for the greater good.