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[NuclearBuddha]

This is good to hear. Gonna strip that last point out of AI Hack on Tali and spend it more wisely this time.

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Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[Volrath937]

I'm guessing you've made your own?

I figured the hoods were used out of a sense of modesty over the tubes coming out of the helmets. Like how men go shirtless in public and women (usually) don't. Would be nice to find out if Tali's hood came for her mother, didn't really get much information about her.

Modifié par Volrath937, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:39 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Finding out pretty much anything about Tali's mother would be a treat.

[Volrath937]

Though it'd be amazing if they had Tali ask you about your past a la Liara. Could share stories about living on ships, loss, war, all that good stuff.

Her mother would've been...something'Zorah vas Rayya

Modifié par Volrath937, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:44 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Volrath937 wrote...
Buddha, you mentioned earlier that Tali's translator is in her helmet right? Wouldn't that imply Tali can't understand a word Shepard says when the helmets off?

Only if she doesn't personally understand English (or whatever).  Though I think the translator would be in the omnitool, not the helmet.

Shep doesn't seem to speak all the languages (femShep mentions the translator in the Thane romance), for instance.

But Ascension says that quarians are physically capable of speaking English (not a given with aliens, of course), so it's certainly possible that she understands it as well.

[NuclearBuddha]

Volrath937 wrote...
Though it'd be amazing if they had Tali ask you about your past a la Liara. Could share stories about living on ships, loss, war, all that good stuff.

Her mother would've been...something'Zorah vas Rayya

I proposed a topic a long time ago:  what conflict will move the relationship forward for Shep and Tali in ME3?  Someone proposed it back to me just lately, and I had this idea that maybe the best way to move the relationship forward (since Lair of the Shadow Broker seems to imply it's less tenuous than we originally thought it might be) would be to have Tali (or whatever LI) act as support for Shep as he deals with his past.

This is just my personal dream, but it would be nice.

[Volrath937]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
But Ascension says that quarians are physically capable of speaking English (not a given with aliens, of course), so it's certainly possible that she understands it as well.

Really? That's pretty conclusive evidence quarians have very similar facial structure. It's hard enough to speak foreign earth languages as humans.

[Volrath937]

By sharing herself with Shepard, she's showing as much trust as it's possible for a quarian to show someone. A big "I love you" scene really wouldn't have the same impact as it would with the other LI's. I figured their relationship was pretty rock solid, what made you think it wasn't? That would be great, delving into Shepard's PTSD. Spacer War Hero would probably be the "tamest", with a Colonist Sole Survivor having all kinds of issues to work out. Only problem would be writing a script to account for all variations. 

Modifié par Volrath937, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Volrath937 wrote...
Really? That's pretty conclusive evidence quarians have very similar facial structure. It's hard enough to speak foreign earth languages as humans.

It's not bad as evidence, but the description of the tortured quarian is kind of the be-all-end-all thus far about how they look.  Lips, teeth, eyelids, etc.

But as ppc said, some birds do pretty good imitation without a lot of the equipment humans have.

[NuclearBuddha]

Volrath937 wrote...

By sharing herself with Shepard, she's showing as much trust as it's possible for a quarian to show someone. A big "I love you" scene really wouldn't have the same impact as it would with the other LI's. I figured their relationship was pretty rock solid, what made you think it wasn't? That would be great, delving into Shepard's PTSD. Spacer War Hero would probably be the "tamest", with a Colonist Sole Survivor having all kinds of issues to work out. Only problem would be writing a script to account for all variations. 

Spacer War Hero might be tame, but there's plenty of room there:  after all, it's the only one with an actual parent left.  I know plenty of people are eager to introduce Tali to momShep.  It might be more a celebration of similarities than anything else.  That would be cool, really.

But I'll stick with Earthborn War Hero.

[Volrath937]

Calinstel wrote...

There was a lot of discussion before about the light on Tali's mouthpiece not really syncing with her speech. Could the light actually be responding to when she is talking in her native tongue and the disparity in the flashes when we hear it due to translator lag?

There's no guarantee that Kellish is grammatically similar to English...at all. Even Japanese to English requires switching sentences all around. Unless the translator was programmed to contextually understand sentences as they're spoken, there would have to be a short delay after she spoke before Shepard would understand it. For the sake of gameplay I think they just removed it mostly.

[TheodoricFriede]

Hey its a Tali thread, how delightful!

On the topic of her not speaking a human language, or not understanding Shepard without her mask on, I always imagined that the Translators in the mass effect universe are actually implanted in the brain somehow. Mainly because of their absurd ability to translate things in a way coherent to anyone and every one.

However im pretty sure that as soon ah her relationship with Shepard began, Tali began learning English. Or Shepard could learn Kelish. I think i may prefer the latter.

[NuclearBuddha]

Tali apparently is willing to learn all about humans, even body language. English isn't out the question, that's for sure.

Just kinda sunk in: of course she'd learn body language! It's gotta be important to a completely covered race.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[Volrath937]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Spacer War Hero might be tame, but there's plenty of room there:  after all, it's the only one with an actual parent left.  I know plenty of people are eager to introduce Tali to momShep.  It might be more a celebration of similarities than anything else.  That would be cool, really.

But I'll stick with Earthborn War Hero.

Let's see...
Spacer would have had similar childhood to Tali
A Colonist could relate their loss of parents to Tali, and his hatred of batarians to her's of geth.
Earthborn would've been stigmatized like quarians.

You know, that'd be really fertile grounds to go over. Doubt we'll see something that in-depth and emotional, but it would really hit home hard.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Given all the time they spend around humans while on pilgrimage, it would surprise me if modern young Quarians don't often learn some English (which seems to be the default human language).

[NuclearBuddha]

Tali's sense of belonging and family would likely be enthralling to Earthborn Shep.

[NuclearBuddha]

phonypapercut wrote...
Speaking of which, how exactly would Tali say bosh'tet with a translator active? I can see a word like Keelah not translating, but it doesn't make sense to me that a curse wouldn't have at least a rough equivalent.

Someone theorized once that "bosh'tet" might be a name that over time had become synonymous with some crime or stupidy.  Like Benedict Arnold or something.

[Volrath937]

Buddha: She'd probably be very good at reading body language already, it's all she can go on in the Flotilla.
Phony: Curse words don't always translate across languages. Far as I know, Japanese really didn't have an equivalent to some of our 4-letter words for a long time.

Someone theorized once that "bosh'tet" might be a name that over time had become synonymous with some crime or stupidy.  Like Benedict Arnold or something.

 
Bingo, without the cultural reference "Benedict Arnold" would mean nothing to Tali.

Modifié par Volrath937, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:07 .