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[Shadowomega23]

In ME1 Tali stated a ship wide virus got loss due to scrubber failer. Now if Tali's mother had her suit on it is very well likely she would have not been infected at all. This means at some point she was out of her suit to be infected. ME2 Tali has a comment that her filters can filter out everything biological/checmical/ possible allergen. Unless their retconing didn't get smoothed out enough because there are more holes in it then swiss cheese. Personally I think Tali might be refering to how things are now after said crisses. I know after that it is likely Rael likely had a hand in changing the rules to avoid major population Decline.



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Modifié par Shadowomega23, 12 octobre 2010 - 11:37 .

[Weiser_Cain]

I have no position on this but there are an awful lot of retcons in part 2.

[Eldareus]

There is definately some inconsistencies with the story. If the Flotilla is a sterile environment that was responsible for the weakening of their immune systems why would they need to wear a protective suit on the flotilla. In ME1 it seemed to me that Quarians were in their suits only when they were outside their flotilla. In ME2 it changed to that Quarians were in the suit 24/7 even in their own ships. I 'm not sure I buy it fully, but heck it's just a game so I won't get caught up with the details.

Modifié par Eldareus, 13 octobre 2010 - 12:15 .

[camoboy_19]

Eldareus wrote...

There is definately some inconsistencies with the story. If the Flotilla is a sterile environment that was responsible for the weakening of their immune systems why would they need to wear a protective suit on the flotilla. In ME1 it seemed to me that Quarians were in their suits only when they were outside their flotilla. In ME2 it changed to that Quarians were in the suit 24/7 even in their own ships. I 'm not sure I buy it fully, but heck it's just a game so I won't get caught up with the details.

Well my theory is that the quarians were free from suits for awhile, but as time progressed they needed to wear the enviromental suits more and more often. Eventually, they probably saw more need for the suits, for privacy, and when ships started becoming older they probably wore suits all the time as a precaution.

[Weiser_Cain]

The thing is not much time has passed, genetic change over only 300 years? The more you think about it the less sense it makes.

[Shadowomega23]

Got something you should watch about the Suit filters.




Listen to what Tali says. It is also likely they have rebreathers as well for low or no oxygen eviroment.

Modifié par Shadowomega23, 13 octobre 2010 - 12:51 .

[CptSkull]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

The thing is not much time has passed, genetic change over only 300 years? The more you think about it the less sense it makes.

In human genetics, yes, it doesn't make sense. Quarian Immune systems were weak even before they left their homeworld. The sterile environment made something already weak even weaker.Like astronauts, in space, get weak in muscle cause the force of gravity isn't on them, they also get taller.

Modifié par CptSkull, 13 octobre 2010 - 02:15 .

[camoboy_19]

CptSkull wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

The thing is not much time has passed, genetic change over only 300 years? The more you think about it the less sense it makes.

In human genetics, yes, it doesn't make sense. Quarian Immune systems were weak even before they left their homeworld. The sterile environment made something already weak even weaker.Like astronauts, in space, get weak in muscle cause the force of gravity isn't on them, they also get taller.

Even Tali says that if they got their homeworld back, it would take 60 years to readjust for Quarians.

[camoboy_19]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

camoboy_19 wrote...
Even Tali says that if they got their homeworld back, it would take 60 years to readjust for Quarians.

A rough guess. One that I believe will be irrelevant due to a plot device.

When you think about it, 60 and 600 probably isn't an on the spot calculation as it is catchy.

Mass Effect: thrashing science for poetry in certain situations.

[NuclearBuddha]

The idea of maintaining the entire fleet as a sterile zone is, from the standpoint of someone who works with cleanrooms, pretty ridiculous. As for how Tali's mom contracted the virus that killed her, it's difficult to say: maybe she worked in a clean room where this would have mattered, or was already in one recovering from something else. We simply don't know.



As for what Ascensions says about quarian cooking and such, I think it's worth taking at face value. The codex in ME2 says they procure food supplies for personal use (and often get sick enjoying it).

[camoboy_19]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

The idea of maintaining the entire fleet as a sterile zone is, from the standpoint of someone who works with cleanrooms, pretty ridiculous. As for how Tali's mom contracted the virus that killed her, it's difficult to say: maybe she worked in a clean room where this would have mattered, or was already in one recovering from something else. We simply don't know.

As for what Ascensions says about quarian cooking and such, I think it's worth taking at face value. The codex in ME2 says they procure food supplies for personal use (and often get sick enjoying it).

I never read the books, so I just go on what Tali says and what's in the Codex.

[NuclearBuddha]

I hadn't intended to read the novels, since game novels are rarely worth the paper they are printed on. However, there's nice detail about quarians, the Migrant Fleet, and the beef with Cerberus over the Idenna in there, so I broke down. Haven't read the other ones, though.

[PlAgu3 666]

Tali needs a special melee move with her knife in ME3. I mean come on, Shepard melees and so does Grunt but the one person with an actual melee weapon never uses it. I know it is probably just a piece of sentimentality but still.

[PlAgu3 666]

I liked the novels, Revelations gives you good back story for Anderson and brings in a main character for Ascension.

[camoboy_19]

PlAgu3 666 wrote...

Tali needs a special melee move with her knife in ME3. I mean come on, Shepard melees and so does Grunt but the one person with an actual melee weapon never uses it. I know it is probably just a piece of sentimentality but still.

Melee will most likely not catch on in ME3.

Shotguns work just as well.

[PlAgu3 666]

Still would be awesome to see Tali lunge at a Krogan and stab its in the head or jump on the back of a Prime and stick her knife in its optics, even if it's in a cinematics video.

Modifié par PlAgu3 666, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:32 .

[TheodoricFriede]

camoboy_19 wrote...
 Melee will most likely not catch on in ME3.

Shotguns work just as well.

True but it would be cool for more cinematic kills. If a weak enemy gets too close she could take her knife out and stab them a few times in the side of the neck.

Ive thought of a few of these for all the characters.

[xlavaina]

camoboy_19 wrote...

PlAgu3 666 wrote...

Tali needs a special melee move with her knife in ME3. I mean come on, Shepard melees and so does Grunt but the one person with an actual melee weapon never uses it. I know it is probably just a piece of sentimentality but still.

Melee will most likely not catch on in ME3.

Shotguns work just as well.

I still want to see Tali slice someone's jugular with that knife  Call me grotesque, but it can't be any worse than most of the things Grunt or Shepard, or definitely Zaeed has done. 

I also want to see Garrus LITERALLY blow someone's head off with the sniper. But I still want to see Tali use the knife more. 

[PlAgu3 666]

The only thing that you can blow the head off of is a LOKI but I want to see Garrus make heads roll as well. Actually I take that back, there won't be a head after he is done.

Modifié par PlAgu3 666, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:39 .

[LTAshler]

camoboy_19 wrote...

Eldareus wrote...

There is definately some inconsistencies with the story. If the Flotilla is a sterile environment that was responsible for the weakening of their immune systems why would they need to wear a protective suit on the flotilla. In ME1 it seemed to me that Quarians were in their suits only when they were outside their flotilla. In ME2 it changed to that Quarians were in the suit 24/7 even in their own ships. I 'm not sure I buy it fully, but heck it's just a game so I won't get caught up with the details.

Well my theory is that the quarians were free from suits for awhile, but as time progressed they needed to wear the enviromental suits more and more often. Eventually, they probably saw more need for the suits, for privacy, and when ships started becoming older they probably wore suits all the time as a precaution.

Seriously people, do your research. Tali TELLS us that the quarians didn't have to wear suits at first. Now they do. they only take them off in clean room environs for medical, hygiene or *ahem* intimate matters. Exposing oneself to another among quarians (suit environment link) bears the risk of infection or violent (uncommon) reactions. The ships may be sterile, but they cease to be so the moment a suit breach occurs. (Not the entire ship, just that area)

[Eldareus]

Katsumi needs to teach Tali that shadow strike skill, then Tali could put that blade of her's to work.

[PlAgu3 666]

That would be cool.

[camoboy_19]

Eldareus wrote...

Kasumi needs to teach Tali that shadow strike skill, then Tali could put that blade of her's to work.

fix'd

Anyways, I never thought of Tali as the stealth kind of character. Kasumi is a theif, and depsite Thane's work he can't vanish either (Though he does that thing where when ANYTHING passes past him he disappears behind it)

Does Tali really fit the stealth game?