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[Weiser_Cain]

PlAgu3 666 wrote...

I kind of want to believe this just so Rael can punch Shepard in the face.

I think you have that backwards.

Back to Quarian evolution. Mordin goes on about humans being the most diverse species, which is ridiclous since humans in reality are some of the most closely related animals on the planet, but I digress and anyway that means quarians aren't changing at a rapid rate or they'd be more diverse. It's just another plot hole.

What's more they shouldn't be stuck in those suits on a clean, Quarian only ship. The bit about linking suits getting sick and then adapting means they have an immune system. They have their native plants with them, they should be fine walking around them without a suit since nothing those plants make are harmful to the Quarians, and if I read the wiki correctly are actually beneficial.

[PlAgu3 666]

No, I think that Rael would be pretty angery at Shep just for the 'allergies' he gives Tali. I don't care how cold Rael is, it is parental nature to object when your child does something like that.

[Nilfalasiel]

PlAgu3 666 wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

PlAgu3 666 wrote...

I might be able to cope with Tali having hair on her head but...FUR on her body?*shudders*

Wouldn't be much of a problem--full body wax!

Shepard could even help in some areas.

Well if she HAS to have body fur then this needs to be an option.

You guys probably don't realize just how painful that would be...

But no, no body fur, prz. That would just give the haters ammo the size of a nuclear warhead anyway.

[Weiser_Cain]

PlAgu3 666 wrote...

No, I think that Rael would be pretty angery at Shep just for the 'allergies' he gives Tali. I don't care how cold Rael is, it is parental nature to object when your child does something like that.

It's in my parental nature to not want to know about it.

Modifié par Weiser_Cain, 13 octobre 2010 - 09:29 .

[Alexander TM]

How do Quarians go to the bathroom? Was just wondering this as I was... sittin' on the toilet.

[TheodoricFriede]

Quarians have special sacks built into the suit that allow them to "go" in the suit itself. The waste is discharged at a suitable place when necessary.

[RiptideX1090]

Alexander TM wrote...

How do Quarians go to the bathroom? Was just wondering this as I was... sittin' on the toilet.

This is answered in Ascension.

Flotilla ships have bathrooms that also act as clean rooms.

When outside the flotilla, they have their suits.

[TheodoricFriede]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Flotilla ships have bathrooms that also act as clean rooms.

So they do in fact have bathrooms on the flotilla? I was curious about that for a while.

[Getorex]

Just a quick comment on the error of the Quarian mythos: allergies to anything and everything is NOT the sign of a weak immune system. It is the sign of an OVER ACTIVE immune system - a dysregulated immune system.



Quarians, in order to fit with actual biology, would have to have hypersensitive and overactive immune systems rather than weak immune systems in order to garner the problems ascribed to them. They could get this over active/hypersensitive immune system if, collectively, they were holed up in completely clean environments (superclean ships or suits) and never (or very rarely) exposed to environmental allergens. In this case, their immune systems would never have learned what is rather safe general environmental protein to be ignored vs harmful allergen to be fought, thus their immune systems would fight EVERYTHING because their immune systems are environmentally naive. Their problem would be self-inflicted by living in clean environment or hygienically sealed environment from birth to death. The cycle would be easily broken in a young/infant Quarian by simply exposing them to a complete environment (allergens of all types) virtually constantly - the way most human kids were before parents became clean freaks and when kids played outside in the dirt and grass and trees (and had pets) from the time they could crawl. You see it in human city children who tend to be more allergic and asthmatic (an allergic reaction) than their country brethren (and sistren?).

Expose those baby Quarians and set them free! Of course, at the advanced state of tech in this 22nd century universe, simple genetic engineering could be used to fix the issue too.



This ends my public service announcement.



Just sayin...

Modifié par Getorex, 13 octobre 2010 - 01:04 .

[camoboy_19]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Flotilla ships have bathrooms that also act as clean rooms.

So they do in fact have bathrooms on the flotilla? I was curious about that for a while.

That would suuuck for Shepard... very long visits if you and Tali went back to the Flotilla.

[PlAgu3 666]

I thought genetic engineering was illegal.

[NuclearBuddha]

Tali's dialogue mentions insects and pollination.

[PlAgu3 666]

I don't think that diseases are beneficial, I think it's the pollen spores that cause temporary illness. Diseases can't be cured, as far as I know.

[Pacifien]

PlAgu3 666 wrote...
I don't think that diseases are beneficial, I think it's the pollen spores that cause temporary illness. Diseases can't be cured, as far as I know.

It's not diseases that are beneficial because, of course, it wouldn't be a disease.

But think about what can cause disease. Bacteria. Viruses. Think about what can cause allergic reactions. Pollens. Molds. Dander.

What I believe what Tali was trying to describe (as others have tried to explain) is that Rannoch had little which caused disease or allergic reactions among the quarians because the quarians developed a symbiotic relationship with most of your typical disease culprits. Bacteria is beneficial. Pollen is nonexistent or the quarians became the pollen dispersal method.

Then the quarians travel into space and their bodies are slammed with levo-amino acids, harmful viruses, allergens. Their bodies had developed not to react to outside influences because they were deemed beneficial or benign on Rannoch. Now it's all harmful.

Before Ascension and ME2 came out, I had assumed that quarians were able to live on their ships without environmental suits because their ships were a close approximation of what they found on Rannoch. I was quite disappointed that the developers went another route, likely so they could have you visit the Migrant Fleet while still sidestepping the need to actually show us the quarians. But I'm of the belief that the quarians obsessing over living in such a sterile environment is simply worsening their situation.

But the developers have it a bit wrong on how allergies, diseases, and chirality work anyway, so... whatever.

[PlAgu3 666]

Maybe all the quarians that we saw wore their suits due to the formality of the meeting, they were discussing military and political options that would either doom or free their entire race. Maybe every where else they walk around however they want. Just a guess.

[Eldareus]

That was my impression too Pacifen, I thought the Quarians mainly wore their suits outside the flotilla. I guess how the novels explain the wearing of their suits within the flotilla makes sense. I can't imagine living inside the same clothes 24/7. The hygiene aspects alone frighten me.



It's funny I think we as players want to free Tali from her suit, but it appears Tali is more than comfortable than we with her "second skin". I guess the question is even if the Quarians resettle Rannoch, can they overcome their pyschological dependancy on their suits enough to remove them. The way Bioware is leading their storyline my guess is no.

[NuclearBuddha]

Eldareus wrote...
It's funny I think we as players want to free Tali from her suit, but it appears Tali is more than comfortable than we with her "second skin". I guess the question is even if the Quarians resettle Rannoch, can they overcome their pyschological dependancy on their suits enough to remove them. The way Bioware is leading their storyline my guess is no.

She's cursing the suit, too, in her loyalty mission dialogue.

But yeah, it could be that quarians of the current generation will never really leave it behind even if there is a "cure."

Edit:  Also, a poll or two.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 13 octobre 2010 - 04:57 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Quarians have special sacks built into the suit that allow them to "go" in the suit itself. The waste is discharged at a suitable place when necessary.

Poor Shep. Waiting all that time to get into Tali's suit, only to find a loaded diaper.

[Pacifien]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
She's cursing the suit, too, in her loyalty mission dialogue.

But yeah, it could be that quarians of the current generation will never really leave it behind even if there is a "cure."

I think Tali can curse having to wear the suit, enjoy brief moments without it on, but would inevitably feel wrong somehow if it were off for too long. It could fade with time, but I just don't see a quarian who's lived with a suit for a few years suddenly being able to go suit-free without that constant worry that it will all go horribly wrong at some point.

I do think the younger the quarian, the easier the adjustment, though, just because they're closer to the timeframe when they lived in clean rooms without suits.

[sergio71785]

Pacifien wrote...
I think Tali can curse having to wear the suit, enjoy brief moments without it on, but would inevitably feel wrong somehow if it were off for too long. It could fade with time, but I just don't see a quarian who's lived with a suit for a few years suddenly being able to go suit-free without that constant worry that it will all go horribly wrong at some point.

Yeah, that's how I feel. 

She may curse having to keep it on, and she may greatly enjoy spending some time out of it, but I can easily see her feeling very uncomfortable and 'unsafe' if she goes a long period of time without it.

Modifié par sergio71785, 13 octobre 2010 - 05:19 .

[PlAgu3 666]

sergio71785 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
I think Tali can curse having to wear the suit, enjoy brief moments without it on, but would inevitably feel wrong somehow if it were off for too long. It could fade with time, but I just don't see a quarian who's lived with a suit for a few years suddenly being able to go suit-free without that constant worry that it will all go horribly wrong at some point.

Yeah, that's how I feel. 

She may curse having to keep it on, and she may greatly enjoy spending some time out of it, but I can easily see her feeling very uncomfortable and 'unsafe' if she goes a long period of time without it.

I agree as well.