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[protoshepard]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

LTAshler wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

If Tali is exiled, I do not see how she can not return as a squadmate in ME3. She has no where else to go. Unless Liara recruits her as an agent for the Shadow Broker it wouldn't make sense to sidline her. It seems plausible if Tali is exonerated with or without the evidence in her trial.

I would disagree. She told us directly that saving the galaxy would not be enough to complete her Pilgrimage yet it clearly is come ME2. 

No, it was enough to get her exonerated, her pilgrimage was already complete.

Did you do the Geth incursion missions? Because those were clearly meant to help her complete it and when you talk to her, she says that she hasn't completed it yet.

You have a point. The geth data would obviously help her complete her pilgrimage

[The_Numerator]

Clarification: If I understand, GuardianAngel470 is talking about ME1. Though I'm not sure what point you're making-- Something about appearances being deceiving? LTAshler, though, is talking about ME2.



Unless I'm missing something. But it seems like you're talking past(passed?) one another.



Dammit. Which "past" is appropriate?

[protoshepard]

past is correct.

Dammit. I wish I was not tired right now. I completely missed it.

I am referring to GuardianAngel470s statement about the get incursion missions and the pilgrimage

[GuardianAngel470]

The_Numerator wrote...

Clarification: If I understand, GuardianAngel470 is talking about ME1. Though I'm not sure what point you're making-- Something about appearances being deceiving? LTAshler, though, is talking about ME2.

Unless I'm missing something. But it seems like you're talking past(passed?) one another.

Dammit. Which "past" is appropriate?

My point was that the writers have already retconned a seemingly insurmountable obstacle once so I don't think they are above doing it a second time. In the bridge between ME1 and ME2 Tali gets accepted back into the fleet having completed her pilgrimage, even if you haven't done the geth incursions missions from ME1.

In ME1 she tells you in no uncertain terms that saving the galaxy wouldn't be enough for her people because, if I remember correctly, they don't generally care about what the rest of the galaxy does since they are shunned everywhere they go.

Yet she is accepted back without the data from the missions, and it is implied that it is because of her actions with shepard in stopping Saren. So, as I said, I don't think it is impossible that Bioware would simply wave away her being exiled with their wizard wand and a half hearted attempt at explanation.

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 20 octobre 2010 - 05:16 .

[The_Numerator]

Ah yes, that's all right then. But I didn't take the implication being that she was taken back-- rather, that her pilgrimage was deemed "successfully completed"-- because of her actions during ME1.  I was given to the impression that she managed to scrape something together in the intervening two years while on her own.

Or rather, there was no actual implication whatsoever either way-- We simply came to different conclusions based on what we observed... Interestingly, mine being the less-cynical of the two. That's a nice change. XD

Edit: Or, "would have had to" scrape something together... In the case where you were of a mind to not have assisted her in the first place.

Modifié par The_Numerator, 20 octobre 2010 - 05:28 .

[GuardianAngel470]

The_Numerator wrote...

Ah yes, that's all right then. But I didn't take the implication being that she was taken back-- rather, that her pilgrimage was deemed "successfully completed"-- because of her actions during ME1.  I was given to the impression that she managed to scrape something together in the intervening two years while on her own.

Or rather, there was no actual implication whatsoever either way-- We simply came to different conclusions based on what we observed... Interestingly, mine being the less-cynical of the two. That's a nice change. XD

Edit: Or, "would have had to" scrape something together... In the case where you were of a mind to not have assisted her in the first place.

Nope, I just hadn't fully gotten the hang of the Mako and so didn't finish that mission. Subsequent playthroughs I was much more completionist.

Strangely, I got moreso the more times I played the game. My first game I got to level 43 and after that there wasn't a single character that was below 50.

Also, I took it as the mission with Shepard completed her pilgrimage based on the abundant amount of dialog on the flotilla about her past actions but it is possible it wasn't like that.

[protoshepard]

I don't remember the dialogue for her loyalty mission too well, I do remember looking at the admiralty board and pretty much saying chinga usted. I then showed the data, gained her loyalty, and prevented her from being exiled. I figured that she would find something else while Shepard was out of commission.

[Alexander TM]

I could've sworn that she said she completed her pilgrimage with the data that you gave her.

[protoshepard]

Alexander TM wrote...

I could've sworn that she said she completed her pilgrimage with the data that you gave her.

I thought the same thing. The data seems like the best possible gift she could return with.

[S-A128]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

After time adrift, etc.



I'd like to state that LotSB left me with a better impression of Liara, but that it also reaffirmed the choice I made RE: Tali. That was excellent writing on BW's part. The fact that they gave props to everyone's favorite quarian was a further sign they're doing all the right things.

quarians don't have hair! WTF:o

[Thundertactics]

S-A128 wrote...
quarians don't have hair! WTF:o

Sorry, but how on Earth would you know this?
BioWare has not released any details regarding what quarians look like under their suits, and the face behind the mask is merely a placeholder to give some semblance of a human face behind it.

As such, any depiction of what Tali looks like is as valid as the other, as long as it maintains the basic features (skin of sorts, lips, eyes the same approximate size and at the same location, her general body shape).

Quarians could have fur all over their bodies, hair on top of her head, predator dreads, cilia, scales. Anything, really.

[belwin]

Thundertactics wrote...

S-A128 wrote...
quarians don't have hair! WTF:o

Sorry, but how on Earth would you know this?
BioWare has not released any details regarding what quarians look like under their suits, and the face behind the mask is merely a placeholder to give some semblance of a human face behind it.

As such, any depiction of what Tali looks like is as valid as the other, as long as it maintains the basic features (skin of sorts, lips, eyes the same approximate size and at the same location, her general body shape).

Quarians could have fur all over their bodies, hair on top of her head, predator dreads, cilia, scales. Anything, really.

i agree thundertactics.
it seems more likely that Tali would have hair,
considering Quarians are mammals like Humans.
although, i'm sure this has been dissected to death at some point in this thread.

[Thundertactics]

belwin wrote...

i agree thundertactics.
it seems more likely that Tali would have hair,
considering Quarians are mammals like Humans.
although, i'm sure this has been dissected to death at some point in this thread.

There is no valid theory as to whether or not they would have hair.
But, considering the lack of insect life on Rannoch, with the other animals taking their role in the reproduction of vegetation, it would make sense they have a part of their anatomy that would assist in carrying pollen.
Hair would work for this, but there are other manners as well. (Cilia, miniscule ribbing on their skin, etc.)

Either way, you cannot, under any circumstances, claim to know what quarians look like.
Only if a depiction is grossly innacurate (as in, the quarian suddenly has 6 eyes on his or her forehead, or something) could you actually debunk it.

And yes, everything has been discussed to death at some point, the thread's new rules regarding "discussion" do not help generating new subjects either; hence why most former regulars don't post here unless someone throws blatantly inaccurate or plain silly claims around like S-A128 just did.

Modifié par Thundertactics, 20 octobre 2010 - 11:29 .

[Eldareus]

Tali's placeholder face is very human-like, so I suspect she will share other human like characteristics. However it's speculation on our part since we have no insight into the minds of the developers and artists.

[LTAshler]

My personal hope is that their faces are near identical to ours, if not. I have no desire to see them look alien for the sake of looking alien.

[Nezahoo]

protoshepard wrote...

General Douchington wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

She may leave if you blew the lid on her father's misdeeds

Doing that means you fail the loyalty mission, and she doesn't become loyal.

And well... come time for the suicide mission, well, you know...

I blew the secret and she became loyal to me. It is all in how you do it. Plus, if she is alive, then there is a better chance of the war being stopped. With Tali and Legion, you can have each be a diplomat and with that you have the prevention of a war that would be pointless

Explain just how do you still get her loyal after you explose her father? cause its a great personal Betrayl. Explain this

[Alexander TM]

protoshepard wrote...

Alexander TM wrote...

I could've sworn that she said she completed her pilgrimage with the data that you gave her.

I thought the same thing. The data seems like the best possible gift she could return with.

We were right... it did: If Shepard gave Tali the data from the rouge geth two years previously, then Shepard could ask Tali if the geth data helped her complete her pilgrimage; to which Tali said that it did, which convinced her that even though the Commander now works for Cerberus, it's still the same Shepard.

[protoshepard]

Nezahoo wrote...

protoshepard wrote...

General Douchington wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

She may leave if you blew the lid on her father's misdeeds

Doing that means you fail the loyalty mission, and she doesn't become loyal.

And well... come time for the suicide mission, well, you know...

I blew the secret and she became loyal to me. It is all in how you do it. Plus, if she is alive, then there is a better chance of the war being stopped. With Tali and Legion, you can have each be a diplomat and with that you have the prevention of a war that would be pointless

Explain just how do you still get her loyal after you explose her father? cause its a great personal Betrayl. Explain this

I don't remember exactly how I did it, but there was persuasion tactics used. I specifically remember using the data. She became loyal, but the data was revealed. It has been almost two years since though.

[Shadowomega23]

We don't really know what helped her complete her pilgrimage, it could have been data on the reapers, the fact some Geth followed Saren and the Reapers, or even data on the SR1 Normandy. However it could also be just as likely that the quarians do care more about the galaxy then what was let on in ME1. It is likely Tali did provide some info on the Reapers because in the Mass Effect: Ascension the admiralty board learns that the Reapers where able to alter the geth and the fleet was about to ready a few scout ships to find the Reapers, it also mentions Tali has provided some information but hasn't returned from the Normandy yet for a full report.



As for how the quarians look any fan art is valid till we see a quarian with out a suit. Till then only bioware even knows what they look like, however it is also likely even bioware doesn't have a final canon look yet.

[Weiser_Cain]

Tali was skimming info the whole time, she'd have detailed info on the Normandy 1 along with info on any Geth we encountered, what their tactics are. Info on Reapers.

[GuardianAngel470]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Tali was skimming info the whole time, she'd have detailed info on the Normandy 1 along with info on any Geth we encountered, what their tactics are. Info on Reapers.

So she was a spy. On my ship. Why can't I kill her?

[Weiser_Cain]

Limitations in the game structure. You can not invite her I think, I always did, and the first time you talk to her you can accuse her of gathering information on human ships or something to that effect.

[Spartanburger]

I just though I'd share this theory with you guys.

I'm not 100% sure how I came up with this theory but...

I think that Quarians (At least female ones) have some sort of secondary vocal unit, like secondary vocal cords or something, that would emit a sound similar to a cats purr, but much lower pitched and slightly rumbley. Something that dated back to before they had technology and that ability may have been lost due to lack of use and that Quarians who retain this ability are helf in higher regard than other Quarians. I believe that Tali is one of those Quarians but she didn't know she was until Tali and Shepards... encounter... in the captains cabin of the SR2.

I'm just wondering what you guys (and girls of course) think of this. Its only a theory, I may work it into a fanfic If I ever get round to actually writing more than a paragraph.

[Toshikii]

I made a wallpaper of my Tali, just in case someone wants to use it =).

[Edited to add 1920x1080 version =)]

1680x1050



Direct Link: http://img52.imagesh...lpaper16802.jpg



1920x1080



Direct Link: http://img96.imagesh...llpaper1080.jpg

Modifié par Toshikii, 20 octobre 2010 - 11:24 .

[Spartanburger]

Toshikii wrote...

I made a wallpaper of my Tali, just in case someone wants to use it =). It is a 1680x1050, but if someone wants it I can do it in 1920x1080.

*supersnip*

Direct Link: http://img52.imagesh...lpaper16802.jpg

1920x1080 would be perfect as thats my monitor size.

As long as its not too much to ask for.

EDIT: Perfect, thank you.

Modifié par Spartanburger, 20 octobre 2010 - 11:26 .