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Volrath937 wrote...

Does Tali ever talk to Shepard about losing so many people on her missions? 

a bit when you come to recuit her, she doesn't like losing people.

but she does however blame Prazza the first mission and the Admiralty board on the second mission for losing her people but she doesn't like it.

*looks around the new thread* good to be back.

[Christmas Ape]

Anderson's logged communications always refer to "him" regardless of Shepard's gender. I'm betting someone just wasn't reading closely enough.

[Christmas Ape]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I'm inclined to think this too. I don't think it means much for femshep, but I am hesitant to throw it out precisely because I don't WANT it to mean anything for femshep and I am therefore biased.

Well, for the record, I do want that and I still think it's just an oversight.

But you could also just chalk it up to Tali being inquisitive as a person and wanting to learn about humans since she is serving with them and everybody having a sex drive. It doesn't have to mean anything at all.

If I were serving on an alien ship I'd probably do some research on their interpersonal and mating customs just to make sure I don't do something offensive. Quarians don't have a lot of privacy in their day to day lives; even just adapting to what humans consider "prying" would be worth the effort if it's going to be 'your' ship and 'your' crew for quite possibly the rest of your life.

[Homebound]

After playing the lotSB, I think Tali's crush on Shepard, not dependent on if you romance her or not, is canon. Tali has a crush on Shep!

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Does anybody else think it is weird that Tali's dossier is the same with femshep? I didn't like that. It made me feel weird. And not because Tali might have a thing for femshep. My Shep wouldn't care about that. She'd just be alarmed that she never suspected that in the slightest or that Tali has never said anything about it and thus it has never gotten addressed. It's just this unresolved awkward thing hovering in the back of her head now. I don't know what to make of it. Part of me thinks it is irrelevant but part of me thinks other portions of the dossiers are VERY relevant. I can't just say the stuff I like is relevant and the stuff I don't like is irrelevant. That makes no sense. And then there is the fact that Thane's letter only shows up if he is your LI. I don't know what to think about it.

We discussed this in Clan Z yesterday a bit. I think it's just her being curious, in FemShep's case. Perhaps she's noticed her flirting with Garrus/Thane/Jacob, or been talking to Kasumi. Considering how gregarious quarians are, I don't think it's too far-fetched an assumption. As for the Nerve Stim, it obviously has more relevance in a MaleShep scenario, but in a FemShep one, she's just a gal with a gal's needs! And her hesitation about it is simply her usual "prioritizing other things above her personal needs" side.

But I do agree that I would've preferred it if the research about human courtship was MaleShep exclusive.
Also, I have to say that Rael's alternative letter made me laugh. Especially the land herbivore paste and the immuno-deficient boot

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 14 septembre 2010 - 10:57 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Rael's alternate letter? I didn't get that. Is that a Tali romance specific thing?

 
Lol, no, it's just that someone wrote a spoof on Rael's "permission to join the Normandy" letter, with Rael threatening MaleShep if he should ever treat Tali wrong. It's on the previous page.

Another thought I had is that femshep talks about being willing to link suits and she is completely oblivious to the social implications of that in quarian culture. Maybe Tali thought femeshep was into her and got confused and didn't want to ask about it? So she downloaded some vids and was like "oh man, it's just a friendship thing. That's a relief."

That's also a possibility, yeah. A funny one, too. Although Tali doesn't say anything about "intimacy" to a FemShep, even though she takes the trouble to explain it to a MaleShep. So she might just not be concerned about that topic at all. It's not just FemShep that's oblivious.

[UnDutchable]

Calinstel wrote...

I've discussed this with NuclearBuddha, I have come to the conclusion that I am one of very few who found the suit log insulting in it's exceptionally childish attempt by BW to make us laugh at Tali's emotions and needs.

Yeah, I thought that part of her files was just creepy and sad. Especially after you take some of the Paragon options on her loyalty mission and she got really upset about never being able to be intimate with someone without immediately getting sick. I didn't think it was funny at all.

[Christmas Ape]

Wait...it's funny now? Or intended to be? Okay, I giggled a little at Deluxe Edition, but still. All the dossiers strike me as a little sad in their own way.

Okay, maybe not Grunt.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 14 septembre 2010 - 11:51 .

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Calinstel wrote...

I've discussed this with NuclearBuddha, I have come to the conclusion that I am one of very few who found the suit log insulting in it's exceptionally childish attempt by BW to make us laugh at Tali's emotions and needs.

or it could simply be a mistake in the DLC.

but then again you might be right.

[Christmas Ape]

Calinstel wrote...

The letter she tried to write was sad, the log, childish.
On the same note, Jack's poetry?, Miranda dating? All aimed at making us laugh at the characters for no better reason than just to laugh. I found all that had no place in a game that was more about emotions than any real content to the game itself.

...I'm still not seeing it. The log follows her last mission for the Migrant Fleet, the decision to leave to go with Shepard, the death of her father with concomitant deleting of "selfish" application - and a later "what does it help?" reinstallation - and her coming to terms with 'vas Normandy'. I don't find any of it funny or particularly childish. It's a character arc told in a peculiar format.

Jack's poetry was, I thought, kind of touching - she's trying to express herself. She's still full of sharp things and hot hate, but she's trying. Miranda's dating log is f---ing tragic - she's trapped in her father's pattern.

[Nilfalasiel]

Calinstel wrote...

The letter she tried to write was sad, the log, childish.
On the same note, Jack's poetry?, Miranda dating? All aimed at making us laugh at the characters for no better reason than just to laugh. I found all that had no place in a game that was more about emotions than any real content to the game itself.

Eh...I don't know. I think it stays within the realm of the believable/tasteful. Think about it: if intimacy is a problem for quarians, I think it's only natural that she should have that Nerve Stim installed. Why is it creepy? If anything, I find the fact that she keeps uninstalling then reinstalling it endearing. It shows that she still hasn't quite come to terms with the fact that she's allowed to think of herself every once in a while. Yes, it made me giggle, but not in a way that I would be ridiculing her, and I certainly didn't think it was offensive. Maybe if you consider the fact that the SB was keeping tabs on something as intimate as her internal suit functions though...that's creepy. But not the fact of installing the Nerve Stim itself.

In Jack's case, you have to remember what a mess she is. In many ways, she's still got the emotional development of a child, so seeing emo poetry from her only seems natural, as does her being banned for swearing. Most of her reactions are childish, and it's completely understandable for someone as damaged as she is. So yes, the poem itself was pretty cliché, but if you look at the underlying reasons, again, it's nothing to laugh at.

As for Miranda, again, consider her personality and her position: does she really have time to hang out in bars and pick up guys? Realistically, what would be her options for meeting men? Especially if she's not actually interested in a relationship, but producing a child? Her methods made me chuckle, but certainly not the underlying reality of it.

I really do think that most of the dossiers are chuckle-worthy on the surface, but have a sad element at the core. Samara has mention of bequeathing lingerie, but then has that heart-wrenching convo with her daughters, Thane has a list of very thorough methods for taking out his victims (alternate method for krogan: bomb ), but then has the extremely sad letter, Garrus has a list of music he listens to in battle, but then that chat transcript with his sister, etc. Legion's and Grunt's are probably the most lighthearted ones overall, but even for them, you can approach it from the angle that they're desperately trying to understand a culture that's very alien to them and not quite managing (eg. Legion and the dating sim). Also, Grunt read Hemingway, and I don't know about you, but The Old Man and the Sea made me cry when I read it, so the fact that he actually read the whole thing and then got curious about sharks makes it all the more endearing to me.

Not sure what those vids are that Raga's talking about (I've only read the dossiers on the Wiki, not played LotSB itself yet), so I won't comment on them.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:21 .

[Christmas Ape]

I also thought some of the videos like Kelham hitting a turian with a car

I feel like it's justifying the bad cop routine.

and that salarian getting torn to pieces for lulz were tasteless.

"Yes, Maelon kept trying. Look what it got him. Maybe it would have been better to let Mordin do it." It's about consequence.
I don't think there's any humor built into the videos or dossiers.

EDIT because I mistook one NPC for another.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:25 .

[Christmas Ape]

We're getting off-topic here unfortunately, so I'll merely offer two more thoughts on the dossiers-and-videos-at-large topic:
- I'm with you in not seeking a universal thread of humor through them all.
- The list of things I've seen people on the internet laughing at would turn your hair white.

EDIT: The bad cop routine in which you work Kelham's cheekbones into a bag of wet gravel.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:30 .

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Well, I've certainly seen lots of people on the forums laughing. And when it is stuck in between a bunch of stuff that is supposed to be funny like Jacob sit-ups and al-Jilani getting kicked by a volus, well, it makes me wonder. I don't object to the videos' presence. I object to the video being interpreted as funny. I also interpreted it as dealing with consequences and chose to ignore any intended humor.

That's the thing though: it's not because some of the stuff is funny/chuckle-worthy that all of it is. But that's entirely the responsibility of whoever is looking at this material. I'm not suddenly going to think that a turian being hit by a car is funny, just because there's another vid where al-Jilani got kicked by a volus...It's like the news: you could be having an "aww" inducing piece about a baby elephant's first steps and then an announcement about a car crash that just occurred. You're not going to have the same reaction to both news pieces just because they're in the same news flash. Or I could read The Demons by Dostoevski and laugh at his slapstick social satire, all the while being horrified at the nihilistic violence in another chapter.

But again, I'd need to see the vids to make a definitive statement. And yes, we should probably steer back on topic. My apologies.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 14 septembre 2010 - 12:36 .