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[wizard07]

Wish they would release some information to us , besides the trailer , mainly Tali in Mass Effect # as squad mate and LI.

[Alienmorph]

It will be a long year, for sure. Even when (not "if" WHEN) she'll be confirmed as squadmate there won't be anything that we'll make us sure that she'll survive the events of ME3... we'll have to wait the game and do our best for save our belove alien girl.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 12 décembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[Runescapeguy9]

New from DA

[Aztag09]

wizard07 wrote...

Wish they would release some information to us , besides the trailer , mainly Tali in Mass Effect # as squad mate and LI.

Since they released the trailer yesterday, its going to be some time before we get some information about it.

Looking at ME2, they announced it February 2009 with the teaser trailer, and released the first full trailer at E3 '09, and slowly released material over time. So figure that there will be some material given to us over time, but the majority will probably be after E3.

[MMDCLXVI]

Yea your right, they won't release any new information till E3. If they we going to they would of already.

But more then likely they'll allow you to take back your old crew and or keep the new one. Seening as the main base of the game is around building up a fleet to take back Earth and stop the Reapers.

[Skadhi1]

AdmiralCheez wrote...



Thoughts?

It has been some time since this was originally posted.  Frankly, I think it's
good - both in the technical sense with Photoshop, and in the artistic sense of
representing a possible face image of Tali.

My compliments.

Originally, I thought it really ought to have more facial expression - a smile, or something.
But with those masks, communication through facial expression might be an unused
talent among Quarians.

[Orion1836]

You know, while I would absolutely hate to see Earth lost (and I seriously doubt BioWare would let that happen), it would make for a hell of a scene. Imagine a whole host of Alliance refugee ships jumping through the Charon relay, only to find the Migrant Fleet waiting for them to help fend off the Reapers and get them to safety.

Especially if you've been a Paragon, I think the Quarians would be the first to have Humanity's back if Earth fell.

Modifié par Orion1836, 13 décembre 2010 - 04:01 .

[shumworld]

Alienmorph wrote...

True... with psychos like Zaeed and Jack at her side she looks like a quarian girl-scout, but her characterization is not messed or hudgely alterated.

I don't think she was Altered in ME2, I found her to be more mature.

[Homebound]

Hey guys I just realized...In the next 365 or less days, we will SEE what Tali LOOKS LIKE.



(That or Bioware will reveal to us that it is made up of a bunch of jerks.)



WOOOO!!!

[Kami102]

shumworld wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

True... with psychos like Zaeed and Jack at her side she looks like a quarian girl-scout, but her characterization is not messed or hudgely alterated.

I don't think she was Altered in ME2, I found her to be more mature.

Heck yes.  ME2 showed that she can take care of herself -- She was Squad leader  (Freedoms Progress). However, she did show a bit of being inexperienced, as Prazza decided to ignore Tali's orders (to which he and his team got slaughtere by the Mech.

[Alienmorph]

shumworld wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

True...
with psychos like Zaeed and Jack at her side she looks like a quarian
girl-scout, but her characterization is not messed or hudgely alterated.

I don't think she was Altered in ME2, I found her to be more mature.

I said her characterization is NOT messed Simply she looks less cinic than in ME1 'cause there're more villanous person in the team that for contrast make her looking a bit more heroic. But her darker side is still here. Just think about her reaction if you side with Legion in their discussion (I know... no one here sides with the geth, but you migh have see the dialogue on YOuTube) And yes, she's definately more mature, even lacking in leadership.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 13 décembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[Orgelmir]

Ending my long absence from the Tali thread

wizard07 wrote...

Wish they would release some information to us , besides the trailer , mainly Tali in Mass Effect # as squad mate and LI.

I'm curious to see what role the Migrant fleet will play. In Tali's trial, if you tell the council to go to war or that you were fighting for one of your own, the gossip that you hear after the trial is about how hopeful they are to go to war with the geth. However, if you tell them NOT to go to war, the gossip changes to how the idea of war frightens them. I'm looking forward to see how this will play into Tali and ME3.

[Collider]

I hope not too much. Them going to war or not purely based upon what Shepard advised there is a bit much.
Edit: In addition, advocating war or peace IIRC restricts Shepard from saying a lovely line about Tali.

Modifié par Collider, 13 décembre 2010 - 11:57 .

[Runescapeguy9]

Collider wrote...

I hope not too much. Them going to war or not purely based upon what Shepard advised there is a bit much.
Edit: In addition, advocating war or peace IIRC restricts Shepard from saying a lovely line about Tali.

Shepard shouldn't have been able to directly choose a councilor either, but his words carry influence. Just like with the admiralty, I am sure. Tali trusts him, no reason for them not to as well.

[Collider]

mrsph wrote...

Tali/The quarians could aid in evacuating civilians from Earth during the final battle. I think Bring down the Sky foreshadows at least some of this.

How so?

[Volrath937]

Collider wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Tali/The quarians could aid in evacuating civilians from Earth during the final battle. I think Bring down the Sky foreshadows at least some of this.

How so?

Someone says something about how it would take the entire Migrant Fleet to evacuate Terra Nova before the asteroid hits. I think that was just to show how infeasible that course of action would be, though. 

[Troodon80]

mrsph wrote...
Tali/The quarians could aid in evacuating civilians from Earth during the final battle. I think Bring down the Sky foreshadows at least some of this.

I am sure they could help in the evacuation of civilians and non-combatants. But I'm not sure how long it would take. I also assume that combatants(i.e; the military of each nation) will make sure that civilians are evacuated first.

Volrath937 wrote...
Someone says something about how it would take the entire Migrant Fleet to evacuate Terra Nova before the asteroid hits. I think that was just to show how infeasible that course of action would be, though.

Heh, right, evacuating Earth;

Assuming that Earth has a total population of 6,887,751,646 (6.88 billion people) (That is, right now, as a projection. I'm sure it will increase when/if we reach 2185) And that the Migrant Fleet can hold 17,000,000 quarians, that's a lot of back-and-forth.

The death toll on the first week was 7-9 million. That's not a large impact on the total that would still need to be evacuated. Now, we also assume that a good portion of the death toll is military defences(?), according to the trailer anyway (and since we're only focusing on evacuating non-combatants, then it's even less of a dent on the figure that still needs to be evacuated).

Right, we also need to factor in the average time length it would take for the fleet to arrive; a day? two days?

In short, there are going to be serious loses. Not to mention that it is unlikely that the Reapers will simply attack Earth, there are over 700 by calculating the rough average over "x" millions of years, so other species(?) will likely have to attend to themselves before helping humanity.

Right, now the question; How will Tali factor into this? I assume that she will be your link to the Migrant Fleet, that is assuming she wasn't exiled. But at the same time, it is unlikely that BioWare will simply cut your ties to the Migrant Fleet for Tali's exile, remember of course that Kal'Reegar is supposed to be getting assigned to another mission.

But I am assuming that having Tali (not exiled) on the team will speed things along with regard to the Migrant Fleet.

How long will it take to get Tali to the Migrant Fleet, make contact, and assuming that the recruitment is similar to DO:A, what kind of mission will there be? And will it revolve around Tali? (Assuming she wasn't exiled, or perhaps she will be able to get the "exile" status revoked with some sort of mission)

Thoughts?

Modifié par Troodon80, 14 décembre 2010 - 03:45 .

[Alienmorph]

Simply we'll have to redeem her if she was exiled. Unveiling the Daro'Xen's plans and/or achieve peace with geths seems to best chance to do that. If she isn't exiled these two things will have to be done anyway, but probably then will all be easy, 'cause we'll have Shala'Ran and the Neema's captain at our side. Surely nothing less than solve the war with geths will be enough to force the quarians to risk everithing to save humanity.

[NuclearBuddha]

Troodon80 wrote...
Assuming that Earth has a total population of 6,887,751,646 (6.88 billion people) (That is, right now, as a projection. I'm sure it will increase when/if we reach 2185) And that the Migrant Fleet can hold 17,000,000 quarians, that's a lot of back-and-forth.

I'm not certain, but I think the Earth's population is listed as something considerably higher somewhere in the ME stuff.

Anyway, the only thing I have to add on this is that FTL in ME is really fast.  As long as there's somewhere on the main relay net to take people, you're going to be moving fast.

The average speed is like 12LY/day (with a couple hour stop every two days to discharge the drive).  That'll get you outsystem to the Charon relay quick.  And then relay somewhere (instant), go insystem there, repeat process.  The real trick is loading people and dropping them off.

[Volrath937]

Troodon80 wrote...
Heh, right, evacuating Earth;

Assuming that Earth has a total population of 6,887,751,646 (6.88 billion people) (That is, right now, as a projection. I'm sure it will increase when/if we reach 2185) And that the Migrant Fleet can hold 17,000,000 quarians, that's a lot of back-and-forth.

As of the time of ME, Earth as a population of around 11.4 billion. But the Migrant Fleet isn't at max carrying capacity, as we see during Tali's loyalty mission, only at presumed max sustainability. If the quarians offloaded the bulk of their population somewhere temporarily, then I imagine upwards of 40~50 million humans could be transported with each load.  I'm getting those numbers by assuming people are squashed together in every available inch, and oxygen isn't a factor. 

The death toll on the first week was 7-9 million. That's not a large impact on the total that would still need to be evacuated. Now, we also assume that a good portion of the death toll is military defences(?), according to the trailer anyway (and since we're only focusing on evacuating non-combatants, then it's even less of a dent on the figure that still needs to be evacuated).

Right, we also need to factor in the average time length it would take for the fleet to arrive; a day? two days?

In short, there are going to be serious loses. Not to mention that it is unlikely that the Reapers will simply attack Earth, there are over 700 by calculating the rough average over "x" millions of years, so other species(?) will likely have to attend to themselves before helping humanity.

This scenario would depend greatly on when the Migrant Fleet arrives and how prepared humans are for evacuation. With forewarning, I imagine the Alliance and all private companies would be hauling off as many people as they can before the attack. If the attack is sudden, then unless the Migrant Fleet is near Earth already, it would be pointless for them to attempt a rescue. 

If in fact there is warning, and the Flotilla can arrive in time, then the death toll of 7-9 million would make sense for a worldwide count.

Right, now the question; How will Tali factor into this? I assume that she will be your link to the Migrant Fleet, that is assuming she wasn't exiled. But at the same time, it is unlikely that BioWare will simply cut your ties to the Migrant Fleet for Tali's exile, remember of course that Kal'Reegar is supposed to be getting assigned to another mission.

Shepard should be in relatively good standing with the Fleet, assuming he doesn't turn in the evidence, regardless of Tali's exile. I doubt she has the clout to persuade the Admirals to evacuate Earth, but I'm sure having her not-exiled will help Shepard in some capacity. 

How long will it take to get Tali to the Migrant Fleet, make contact, and assuming that the recruitment is similar to DO:A, what kind of mission will there be? And will it revolve around Tali? (Assuming she wasn't exiled, or perhaps she will be able to get the "exile" status revoked with some sort of mission)

Thoughts?

I'm a bit hazy on just how fast a ship can cross the galaxy. But assuming Tali knows exactly where the Fleet is, probably a day or two? 

Since we're talking about species-wide conflicts now, I doubt a theoretical mission would revolve around her, but she may be the focus of it. But she might also be dead, so Bioware may not which to put as much time and effort into fleshing out her character when she might not exist. 

[Troodon80]

Alienmorph wrote...

Simply we'll have to redeem her if she was exiled. Unveiling the Daro'Xen's plans and/or achieve peace with geths seems to best chance to do that. If she isn't exiled these two things will have to be done anyway, but probably then will all be easy, 'cause we'll have Shala'Ran and the Neema's captain at our side. Surely nothing less than solve the war with geths will be enough to force the quarians to risk everithing to save humanity.

Well, I seem to remember Tali herself basically saying that nothing is ever set in stone, so it implies that there may be some way to get her in good standing with the fleet again.

Which also bodes another interesting question; If Tali is exiled (Heh, not in my saved games ᴖ.ᴖ) then would you have to do missions in certain orders?

For example; Tali is exiled, she can't get within (My brain's not working today... what is it 50,000 Km?) of the Fleet without having the Normandy destroyed. Does this mean that you would have to solve for peace with the geth first, before making contact with the quarians?

If Tali isn't exiled, then assumedly, you can simply go to the Fleet and make contact.

NuclearBuddha wrote...

I'm not certain, but I think the Earth's population is listed as something considerably higher somewhere in the ME stuff.

Yep, you were right. It's not quite double. But damn is it a big number...

Population (Surface): 11.4 billion.
Population (L4 and L5 stations): 250,000.

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Anyway, the only thing I have to add on this is that FTL in ME is really fast. As long as there's somewhere on the main relay net to take people, you're going to be moving fast.

The average speed is like 12LY/day (with a couple hour stop every two days to discharge the drive). That'll get you outsystem to the Charon relay quick. And then relay somewhere (instant), go insystem there, repeat process. The real trick is loading people and dropping them off.

Also, another factor of course, is that you have Reapers attacking the ships that come to help. As it has been said before, the Migrant Fleet isn't exactly going to be capable of holding off the Reapers.

But then, this bring us back to the question, will the Migrant Fleet be helping in the fight. Since we now know the Reapers are apparently already attacking Earth, it will be almost impossible for them not to get caught in the crossfire, even if they are only helping by evacuating.

Modifié par Troodon80, 14 décembre 2010 - 04:27 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Troodon80 wrote...
Also, another factor of course, is that you have Reapers attacking the ships that come to help. As it has been said before, the Migrant Fleet isn't exactly going to be capable of holding off the Reapers.

But then, this bring us back to the question, will the Migrant Fleet be helping in the fight. Since we now know the Reapers are apparently already attacking Earth, it will be almost impossible for them not to get caught in the crossfire, even if they are only helping by evacuating.

This in no way invalidates your point about the crossfire but ships are tough to kill when they are just trying to get away.  Because there are no FTL sensors any ship that can make it into FTL is basically home free.  Just wanted to throw out some of the lesser-known/understood aspects of ME.

Any evac ships are going to be sitting ducks when they're loading/unloading.  And trying to move any large amount of (scared) people in an efficient fashion will be very difficult.  But then again, it's a time for heroism and sacrifice, so...

[shumworld]

With ME3 coming 360 days from now. I'm curious to see if Tali will have a new look or stick with what she looks like now with a few tweaks here and there.

[Troodon80]

Volrath937 wrote...
Shepard should be in relatively good standing with the Fleet, assuming he doesn't turn in the evidence, regardless of Tali's exile. I doubt she has the clout to persuade the Admirals to evacuate Earth, but I'm sure having her not-exiled will help Shepard in some capacity.

Would Shepard actually be able to get to the Fleet without some sort of call-phrase? We hear Tali's call-sign in ME2, I assume this would be a necessity if you wanted to try and contact them a second time.

Also, on the assumption, like you said, that Tali could also be *cringe* ... dead, you would need some other life-line to the fleet. Like I said, BioWare usually allows for multiple ways to complete things... Would this possible life-line be a new recruit?

And, obviously, this is also taking into consideration the geth/quarian conflict. If you have no way of holding off the conflict on the quarian side (i.e. contacting them), the both species will be preoccupied with apparent war efforts.

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Just wanted to throw out some of the lesser-known/understood aspects of ME.

Indeed. I was hoping you might. There is a lot still to be understand.

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Any evac ships are going to be sitting ducks when they're loading/unloading. And trying to move any large amount of (scared) people in an efficient fashion will be very difficult. But then again, it's a time for heroism and sacrifice, so...

Yes, that's basically what I meant. If they are stationary, then they'll make easy targets. Obviously, you need to also take this into consideration when trying to calculate the evac response. The more ships you lose (presumably with people already on them) the less people you can evacuate. But then again, I suppose the Migrant Fleet is a prime example of how few people you actually need to keep a species going.

So, this leads to another question; will the Migrant Fleet get any upgrades to help with the response (Shields, armour, etc)? I have heard that people tend to refute this comment, saying that it is unlikely the Migrant Fleet will become directly involved in fighting the Reapers, but by looking at this trailer, they may not have any real choice.

We saw what Sovereign did to the Citadel Fleet. Presumably, they had pretty decent shields, so the Migrant Fleet with 300 ships ranging from (I suppose) 1 year old to 300 years old, they would need something to help, wouldn't they? Even if it was only Tali's shield upgrade.

shumworld wrote..
.With ME3 coming 360 days from now. I'm curious to see if Tali will have a new look or stick with what she looks like now with a few tweaks here and there.

It will be interesting, I imagine that they will probably stick with what they have, but perhaps tweak it a little.

Maybe some higher res textures...(j/k)