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Xilizhra wrote...

Why am I now so fascinated by the idea of Tali being a Spectre... I'm just quite curious as to how things would go. Assuming that she was up for the job, of course...

I'm interested in the idea as well, because it's a good way to discern some of the hidden depths of Tali's personality. It's quite fun to imagine what she'd do in Shepard's situation as a result, and it is illuminating about Tali's character.

[Wiggs Magee]

Just incase anyone wants to read i've started my latest Tali/Shepard Fanfic if anyone wants to read it just go on profile also three others both T/S

[Mixon]

Whether we will see the Tali's face in ME3?!

[Auzden]

i would love to see Tali's face but i will leave it up to Bioware

[Runescapeguy9]

Mixon wrote...

Whether we will see the Tali's face in ME3?!

Casey and the rest of the team's choice, not ours and thankfully not Chris'.

[Auzden]

^^ well said

[LordPennlocke]

That last piece that Rune posted from DA looks nice. Probably the only good looking space elf rendition of Tali.

[FsDxRAGE]

So I was outside watching the lunar eclipse while laying in my backyard and it is like twenty something degrees out. Was awesome and just so you know, I'm running a fever, have a nasty cough, and my sinuses are filled with something I can't even describe. And it was totally worth it....

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Mixon wrote...

Whether we will see the Tali's face in ME3?!

Casey and the rest of the team's choice, not ours

Whatever happens, I hope it is done for good reasons.

[disjunctionreaper]

twilekaoi wrote...

Does anyone think Tali will be romance-able for femsheps in ME3? I've grown attached to her since my playthroughs of ME1 years ago, and was sad I couldn't romance her in ME2.

I don't want to replay ME1 and ME2 with a male character, because to me, Commander Shepard IS female. I hope bioware doesn't leave us femshep Tali fans in the dust...

There is a reason there are Asari, and as far as I'm concerned Tali is as straight as a toilet seat, I swear if they make Tali bisexual or homosexual the internet will explode with fanboys trolling the forums of this very site.
It's just....... thats sick!, When I play either Fem-Shep or Male-Shep I always stretch conversations as far as possible, and having Shepard (Female) flirting with Tali just doesn't belong in ME. Besides Liara as a LI in ME1 caused a huge issue in a country (I can't remember which), I don't think Bioware will go through with it (and I hope not). 

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LordPennlocke wrote...

That last piece that Rune posted from DA looks nice. Probably the only good looking space elf rendition of Tali.

I have to admit that I don't like the idea of quarians being space elves one bit.

[BigKahuna25]

disjunctionreaper wrote...
 Besides Liara as a LI in ME1 caused a huge issue in a country (I can't remember which)

IIRC Singapore banned the game because of the f/f scene.

[VandalX187]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

So I was outside watching the lunar eclipse while laying in my backyard and it is like twenty something degrees out. Was awesome and just so you know, I'm running a fever, have a nasty cough, and my sinuses are filled with something I can't even describe. And it was totally worth it....

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Tali/Quarians looking like space elves? I'm all for Bioware showing Tali's face but if it ends up like that, I'm throwing my copies of the ME games out the window.

[Alienmorph]

Frow the (few) infos we have, quarians should be quite humanoid-looking, but yes... no space elves, please.

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[antique_nova]

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LordPennlocke wrote...

That last piece that Rune posted from DA looks nice. Probably the only good looking space elf rendition of Tali.

I have to admit that I don't like the idea of quarians being space elves one bit.

 i second that and a bi Tali is no no

[Thundertactics]

I wouldn't object to a bisexual Tali if it was properly executed. The chances of that happening are very slim, though, so I don't prefer it.

What's more likely, is a relationship with femShep similar to the one Tali's mother and Shala had, who even went as far as to link up suit enviroments, showing eachother their suitless forms (when Tali was born, but possibly before that as well). But not in any sexual way, rather exemplifying the immense trust they had in eachother, and the friendship they built on that trust.
I'm not saying Tali will get pregnant or anything, but I am saying that it's still entirely possible she'll show femShep her face, even without a romantic relationship between the two. Just a very strong friendship.
Tali's lines of "trust" and nigh hero worship for maleShep are reused for femShep up until the romance switch; which, in this case, can be interpreted as just that: Tali trusts femShep immensely, and respects her tremendously as well, and is perfectly willing to admit it. Though not to show a desire to become romantically involved, as it's interpreted for maleSheps.

The prerequisites for Tali's relationship and the strong friendship for femShep are very close, the main difference between the dialogue for femShep and maleShep being that Tali thinks maleShep is able to see past her mask. She wants maleShep to see her for who she is; not the suit, but the person. She wants maleShep to see her as a viable romantic option, even though she thinks that her suit would be debilitating, and thinks that would only bring harm to maleShep, that he wouldn't, and shouldn't accept that. MaleShep can affirm her wishes; and as a response, Tali is willing to literally show herself.

So yeah, what I'm trying to say is: The relationship between femShep and Tali can have a similar foundation, a similar strength, as the romantic one for maleShep. The difference being Tali's sexual preference; and her correlating sexual desires.

Then again, that's all up in the air until Mass Effect 3, this is just how I see it.

[Xilizhra]

I think it'd be fine if we just considered the modded version, where Femshep can get with Tali, as the canon one.

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Doesn't really matter either way, imo.

[Thundertactics]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think it'd be fine if we just considered the modded version, where Femshep can get with Tali, as the canon one.

This makes no sense whatsoever, retconning removed/modded content would be a rather poor decision from BioWare.
I don't see why people can't accept the fact that Tali is straight, just yet I saw a thread about this very subject in another section of this forum. The ones in favour are arguing how they deserve to love Tali, too, and how those against it are being possesive and whatnot.

Why is it necessary to make Tali bisexual?
Sure, I wouldn't care if she already were (removed content doesn't count); but altering her character, just to appease a very specific segment of her fanbase who simply won't settle for being friends is rather short sighted.
Her sexual preference is just as much a part of her character as anything else, I'm not arguing there shouldn't be any bisexual characters or f/f relationships (as the proponents often seem to assume when this kind of discussion arises), but why does it have to be an existing, defined character?

You like her, I think pretty much every person in this thread does. But we don't like her just because we're able to romance her. I like Garrus, I like him a lot, but I don't find it especially necessary for him and maleShep to have a romantic relationship of any kind.

I do believe BioWare would be able to pull it off if they really tried, turning the serious friendship I mentioned in my previous post into something more.
They could say that, just like Tali in ME1, she wasn't willing to act on her feelings for femShep. But considering that she was already willing to admit her trust and non-romantic feelings in general, this would feel like retconning regardless...

Do you think you would be willing to settle for a strong friendship, to see her face, like I mentioned in my previous post?
I just want to know why Tali has to be a love interest in order for you to experience her entire character, trying to eliminate the optionis. I know a lot of the content is restricted for characters if you're not a specific gender, or if you haven't romanced them. But let's just assume they fixed that, that you can still have a meaningful relationship without being romantically involved. Would that be okay?

[Xilizhra]

This makes no sense whatsoever, retconning removed/modded content would be a rather poor decision from BioWare.

As a personal decision, not a company one, akin to how most everyone here has a personal canon.

Why is it necessary to make Tali bisexual?

Sure, I wouldn't care if she already were (removed content doesn't count); but altering her character, just to appease a very specific segment of her fanbase who simply won't settle for being friends is rather short sighted.

Her sexual preference is just as much a part of her character as anything else, I'm not arguing there shouldn't be any bisexual characters or f/f relationships (as the proponents often seem to assume when this kind of discussion arises), but why does it have to be an existing, defined character?

Because being straight isn't part of her character, and the relationships (including the NerveStim Pro and similar items in the Shadow Broker Dossier) are identical except for the specifically romantic dialogue. Do Miranda and Jack have similar buildups for Femshep? None that I could detect. The bisexual expression was cut out of the game: nothing of the person who was formerly in it was.

They could say that, just like Tali in ME1, she wasn't willing to act on her feelings for femShep. But considering that she was already willing to admit her trust and non-romantic feelings in general, this would feel like retconning regardless...

No worse than preexisting retconning.

Do you think you would be willing to settle for a strong friendship, to see her face, like I mentioned in my previous post?

I just want to know why Tali has to be a love interest in order for you to experience her entire character, trying to eliminate the optionis. I know a lot of the content is restricted for characters if you're not a specific gender, or if you haven't romanced them. But let's just assume they fixed that, that you can still have a meaningful relationship without being romantically involved. Would that be okay?

It's not the fact that I can't personally romance Tali that's annoying me (I already have Liara, and if I'm lucky, Samara) so much as the fact that it was cut in the first place. Had she been designed as straight, neither I nor many of the other people talking about this would care. But she wasn't: she was designed as being bisexual, but the option to express it was cut out and the game we're playing now feels non-canon, and if the trend continued into ME3, it would remain such. I'd accept it, like I accepted Morinth having no freakin' development in ME2, but wouldn't be happy about it.

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Alienmorph wrote...

Frow the (few) infos we have, quarians should be quite humanoid-looking, but yes... no space elves, please.

I agree.
Even with humanoid features, they can easily make quarians look alien. Just look at Thane he literally fits the description of what we know about the quarian appearance so far - two eyes, a nose, lips, and "ears" that aren't like humans'. So, I'd like for quarians to be at least as alien looking as the drell.

[Alienmorph]

Hmm... well, let's me say that I glad that also drells already exist in ME, so quarians we'll have to be different from them too I'd like something different from another scaly alien, besides I like Thane's look.

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Alienmorph wrote...

Hmm... well, let's me say that I glad that also drells already exist in ME, so quarians we'll have to be different from them too I'd like something different from another scaly alien, besides I like Thane's look.

Oh, of course. I just mean in terms of level of difference from human appearance. For example, you could say that the Drell look more "alien" than the asari. I would like the same for the quarians - IMO, they shouldn't just look like recolored humans.

[Alienmorph]

Yeah. I'd like to maintain their face more uman-like, but then there are the ears, the shape of back of the head, the eventual equivalent of hairs (what if they had short feathers instead of them, for example?) and the eventual facial implants that they can have to link theirself to the helmets. There are much possibilities to make Tali with a beatiful face in human canons but still having her general appearance truly alien.

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