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[FsDxRAGE]

Grizzly2O wrote...

I just read a bunch of Tali fanfics, most of which by Knight. I can't BELIEVE what I was missing. In some of them I almost cried, from sadness and joy. Writing pieces haven't done that for me in a long time. It's amazing how detailed BioWare is when it comes to character creation, it makes them feel, lifelike.

He is my favorite FF writer

Leszek, nice drawing btw


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Modifié par FsDxRAGE, 12 janvier 2011 - 07:55 .

[FsDxRAGE]

Guys, they put the Tali romance in the PS3 Mass Effect 2 trailer!

[Grizzly2O]

Well it is the most meaningful one in my opinion. =)

*edit* Anyone know any really good Tali fanfics? I'm itching for a good read, and Google just doesn't seem to know what it's doing. =/

Modifié par Grizzly2O, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:27 .

[FsDxRAGE]

Grizzly2O wrote...

Well it is the most meaningful one in my opinion. =)

*edit* Anyone know any really good Tali fanfics? I'm itching for a good read, and Google just doesn't seem to know what it's doing. =/

*points at sig*
The Creation of Good Memories is a mellow, humorous, and sweet story while Snake in the Mud is a thriller 
That is... if you know... you want to read them

[Grizzly2O]

Oh I do, I do. (quoting Krogan scientist). =D

[knight5923]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
*snip*
And as nuclearbuddha said, quarians will probably have a similar life expectancy to humans, as may turians because theirs aren't mentioned. So it annoys me when people accuse others romancing Tali as being 'wrong' because there are only 5 years between her and Shepard. Also it is just a game. There is a larger age gap between Shepard and Thane. It does baffle me...

I was thinking about this my entire drive to work, so here I go with a friggin thesis paper lol

*takes deep breath*

Herein lies the one true sticky wicket in dealing with differentiating lifespans, specifically, in Tali's case: Until there is a concrete lifespan for Quarians, there really can be no argument at all, as we're dealing with an obvious unknown. Likely, Tali's lifespan is somewhere in the range of ME Humans (somewhere between 100-200 probably), since Bioware didn't feel it necessary to point out that their lifespan was extreme in any way, like the Salarians or Asari. In that case, the age difference is apparent.
But lets suppose, for a moment, that it is in the extreme, since it is an unknown. Let's suppose that it's similar to Salarians (avg lifespan of 40 years). Then, dealing purely in ratios, we can compare the two directly. Shepard, at 31 years of age in ME2, with a lifespan of 150 years, has lived just over 1/5th of his life. Tali,  at 24, with a hypothetical lifepspan of 40, would have lived more than 1/2 of her life already. Putting them both on the same scale, in this instance, it would be like Shepard, at 31, dating a 75 year old. Again, this is purely hypothetical, but it does put things into perspective, and show how pointless it can be to argue the age difference when Tali's lifespan is unknown.

What's always seemed odd to me is that one of the main criticism of the Shep/Tali relationship is the "eww he's too old" argument, and yet I've never heard anyone apply the same to the Shep/Liara relationship, in which, based solely on ratios, Shepard is absolutely robbing the cradle. As previously stated, Shepard, at 31, has lived apprx 1/5th of his life. Liara, at 108, with a 1000 year lifespan, has lived over 1/10th of her life. Put on the same scale, that would be like Shepard, at 31, dating a 15 year old girl.

However, falling back on my background in anthropology, the most important point to make in this argument is this:
We, as outsiders, are not qualified to judge what is right and what is wrong. We're dealing with two different species, and two different cultures, which could (and almost certainly do) have widely differing views and opinions on physical, mental or spiritual maturity, regardless of age or lifespan. To view a social interaction from our cultural prepective and to say that it is fundamentally wrong is purely a function of cultural bias and  ethnocentrism. The only people qualified to decide what is and isn't appropriate is those involved in those cultures, and even more so, those involved in those relationships.

Which is a long-winded way of saying if both Tali and Shepard say it's cool, then it's cool;)

Modifié par knight5923, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:41 .

[knight5923]

Also, thanks for all the talk-backs, gents;)
Nice to know I haven't been forgotten:D

[FsDxRAGE]

Long post is long. Reminds me of the Golden Days and KFD
*reads*
Edit:
I always thought Shep was still 29 since, well you know, he was like dead for two years

Modifié par FsDxRAGE, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:40 .

[knight5923]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Long post is long. Reminds me of the Golden Days and KFD
*reads*
Edit:
I always thought Shep was still 29 since, well you know, he was like dead for two years

well, that's kind of up for interpretation, and doesn't really effect the numbers anyways^_^

[FsDxRAGE]

knight5923 wrote...


well, that's kind of up for interpretation, and doesn't really effect the numbers anyways^_^

True enough

[magnuskn]

Grizzly2O wrote...

I just read a bunch of Tali fanfics, most of which by Knight. I can't BELIEVE what I was missing. In some of them I almost cried, from sadness and joy. Writing pieces haven't done that for me in a long time. It's amazing how detailed BioWare is when it comes to character creation, it makes them feel, lifelike.

Could you give us a link to those fics by Knight? I'd like to check them out.

[FsDxRAGE]

magnuskn wrote...

Grizzly2O wrote...

I just read a bunch of Tali fanfics, most of which by Knight. I can't BELIEVE what I was missing. In some of them I almost cried, from sadness and joy. Writing pieces haven't done that for me in a long time. It's amazing how detailed BioWare is when it comes to character creation, it makes them feel, lifelike.

Could you give us a link to those fics by Knight? I'd like to check them out.

Click the picture in his sig, it is a link to all of them

Modifié par FsDxRAGE, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:04 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Grizzly2O wrote...
*edit* Anyone know any really good Tali fanfics? I'm itching for a good read, and Google just doesn't seem to know what it's doing. =/

The ones in my sig are likely to be a. different and b. interesting.

[FsDxRAGE]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Grizzly2O wrote...
*edit* Anyone know any really good Tali fanfics? I'm itching for a good read, and Google just doesn't seem to know what it's doing. =/

The ones in my sig are likely to be a. different and b. interesting.

c. every Talimancer must read

[magnuskn]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Click the picture in his sig, it is a link to all of them

Oi. And I looked all over FFnet..

[knight5923]

magnuskn wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Click the picture in his sig, it is a link to all of them

Oi. And I looked all over FFnet..

They're there too, but the only place to get chapters of my newest Tali/Shep FF (which I am continuing, by the way) is here on the BSN;)

[magnuskn]

knight5923 wrote...
They're there too, but the only place to get chapters of my newest Tali/Shep FF (which I am continuing, by the way) is here on the BSN;)

Thanks, I saved the link and will check them out in the next days, when I get some hours to myself.

[D0ubL3 RaiNboW]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Guys, they put the Tali romance in the PS3 Mass Effect 2 trailer!

Saw that, best romance because it was the least expected imo.

[belwin]

knight5923 wrote...

@Belwin
if you wanted to use the fixed version of that banner, here it is:

It doesn't have the Stretch Armstrong Tali arms lol;)



Also, if anyone else wants to use any of my many (many many many) Tali banners, you can find 'em all here

well shucks.
someone posted and talked about me.


thank you sir, i will change this now.

maybe even look at the other tali banners.

EDIT:
nice picture at the top of the page,
prolly one of my favorite tali pictures.

Modifié par belwin, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:18 .

[Grizzly2O]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Grizzly2O wrote...
*edit* Anyone know any really good Tali fanfics? I'm itching for a good read, and Google just doesn't seem to know what it's doing. =/

The ones in my sig are likely to be a. different and b. interesting.

c. every Talimancer must read

Well, I just finished the Snake in the Mud fanfic. Are you the author, if so, great writing mate! Tali and Shepard were captured perfectly. I just finished the first part of the playful, mellow fanfic, great writing again if you're the author! =) Tali and Shepard are again, captured perfectly. 

[FsDxRAGE]

Grizzly2O wrote...




Well, I just finished the Snake in the Mud fanfic. Are you the author, if so, great writing mate! Tali and Shepard were captured perfectly. I just finished the first part of the playful, mellow fanfic, great writing again if you're the author! =) Tali and Shepard are again, captured perfectly. 

Thank you and I am not an author.
Also, those earlier works are really not my best, but I am glad you are enjoying them

Modifié par FsDxRAGE, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:22 .

[Grizzly2O]

Holy crap, "The Creation of Good Memories" is AMAZING. So much love and happiness, it makes my heart smile.

[FsDxRAGE]

Grizzly2O wrote...

Holy crap, "The Creation of Good Memories" is AMAZING. So much love and happiness, it makes my heart smile.

That was the point. I aimed for "facemeltingTaliShepfanfiction"
That was a blast to write. I enjoyed putting every letter on page

[ElectricZ]

I don't mind a little mild character poking(I mean, Miranda going into a gunfight with that uniform of hers and Garrus constantly calibrating?), but unfortunately, most, if not all, of the Tali-centric fics I've read shamelessly and relentlessly bash most/all of the other love interests, especially Miranda and Jack, who are my favorites ingame. So could you nice boys please point me at some good ones that don't bash and are well written?

You might give Second a shot... It's about how an argument between Tali and Miranda nearly escalates into something more serious as other members of the start taking sides. But the story itself doesn't favor one or the other, or go out of its way to make anyone look bad.

Grizzly2O wrote...

*edit*
Anyone know any really good Tali fanfics? I'm itching for a good read,
and Google just doesn't seem to know what it's doing. =/

Your milage may vary of course, but these two of mine have gotten good feedback:
Just Like Old Times - Tali reunites with an old friend after coming aboard the Normandy SR2
Tomorrow's Dawn - After Legion is destroyed, Shepard begs her to search its memory for something that is far too valuable to lose.

Happy reading!

[Grizzly2O]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Grizzly2O wrote...

Holy crap, "The Creation of Good Memories" is AMAZING. So much love and happiness, it makes my heart smile.

That was the point. I aimed for "facemeltingTaliShepfanfiction"
That was a blast to write. I enjoyed putting every letter on page

Just finished The Creation of Good Memories. You captured Tali perfectly! However, I'm sad now that it's over. I hope you decide to continue it, not many Tali fanfics are just romance, most have action/thrills. =)

Modifié par Grizzly2O, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:46 .