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[belwin]

Mesina2 wrote...

Youtube video


Hilarious!

volus4life wrote...


they should have had shepard put the mask back on to cover her face again, lol.

EDIT: TotP.

Modifié par belwin, 28 janvier 2011 - 04:05 .

[Samjin]

^^^^^^^

Made of win =D

[Iclonic]

 So, I have a question relating to Tali's Father....In the case that he did live, what do you think the conversation might be like? Cold? Unforgiving? I would have liked to have seen an argument between these two with Shepard and a squad member (Prefer it to be Garrus, since they are old time buds) starring awkwardly at them or somethin... what do you guys think? 



(Image courtesy of...well...me) 

[MMDCLXVI]

Yea that is an interestion topic, I myelf have wonder for a long time to.



I suppose knowning Tali's father he would more then likely have something to say about the safety of the Flotilla, however seen that he would of lived while everyone else on the Alarei he been killed, he may feel gulty or even some what depressed seening that his actions cost the lifes of the entire crew and a squard on Marines. On the other though he could be more pushed to try again, trying to prove that the Geth could easily take down the Flotilla ship by ship if they don’t figure out how to defeated then now rather then later.



But I could actually see Tali punch her father as much as she would be happy that he is alive, hell if I got the option to punch him as Shepard I’d take it. His a crazy old fool for believe that could content the Geth aborad the Alarei and his actions as an Admiral in damagered the Flotilla and the life of ever single quarians.



But I’d love to see the look on Shepards and Garrus (I brought him with me) while Tali and her father have a arguement, I’d say it would be the funnies thing ever.

[MSparkyPants]

Tali!



/support



Great character, BioWare. I'm rather new here and the three hundred pages I've missed are somewhat intimidating so: anyone know who was/is responsible for writing her in particular?

[Runescapeguy9]

MSparkyPants wrote...

Tali!

/support

Great character, BioWare. I'm rather new here and the three hundred pages I've missed are somewhat intimidating so: anyone know who was/is responsible for writing her in particular?

You have missed closer to 20000 pages. Unless my lack of sleep is getting to me, Patrick Weekes is the main writer for Tali.

[MSparkyPants]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

You have missed closer to 20000 pages. Unless my lack of sleep is getting to me, Patrick Weekes is the main writer for Tali.

Ah, yes, forgot about the other threads. Yipes.
Thank you for the info, been wondering about it a long while

Modifié par MSparkyPants, 28 janvier 2011 - 01:43 .

[Runescapeguy9]

MSparkyPants wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
You have missed closer to 20000 pages. Unless my lack of sleep is getting to me, Patrick Weekes is the main writer for Tali.

Ah, yes, forgot about the other threads. Yipes.
Thank you for the info, been wondering about it a long while

No problem. If you have any other questions don't hesitate to send me a message.

[NuclearBuddha]

Iclonic wrote...
So, I have a question relating to Tali's Father....In the case that he did live, what do you think the conversation might be like? Cold? Unforgiving? I would have liked to have seen an argument between these two with Shepard and a squad member (Prefer it to be Garrus, since they are old time buds) starring awkwardly at them or somethin... what do you guys think? 

Difficult question.  Rael surviving would change the metric of that mission a lot.  Right now a person can say "everyone on the Alarei has already been punished for what they were doing."  If he survived, I'm not sure how a "withhold the evidence" solution would have sat with people.  Hell, I don't know what Tali would have done about it.  Preserving the reputation of someone is different when they're already gone.

It probably would have been an aghast conversation.  I mean, he was sort of doing the whole thing for her, and I don't know how he would have reacted to "this is not what I wanted."  Stunned, maybe.  I'd like to think that just an honest talk between them would have helped:  it's obvious that they both cared for each other, and just never quite got it across in a more healthy manner.

[volus4life]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Iclonic wrote...
So, I have a question relating to Tali's Father....In the case that he did live, what do you think the conversation might be like? Cold? Unforgiving? I would have liked to have seen an argument between these two with Shepard and a squad member (Prefer it to be Garrus, since they are old time buds) starring awkwardly at them or somethin... what do you guys think? 

Difficult question.  Rael surviving would change the metric of that mission a lot.  Right now a person can say "everyone on the Alarei has already been punished for what they were doing."  If he survived, I'm not sure how a "withhold the evidence" solution would have sat with people.  Hell, I don't know what Tali would have done about it.  Preserving the reputation of someone is different when they're already gone.

It probably would have been an aghast conversation.  I mean, he was sort of doing the whole thing for her, and I don't know how he would have reacted to "this is not what I wanted."  Stunned, maybe.  I'd like to think that just an honest talk between them would have helped:  it's obvious that they both cared for each other, and just never quite got it across in a more healthy manner.

renegade interrupt: if tali's father lives, shoot him dead anyway. see if tali still likes you afterwards.

[belwin]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
...it's obvious that they both cared for each other, and just never quite got it across in a more healthy manner.

i agree with this,
the way Rael is protective of Tali,
and the way Tali talks about Rael supports this.
I don't think they would've gotten into an argument or anything, but Tali might've been disappointed over why he was doing everything he did.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Tali would be furious upon seeing her father (this is provided that Tali is still accused of treason and goes to retake the Alerei.) But she seems to be forgiving, so I think the anger would be caused by her worry of Rael being killed rather than hatred of his actions. Tali is hostile towards the geth too, but to a lesser extent than Rael, she does express her horror at the experiments her father performed, but she would recognise that his intentions were to find a new quarian homeworld. And I think that her need for a homeworld (especially now that Tali is often with non-quarians now) would override her anger at the experiments Rael performed.

This is my opinion anyway. Good question

[james1976]

If it were possible to save Tali's father and he lived, I think Tali would forgive him for what he did. I always wondered what would happen if Tali's father lived and Shepard ended up in a romance with her later....one day would he say "hello dad" when seeing him again? Especially if Shepard was trying to help them reclaim the homeworld? Or would her father be mad at her for falling in love with a non-Quarian? Things I wonder but with no way of really finding out.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I think her father will be fine with Shepard. But if he finds out about Shepard allowing Legion on board, prepare for fireworks!

Looks like you and I are on the same wavelength with Tali forgiving her father though.

[Alienmorph]

I can see a really full of anger discussion between Tali and Rael if he survived... besides all his good (?) intentions he used Tali to acquire geth's parts, pushed her in a leadership position that she didn't wanted and that costed lives of many quarians and then left her into an escapegoat position. Following the uses of her people probably Tali would still have trusted him, but surely wouldn't have been an butterlies and raimbows reunion.



And I can't even imagine how Rael would have react to the Shep\\Tali relationship... he probably would have boicotted them in any possible way... her daughter paired with a formers Spectre than now is part of Cerberus? Not exactly something that would have been considered respectable... Sadly we won't never know this... I just hope that BW didn't killed Rael only because there was already a father's confrontation in Jacob LQ...



I'm really curious to find out what Shala'Raan and the other quarians will think of their story. I don't want a soap-opera drama, but I'd appreciate seeying Shepard defendig his relation with Tali against some anti-xenophilia character... quarian or human (coughcoughashcough).

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Hehe! Bless Ash and her xenophobia...

Hmm, you have a point, I am rethinking my stance about Rael on Tali and Shepard's relationship. Although he seems to care for his daughter. He doesn't express it in the way he should, but his intentions are to make his daughter happy, and if Shepard does that, then maybe he will be more open minded...

I think father Vakarian will be more opposed to the whole Spectre/Cerberus thing. But that is a different thread.

Despite what Rael did, and how Tali became involved with his operations, I don't think Rael used Tali. He made it clear in the holovid that he didn't want Tali getting involved, or suffering for his actions, he never expected the geth to take the Alerei. And I think Tali would understand that.

[james1976]

Rael did use Tali true. But she still cried for him in the end and harbored his name against being stricken from the ship logs. Which makes me think she would forgive him. It might have caused increased tension for Tali though.



I could see how Rael would react to Shepard and Tali being in love if Legion was allowed in his crew and further suspect if still with Cerberus. But if Shepard had left Cerberus and never reactivated Legion or Rael never found out about Legion, then I'd hope Tali's father would accept him. I don't see how the title of Spectre, current or past tense, would affect things.

I could definately see Ash's reaction to the situation LOL I'd imagine there would be a few Quarians to raise "eyebrows" if they have them.

[Alienmorph]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Hehe! Bless Ash and her xenophobia...
Hmm, you have a point, I am rethinking my stance about Rael on Tali and Shepard's relationship. Although he seems to care for his daughter. He doesn't express it in the way he should, but his intentions are to make his daughter happy, and if Shepard does that, then maybe he will be more open minded...
I think father Vakarian will be more opposed to the whole Spectre/Cerberus thing. But that is a different thread.
Despite what Rael did, and how Tali became involved with his operations, I don't think Rael used Tali. He made it clear in the holovid that he didn't want Tali getting involved, or suffering for his actions, he never expected the geth to take the Alerei. And I think Tali would understand that.

Rael wanted her daughter happy, but at his conditions. His idea of happiness was making sure that she'll be able to live on Rannoch or making the Fleet a safer place for her, while everything she wanted from him was some demostrations of affection. I think he would have tryed to separate Tali and Shep because of old topics like "You'll thank me later when you'll find someone able to give you a family instead of an alien that can't even eat you same food." And while probably the Spectre status wouldn't be important (quarians too are indipendent outsiders after all) the activities of Cerberus against the Fleet would have been enough to make him ulteriosly doubtful about Shepard.

And also, he didn't use Tali in sense that his objectives were egoistic or so, but surely he manipulated her... for example it's very likely that Rael wanted her leading the Haestrom's squad because anyone else would have questioned more about his researches and the materials he required, while Tali because of her awe for him probably just did her job as quickier and better as possible.

james1976 wrote...
I could definately see Ash's reaction to the situation LOL

"So... you're not giving me a second chance because of that buckethead?"

Damn... I so want a similar moment. I can't imagine Ash reacting peacfully like Liara... and even her has a caustic\\\\jealous outcome in LotSB.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 28 janvier 2011 - 10:03 .

[james1976]

Discussions like this makes me sad we have to wait all year for ME3. So much potential. So many questions.



However, one might question a relationship between a human spectre and a quarian in the chain of events leading up to ME3. But one might also see it as a unifying factor between races, seeing pass their differences to reach a common goal. Miranda said Shepard was "a bloody icon". I could see how that would work for Tali and her people depending on the decisions Shepard made.



Tali's father could be the "You'll thank me later" imagine. But what if Tali's relationship with Shepard was the quarian people's best chance for returning home? Would he feel differently and swallow his pride for bigger things?

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Just for trivia, Liara's love triangle reaction to Shepard and Garrus is:

'So, Garrus isn't just calibrating the Normandy's weapons systems now, is he?'

I found it hilarious, Bioware can laugh at their own expense

However, quarians in general don't seem to be the type who are opposed to inter-species relations. I know this evidence is limited, but the friendzoned turian found it to be pretty much normal, and they were even vids about quarian and cross species relationships.



So I don't think Rael will be opposed to the fact that Shepard is human. He may be surprised at the relationship, but he won't dissapprove. Tali talks a lot about Shepard in her RM, so I think Rael already knows who Shepard is, from his daughters viewpoint, which will be a positive viewpoint no doubt!

[Alienmorph]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Just for trivia, Liara's love triangle reaction to Shepard and Garrus is:
'So, Garrus isn't just calibrating the Normandy's weapons systems now, is he?'
I found it hilarious, Bioware can laugh at their own expense
However, quarians in general don't seem to be the type who are opposed to inter-species relations. I know this evidence is limited, but the friendzoned turian found it to be pretty much normal, and they were even vids about quarian and cross species relationships.

So I don't think Rael will be opposed to the fact that Shepard is human. He may be surprised at the relationship, but he won't dissapprove. Tali talks a lot about Shepard in her RM, so I think Rael already knows who Shepard is, from his daughters viewpoint, which will be a positive viewpoint no doubt!

Well, in the second Talimance dialogue Shepard can asks explicetely "It' can't be that strange for quarians having staying with someone of another species." She generically answers "yes", and then starts speaking about other things (nerve-stims and the fact she prefers to risks and staying suitless with Shep than use them) so it might be like homoseuality in our (real) world... a more commont thing than it's generically thought but still far from being approved by everyone. Quarians seem to be a quite isolationist species, when they're not in pilgramage, so who knows what's the general opinion about the xenophiliact relations?  

[Destroy Raiden_]

The way her fathers personality is towards her is similar to someone I know they would not approve of her relationship with Shepard. I’m sure if she would’ve shown any interest in humans or non-quarians while in his presence he would’ve told her not to bring any such sort home.



Rael is strict and holds her to a standard like no other he also thinks his status is tied to her actions she does something ill fitting of the family name and it reflects poorly on him as an Admiral and father. It’s kind of like being a cop yet having a child who does crime though the father maybe very good at his job his reputation suffers because of his way ward child.



I can’t say how the isolation of the flotilla helps or hurts non quarian relationships but I would guess based off the fleet and flotilla movie that seems to show that quarians are OK with a Turian/Quarain relationship but little else. I’d say they would be a mix of weary and down right hate the idea of a Human with them just because they accepted a temporary Human on one of their ships doesn’t mean after that ship got blown up that they’re willing to accept them again. If noting else the fight between that ship and Cerberus over the young Human on board ending in the ships destruction has only given the flotilla a negative view on our species. Shep can only do so much to heal that one over but I don’t think him dating a Quarian is going to be that healing answer. They may look at it in a use type of way or sometype of fetish on his part.



I would like their relationship to be brought up in ME3 because mainly Tali is very interesting and the fact Shep can date her makes this even more so. I also like the idea of these two challenging the galaxy on just what is a Quarian. The galaxy as a whole believes they’re space gypsies in short always moving and usually stealing. Some worlds go out of their way to make sure the flotilla stays far away from their own resources. I’d like to see on Citadel an npc and that news reporter who has a face of steel both challenging Shep and Tali (separately of course) and BW giving great dialogue choices and responses to what is going on. I’d also like to see the flotilla I’m thinking even if Rann isn’t so found of the idea of her and shep her personality to me suggest she would not say so to their faces. She might pull Tali aside and ask her why and want to know if he is being completely forth coming on what he wants out of their relationship and based off her answers may come around but I’d like to see those both apposed and weary see if Shep and Tali can make them see it more in terms of they’re improving interspecies relationships and views of the Quarians like this. And of course bonus conversations if Garrus or any one of ME old group is evolved!

[Samjin]

Interesting discussion this. One that I have not really thought about until just now.

The way Tali speaks of her father and the quarians as a people, makes me inclined to agree that Rael would not have approved of her relations with Shepard... At all. Being a military man though I am sure he would not have approached the subject on the Alerei as there were more important issues at hand. However there would have been another scene either after the trial, or during the LI dialogs where he would have confronted her and Shepard in person (after trial), sent something along the lines of vidmails, possible holocoms in the briefing room (Normandy), or possibly all of the above. He would also of course have to directly confront them separately. Given Rael's nature as an admiral, his "nothing less than excellence" attitude, and the fact that Shepard is so drastically different from Tali that he cannot even eat the same food as her, let alone having children (adoption aside... Raela ftw), I am sure there would have been some rather interesting moments.

EDIT: Cannot forget about Shepard's new ties to Cerberus at the time. Certainly would make things a bit more tense.

Modifié par Samjin, 29 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[Nodscouter]

Just dropping in to show support.

[Runescapeguy9]

Nodscouter wrote...

Just dropping in to show support.

Thanks for the support.
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