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[Samjin]

Perhaps I am being too critical of him since he has the same voice actor as Carth. Just... I really... Really... REALLY... Hate Carth. When I hear Kaiden talk I always wanna ask him to jump into the nearest air lock. You know... As a science experiment. It will take some work for me to disassociate him with Carth.

[NuclearBuddha]

Redcoat wrote...
(particularly in romantic comedies, the most contemptible genre of film imaginable)

Fortunately, there are characters like Tali whose romance arc doesn't come across like watching an old married couple argue.

Yeeeeessss...

Yeah, sometimes it's okay for a girl to just be, ah, kinda girly.  Makes a guy feel wanted.  That's one of the really nice things about the "I've watched you for so long" speech Tali makes.

[Troodon80]

Redcoat wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Redcoat:  not a fan of tsundere girls.

Took the words right out of my mouth. I see this stock character everywhere (particularly in romantic comedies, the most contemptible genre of film imaginable), and every time their very presence is like nails on a chalkboard.
This rant here sums up my feeling on the "bickering couples" perfectly.

Fortunately, there are characters like Tali whose romance arc doesn't come across like watching an old married couple argue.

I like this post, right here. It makes sense, and I agree with you and the rant to a great extent, if not completely.

I felt like doing some typing this morning, so here it is, somewhat relevant to that post, deviating throughout though;

Some people feel that Tali's romance is forced (I would like to get peoples opinions on this), I'm not sure how they get to that answer, but I honestly feel that Tali's romance is one of the only ones which is based on something; friendship, then becomes something more. Something more than just love at first sight. Not that I'm saying that Jack, Miranda, Jacob, etc, etc are love at first sight but they did only come into the game in ME2, so their feeling toward Shepard are new.

Another thing you must take into consideration, is that Shepard was presumed dead for two years, if Tali had feelings for him from ME1(which according to LotSB she did), then those feelings would have had time to stew over those two years; thoughts like "I miss him", "I wish he were here," would have been extremely likely(in my opinion the Haestrom audio recordings acknowledge those thoughts) given her apparent feelings from ME1, and, that being the case would appear stronger knowing that Shepard was still alive(i.e. when the met again on Freedoms Progress). Personally, I think it all fits together, and I think it fits well to make one of the more believable, long lasting characters in the game.

But as was said, this doesn't mean that Tali is a doormat, far from it. Comments like the ones that Alienmorph pointed out.

Alienmorph wrote...
The "sugar and sweetness" definition maybe can be applied to the romance... maybe... but surely not to her whole characterization. For example she's the character you save from troubles the higthest number of times but every time all seems to point that she was going down fighting... she trew grenades to the Saren's assassins, she runs for cover on Freedom's Progress only to aid the injured and the bunker on Haestrom is fullfilled of dead geths, but there are no quarian corpses in it, so she killed them. Then there are dialogues like "My name is Tali!" or "Shepard, I rembember to you that those people thinked that enslaving Thorian's Creepers and Rachins was a good idea." or "I'm Zorah, from the starship Neema. And you're an idiot.". It doesn't fit very well the definition of the sweet damsel in distress for me...

She's certainly a softer LI than the others, but again, with everything else taken into consideration, if she turned around and said something like "everyone on Haestrom and Freedoms Progress was collateral damage" then I'd be put off. As it stands though, I think there is a decent balance of badass-ish behaviour mixed with what I would can realistic emotion, to make a well-rounded character.

She shows emotion/anguish/frustration during her loyalty mission, and as far as I remember most of the LIs do show emotion to some extent, and given the news of what is happening to her, (the trial and the possibility of her father being dead) she would come across as uncaring and heartless if no emotion is shown. But, again, this doesn't mean that she is a damsel in distress, it means that she cares.

So, basically, broken down into the most basic parts:

She's caring, but also shows some badass material when the situation calls for it.

Although, naturally, it is opinionated and no two people are likely to see the character the same way.

[Collider]

You save Ashley more than you do Tali, actually. People just don't seem to notice, for some reason.

I do think people focus on the romance too much, sometimes. She's a bit awkward and shy there, but that's almost the only time she ever is.

Tali's romance is actually the most conditional in the entire series so far. She is not a doormat by any means, really silly that people get that idea. You do something wrong, she'll let you know. She's a fierce woman when the situation calls for it.

Modifié par Collider, 04 février 2011 - 10:35 .

[Alienmorph]

Collider wrote...
You save Ashley more than you do Tali, actually. People just don't seem to nice, for some reason.

Hmm... Eden Prime, Virmire and Horizon. Yep they've got more ore less the same number of salvatages on the battlefield. But if we wanna be fussy we have to add to the Tali's list the trial and eventually LotSB if you bring her to fight the Broker. 

Collider wrote...

She's in fact one of the people that can question in the hardest way the Shepard's decision. Side with Legion in their discussion for example, and then have the paragon chat with her to regain the loyalty. She looks like she's almost going to shoot at Shepard before starting to calm a bit.

[Breakdown Boy]

As promised....

Credit goes to JeanLuc761 for the 3D Tali image used in the cover.

Modifié par Breakdown Boy, 04 février 2011 - 11:26 .

[Collider]

Looks wonderful, Breakdown Boy. Great job.

[Homebound]

aww man I havent played masseffect2 in forever! I was messing around with the coalesced file and my saves got corrupted..I had to delete everything..even my me1 playthroughs..Thankfully i had a backup of the coalesced so my game is at least fixed..



What have i missed? Did bioware say they will show tali's face in me3 or what?

nice pic btw.

[garrus and ashley fool]

okay so i am playing mass effect 2 dlc and after i get back talk to tali to see if there is something diffrent  there isnt. i save the game and think maybe i should see what happens if i pick the other response.
i have already romanced tali had the scene and everything and everytime i talk to her shepard says
Shepard: i dont want to hurt you tali but i am willing to wait.

i wanted to see what would happen if i choose the other response and this time he says
Shepard: I cant put you in harms way tali.

i go upstairs to my cabin and find ashley picture face up instead of face down like it was and now tali wont talk to me so can you end a romance even though you had one or is my game just wierd.

[Alienmorph]

Just_mike wrote...

What have i missed? Did bioware say they will show tali's face in me3 or what?
nice pic btw.

Hi, no news about Tali in ME3, but she'll got a new armored suit next week as part of the second Alternate Appearence Pack.

[CroGamer002]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

As promised....

Credit goes to JeanLuc761 for the 3D Tali image used in the cover.

This is terrible!
You can see USD price tag and not Credits!
You are Halo fan child!


/sarcasm ended



This is brilliant.

[Homebound]

Your shep romanced ashley in me1 and you made the horrible mistake of not nuking her in virmire. Then you romanced tali but made the horrible horrible choice of breaking her precious quarian heart. Now you are back to romancing ashley.



congratulations.

[garrus and ashley fool]

Just_mike wrote...

Your shep romanced ashley in me1 and you made the horrible mistake of not nuking her in virmire. Then you romanced tali but made the horrible horrible choice of breaking her precious quarian heart. Now you are back to romancing ashley.

congratulations.

i could never nuke ashley she is a beast in combat and great character and i didnt break up with tali yet at least i just wanted to see what would happen but if it comes down to it i am picking ashley no question there is no way im picking boring kaiden to live over ashley she is the greatest
i just wondered if you could romance tali and end it with her

[Homebound]

you just want the romance scene dont you? Well once that happens, you are officially a couple up to me3.

[Confused_Shepard]

Mesina2 wrote...

Breakdown Boy wrote...

As promised....

Credit goes to JeanLuc761 for the 3D Tali image used in the cover.

This is terrible!
You can see USD price tag and not Credits!
You are Halo fan child!


/sarcasm ended



This is brilliant.

This is the kind of stuff I would have expected from the EA marketing department when introducing new squadmates. But I guess something a fan did in their free time would be too much to ask


Brilliant and fantastic. 

[garrus and ashley fool]

Just_mike wrote...

you just want the romance scene dont you? Well once that happens, you are officially a couple up to me3.

already had the romance scene just wanted to know if you could end it after
which it seems you can which is why ashley picture is up and tali doesnt talk to you after that but i wonder if that is suppose to happen

[Confused_Shepard]

I actually wanted an ME 1 esque sequence of cutscene Tali kicking ass
I expected one on Haestorm with the colossus. Like you have to distract it while she climbs up on top, rides it like a bronco while simultaneously hacking it. She then uses the siege pulse to destroy the last geth drop ship

Or would that have been too much?

I don't consider her a damsel in distress at all. In fact she is incapable of being so thanks to the lore but a little something to shut the haters up would have been nice. For that matter, Grunt needed a cutscene for the HOLD THE LINE segment of the suicide mission. Like ripping through collectors with his bare hands

Modifié par Confused_Shepard, 04 février 2011 - 12:48 .

[MadMapper]

Nice one Breakdown you should try doing other magazines as well!

[Samjin]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

As promised....

Credit goes to JeanLuc761 for the 3D Tali image used in the cover.

=O... Win!!!!!!

I would buy this magazine for twice the listed price, so I could frame it and hang it on my wall.

Modifié par Samjin, 04 février 2011 - 01:12 .

[Breakdown Boy]

Thanks Samjin



I will most likely do other mags on other squad mates, next up would be Thane (lots of fanart to work with), also the most difficult and time consuming thing is to match the fonts as close as possible as pro magazines use specialy made fonts that cost about $50- $60 a pop.



So I try and find free ones to match the cover arts of previous issues. Also I need to cut out the logo to get right.



I really want to do Garrus but I can't get any good full length images.

[Alienmorph]

Confused_Shepard wrote...

I actually wanted an ME 1 esque sequence of cutscene Tali kicking ass
I expected one on Haestorm with the colossus. Like you have to distract it while she climbs up on top, rides it like a bronco while simultaneously hacking it. She then uses the siege pulse to destroy the last geth drop ship

Or would that have been too much?

I don't consider her a damsel in distress at all. In fact she is incapable of being so thanks to the lore but a little something to shut the haters up would have been nice.

The scene you described sound a little bit too extreme, but surely a badassery moment will be welcome. Example for an eventual begin of ME3: Shepard's fighting husks, he's mowing dozens in front of him and finally the wave ends. Suddently a last one jumps up from the back of him, but before Shep can even try to turn on and defend himself the husk's head explodes because of a shotgun hit. Then we see the commander smiling while Tali calmy stepping in direction of Shepard with her weapon still smoking. A bit clicheous, but cool. 

Modifié par Alienmorph, 04 février 2011 - 02:18 .

[james1976]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

As promised....

Credit goes to JeanLuc761 for the 3D Tali image used in the cover.

OMG I love it! Your rock!

[NuclearBuddha]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

As promised....

Credit goes to JeanLuc761 for the 3D Tali image used in the cover.
*snip*

Awesome, BB.  Many thanks.

[NuclearBuddha]

Confused_Shepard wrote...
I don't consider her a damsel in distress at all. In fact she is incapable of being so thanks to the lore but a little something to shut the haters up would have been nice. 

Wouldn't help.  Some people hate Jack because she does something in a cutscene she can't do in the game.

[Loki330]

Alienmorph wrote...


Agreed. I've got nothing against Jack but esentially her romance is the story of a woman jumped in the main plot from the middle of nowhere, that after a free-of-implications sex time decides to believe that you care about her if you return for the round 2. She's not a bad character, but really... she needed desperately a better romance development. One more reason for playing as xenophile Shepard and 'mance quarian girls ^__^

I have to say, I wonder if your memory is dodgy or you simply haven't tried Jack-she shuts you down if you take her up on the first offer, you need to refuse it for her sto start actually trusting you. (Using sex as a weapon? good heavens, perish the thought!  )

Anyways, on a more Tali-related note, saw a screenshot on Tuchanka a while ago of her with the new outfit, and are those spare heatsinks on her left forearm? It would be a nice touch if it was