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[Alienmorph]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

It's a good idea, but something like that would be like handing Thane a magical cure for Keprel's syndrome: it would cheapen the quarians lifestyle. They have wandered the galaxy for centuries, trapped within envirosuits and then the geth just give Rannoch back to them and give them tech to allow them to live their without their suits.
Also, I suspect that heretic geth are the ones who will be currently in Rannoch. So they wouldn't do anything like that. I would also prefer it if Shepard had a hand in reclaiming Rannoch if it were to happen. It would be a really nice element for Shep's relationship with Tali.
Although, this is perhaps more of an epilogue ending, and alienmorph, loved your epilogue ideas.

I don't think heretics are actually hidden on Rannoch... Legion says that the planet is desert but also that the true geths monitor it, like a memorial garden. I don't think that we got rid of all the Heretics in ME2, but the Veil is too much controlled by the true geths to let them find refuge there. But I agree for sure that whathever will happen the retaking of Rannoch should be something that Tali and Shep will do toghether... the fact that they'll have both to fight for their homeworld would be a very interesting thing to use to continue their storyline, showing how they'll help eachother.    

[MillaShepard]

Hey Tali thread!  Thought i'd stop by and share my Tali Tribute video with you.  Hope you like it!
www.youtube.com/watch

[Collider]

Nice video, Milla

[MillaShepard]

^ Thanks it just seemed perfect for Tali.

[NuclearBuddha]

Null_ wrote...

Its said in the game that adapting back to their homeworld would take 60years. Thats not that long you know.

It's like half a lifetime for a human (and presumably a quarian), even in ME.  Seems plenty long to me.

[ImmortalWarrior]

Don't forget Buddha, that with their medical tech and cybernetics Shep said humans are lucky to live to 150. The believe someone had mentioned that it was established that both turians and quarians live to be the about the same age as humans.



Assuming 150 is the equivalent of todays 100 year olds, then its probably safe to assume that the average human age is 90ish. 60 years is well within a lifetime in that regard.

[NuclearBuddha]

Yeah, I was assuming 150 year lifetimes. 60+60=120. Almost half a lifetime.

[james1976]

MillaShepard wrote...

Hey Tali thread!  Thought i'd stop by and share my Tali Tribute video with you.  Hope you like it!
www.youtube.com/watch

Perfect! :happy:

ImmortalWarrior wrote...

Don't forget Buddha, that with
their medical tech and cybernetics Shep said humans are lucky to live to
150. The believe someone had mentioned that it was established that
both turians and quarians live to be the about the same age as humans.

Assuming
150 is the equivalent of todays 100 year olds, then its probably safe
to assume that the average human age is 90ish. 60 years is well within
a lifetime in that regard.

I think that would give them time to devote to each other (Shep and Tali) assuming they both survive and live long enough enjoy the "golden years" together.


EDIT - To comment on something else....I got the impression that the True Geth were like caretakers for Rannoch and don't truly dwell there.  They just keep the place up.

Modifié par james1976, 07 février 2011 - 03:47 .

[Nodscouter]

All Geth live on space platforms. Legion say that they are taking care of the planets thought, not sure if that's restricted to Geth or if heretics do it too.

[Null_]

It was mentioned if you talk to tali about possibility of peace during her loyalty mission(when you find repair drone, after 2 packs of geth) Shepard asks why not colonize new world and she says It would take 600 years to adapt to new world as opposed to 60 if they came back to homeworld.

[Alienmorph]

Nodscouter wrote...

All Geth live on space platforms. Legion say that they are taking care of the planets thought, not sure if that's restricted to Geth or if heretics do it too.

Not restricted, but surely true geths keep more than one optic visor on it and they'd probably know if the remained heretics tries to hide on Rannoch.

[Nodscouter]

I've always gotten the impression that the heretics are more than the Geth, but I might just have misunderstood something.

By the way Alien, think you could do a variant of the wallpaper with Garrus standing next to them too?

Modifié par Nodscouter, 07 février 2011 - 04:30 .

[Alienmorph]

Nodscouter wrote...
I've always gotten the impression that the heretics are more than the Geth, but I might just have misunderstood something.

In fact they might be less than true geths, considered that they were contaminated by reapers programmation to be just a bunch of obbedient soldiers.

[Nodscouter]

I meant more as in ''greater number of them''.

[NuclearBuddha]

Nodscouter wrote...
I meant more as in ''greater number of them''.

The heretics are supposedly like 5% of the true geth.  But whether that's platforms or runtimes is up for debate, I think.  I'd assume the heretics have a higher material strength, since they're actually engaged in a war.

As for the Rannoch issue:  I don't know that the geth "occupy" Rannoch.  I mean, it's a good assumption that they've got platforms there for the maintenance Legion describes, but geth don't "live" in platforms.  Their habitats are processing hubs like the heretic station.

It's possible that there are heretic runtimes on Rannoch, or at least within the true geth.  Legion's loyalty mission notes that there is some form of infiltration by heretics into the true geth.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 07 février 2011 - 04:55 .

[ImmortalWarrior]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Yeah, I was assuming 150 year lifetimes. 60+60=120. Almost half a lifetime.

I was totally agreeing with you btw.  I get the feeling that she is just "ball-parking" the numbers 60 or 600.  In all likelyhood an adult could take 60 years to adapt but the possibility for a much shorter timeframe isn't outside of reason.

On another note, I'm new to the forums here and wanted to say hello to everyone.  I just got into mass effect a couple months ago and I love the games.  I'm looking forward to getting in on the discussions.  I read the first 100 pages or so of this thread and saw a lot of good points raised and discussed 

Modifié par ImmortalWarrior, 07 février 2011 - 04:58 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah, welcome to the thread! So, is it 60 or 600 years that it would take the quarians to adapt to Rannoch?

I wonder if it would be beneficial to the quarian's immune system if foreign substances were gradually introduced into their immune systems. I wonder if that would work? That, or gradually introduce insect life onto Rannoch so quarians can adapt quicker?

[NuclearBuddha]

ImmortalWarrior wrote...
I was totally agreeing with you btw.  I get the feeling that she is just "ball-parking" the numbers 60 or 600.  In all likelyhood an adult could take 60 years to adapt but the possibility for a much shorter timeframe isn't outside of reason.

Hehe, yeah.  She's an engineer (or machinist) not a biologist.  She's probably parroting whatever she's heard around the Flotilla.  Possibly even from anti-colonisation types like Han'Gerrel or her father (which is an angle I hadn't really considered before).

And welcome.

[NuclearBuddha]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
Yeah, welcome to the thread! So, is it 60 or 600 years that it would take the quarians to adapt to Rannoch?

I wonder if it would be beneficial to the quarian's immune system if foreign substances were gradually introduced into their immune systems. I wonder if that would work? That, or gradually introduce insect life onto Rannoch so quarians can adapt quicker?

60 for Rannoch, 600 for another planet entirely.

Gradual introduction of contaminants isn't going to work because you're never going to have a completely controlled environment.  You can add one or two or a thousand things over time, but there's always going to be some previously un-encountered contaminant to jack things up.  It's why she'll never completely acclimate to Shepard, for instance:  he's a moving target in terms of the germs and crud he's got coming off him.

[ImmortalWarrior]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Gradual introduction of contaminants isn't going to work because you're never going to have a completely controlled environment.  You can add one or two or a thousand things over time, but there's always going to be some previously un-encountered contaminant to jack things up.  It's why she'll never completely acclimate to Shepard, for instance:  he's a moving target in terms of the germs and crud he's got coming off him.

I remember reading somewhere as well, probably in the codex, that there was benefitial viral and bacterial microbes on Rannoch and that the quarians immune systems were particularly weaker because these symbiotic contagens existed and protected them. In leaving their planet, the sources of the benefitial contagens could have been lost to them.  This sybiotic relationship exists with humans as well.  We have bacteria in our digestive system that is necessary to break down our foods.

If this is truly the case, who is to say that they won't adapt within months or years of exposure to their home ecosystem and then be more protected from exposure with the return of the symbiosis?

And in defence of this, you may be thinking that the quarians would of course already know this to be true (or not), but look back 300 years into our history.  How much do we truly know and remember from what has survived in the late 1600's to the early 1700's?  Culture, old methods and medical knowledge, and all manner of information from those times is easily lost and broken over the centuries.  Historians and researchers are required to peice together knowledge of our history from what remains.   We didn't suffer a planetary genocide either, so imagine what the quarians don't know about themselves and what was lost.

Modifié par ImmortalWarrior, 07 février 2011 - 06:43 .

[Null_]

Alienmorph wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...
I've always gotten the impression that the heretics are more than the Geth, but I might just have misunderstood something.

In fact they might be less than true geths, considered that they were contaminated by reapers programmation to be just a bunch of obbedient soldiers.

Heretics are 5% of total geth population.

Oh btw this is the 5th Tali topic? That means the 4 before it were locked at 5500 pages?

Modifié par Null_, 07 février 2011 - 08:57 .

[Link112]

I think the Heretics can be considered taken care, given the way Legion's sidequest turned out. The virus will have spread to all of the Heretics eventually, since as soon as they connect to their network to upgrade or update or what-have-you, the virus would be downloaded and then they would begin the process of rethinking their position. Unless you nuked the base and decided to fry the circuits of the Heretics, in which case *shrug*

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Bah, I'm no biologist so I am way outta my league here with you guys But I understand what buddha and ramirez put. As germs and bacterial infections are so diverse and change so much, that it would be impossible for quarians to effectively adapt to them all.

Besides, if simply building up their immune system was what it took for them to get out of their suits, I'm sure it would have been done already.

As for the heretics, I'm pretty sure it was only the platforms aboard that ship. But I don't know if the virus would spread to other heretics...

[ImmortalWarrior]

As far as I can remember from biology, B-Cells (white blood cells, maybe it was the T-cell one tho...) mistakenly identify a foreign substance as a threat. The B cells return to a lymph node to create antibodies. The antibodies then allow other B cells to target the contaminant as a threat. If the threat is perceived as severe the attacks on it can cause a systemic reaction, which can result in anaphylaxis or analphylactic shock.



Based on what was in the codex about beneficial microbes on their homeworld. The microbes may actually prevent these types of reactions in their system. Allowing them to be exposed to any number of contagions without risk of harm.

[Collider]

It's possible that there are heretic runtimes on Rannoch, or at least within the true geth. Legion's loyalty mission notes that there is some form of infiltration by heretics into the true geth.

Hmm, this could prove quite interesting in ME3.