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[DirtyVagrant]

60 years is still a long time to be confined to an environmental suit!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

So is a lifetime! Which is the case for most quarians.

[Link112]

I would note during Legion's mission that they weren't just changing the geth on the station, that the station would transmit the virus via FTL channels to nearby starsystems, so it will affect a large number of the heretics. Not to mention, I believe the base that Shepard and Legion infiltrated was the main base for the Heretics (Heretic station and all that).



I always assumed it took care of the heretics completely, but I'm sure if the writers at Bioware want to, they'll figure out a way to bring in more geth drama for 3, heh.

[Link112]

Also, Tasha, were you aware your name meshes together pre and post pilgrimage names?



Tali'Zorah Nar Rayya was from the first game when she was still on her pilgrimage.



Tali'Zorah Vas Neema was her name in 2 post-pilgrimage.



Not that I'm anal retentive or anything...



:-P



Of course, I'm not as up on all of the Codex entries as some of you fine gents and ladies, so I could be wrong. Maybe the Nar Rayya is kept but downplayed. Like a maiden name or some such.



Someone want to educate me?

[Destroy Raiden_]

I thought Nar rayya is their version of chan and the neema was the upadate she got once she returned and became part of the ship. She was later definitely debunked when they referred to her as vas Normandy basically saying she's human.

[MaxHaxx]

Theres quite much from this on Mass Effect Wiki (http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Quarian)

vas [ship-name] — crew of
nar [ship-name] — child of

When Tali first met Shepard, for instance, she was going by the name of her birth ship (the Rayya) because at that point she had not yet completed her Pilgrimage and was thus not yet able to join a quarian crew. Later, though, she became known as "Tali'Zorah vas Neema", indicating that she had completed her Pilgrimage and was welcome to join the Neema.

In certain formal situations, quarians appear to use both their adult ship and childhood ship. At one point Tali identifies herself as "Tali'Zorah vas Neema nar Rayya."

[IndigoWolfe]

Out of curiousity; why does the thread title have an exclamation point?

[Collider]

Have we gotten any rid from the writers about how long the quarian lifespan is?

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Out of curiousity; why does the thread title have an exclamation point?

That was from a few days ago and I forgot to remove it.

[xlavaina]

Just out of curiosity, I assume it isn't called "The Official Migrant Fleet of Tali'Zorah Fans 3.0" because we don't want to attract the same spam that we did last time?



I miss it when I could visit the page, read through ten pages, come back an hour later, and read through another fifteen haha.

[Collider]

I would prefer if the discussion about the thread is at a minimum. If you'd like to talk about it, you can PM me.

I would note during Legion's mission that they weren't just changing the geth on the station, that the station would transmit the virus via FTL channels to nearby starsystems, so it will affect a large number of the heretics. Not to mention, I believe the base that Shepard and Legion infiltrated was the main base for the Heretics (Heretic station and all that).

I always assumed it took care of the heretics completely, but I'm sure if the writers at Bioware want to, they'll figure out a way to bring in more geth drama for 3, heh.

I believe some of the heretics were off the network and therefore unaffected. The great majority of them should have been taken care of in Legion's loyalty mission, though.

Modifié par Collider, 08 février 2011 - 03:56 .

[NuclearBuddha]

ImmortalWarrior wrote...
I remember reading somewhere as well, probably in the codex, that there was benefitial viral and bacterial microbes on Rannoch and that the quarians immune systems were particularly weaker because these symbiotic contagens existed and protected them. In leaving their planet, the sources of the benefitial contagens could have been lost to them.  This sybiotic relationship exists with humans as well.  We have bacteria in our digestive system that is necessary to break down our foods.

If this is truly the case, who is to say that they won't adapt within months or years of exposure to their home ecosystem and then be more protected from exposure with the return of the symbiosis?

And in defence of this, you may be thinking that the quarians would of course already know this to be true (or not), but look back 300 years into our history.  How much do we truly know and remember from what has survived in the late 1600's to the early 1700's?  Culture, old methods and medical knowledge, and all manner of information from those times is easily lost and broken over the centuries.  Historians and researchers are required to peice together knowledge of our history from what remains.   We didn't suffer a planetary genocide either, so imagine what the quarians don't know about themselves and what was lost.

You're right:  the quarian immune system was always meant to adapt to surroundings.  I'm left assuming that it was more symbiotic than anyone realized because very quickly after those allergens, contaminants, etc. were gone during the exile, we were left with the current sad state of affairs.  Assuming an ~30 year generational span (like with humans) 300 years is pretty darn short for the health of an entire species to go so sour.  Their bodies must have been in a very delicate balance.  (Lamarckian evolution is almost implied by this scenario, but that's looking far too deep into an issue that is probably just meant to be taken at face value)

We have only Tali's word on the matter, and while we can speculate that she's ballparking it or is just plain wrong, the easier path is to just accept that she's basically right.

As for matter of "a lot can get lost in 300 years," it's certainly possible.  But quarians were part of galactic society for 2000 years.  Presumably a lot of their data would have been integrated.  Or... maybe the Citadel species did some sort of purge to make sure that the geth hadn't infiltrated those databanks during the Morning War.  Hmmm...

[Collider]

Just downloaded Tali's alternate appearance. I really like it. At first, the visor under the visor thing looked rather silly, but in context of battle, I quite like it. The outfit is nothing "revolutionary" like Miranda's, but it's nice if you want Tali to look more combat ready. I do.

[Homebound]

tali with visor in visor



http://pics.livejour...yu/pic/0018yeyg

[Collider]

I think it's being unfair. It looks a little odd, sure, but the outfit is not just the visor. I think they did a great job on it, and even if you don't like it yourself, you can appreciate the effort they put into it.

[MadMapper]

Calinstel wrote...

To me, as this is just my opinion, it seems that BW was just trying to use Tali to sell the alternate pack.

Well, that's natural. I think BW made this AAP with both Tali and Miranda to improve the chances of selling it (people who loves Miranda generally hates/dislikes Tali, and would never buy the AAP2).

[Alienmorph]

Why everyone looks so surprised everytime that the word "selling" is nomineed? Off course BW wanted more moneys from us, they don't do games just for glory. Said that, Miri and Tali are the two most popular ME2's Li and at the same time two of the squadmates who deserved a reinforced outfit, so it's both a decent marketing strategy and worthy for us that they're both included in the pack.

[james1976]

I'll have to see what it looks like in game for myself. Judging by that picture above though I won't like it. If I can't see Tali's eyes and face as I've been so far and it's now further obstructed, I won't like it. I am happy about Miranda's armor and will get it just for that. Disappointed in the attention they gave Tali....the outfit itself looks good, but I hate what they did to her visor.

[Collider]

Alienmorph wrote...

Why everyone looks so surprised everytime that the word "selling" is nomineed? Off course BW wanted more moneys from us, they don't do games just for glory. Said that, Miri and Tali are the two most popular ME2's Li and at the same time two of the squadmates who deserved a reinforced outfit, so it's both a decent marketing strategy and worthy for us that they're both included in the pack.

Well put, alien.

[Blze001]

Okay, quick question for all you quarian aficionados: assume a cure for the quarian's immune system is discovered (in my fan-fic, it's nanites. Nanites are the new radiation, they cure everything). Do you think the quarian's history of wearing suits would cause all the quarians to remain in their suits, or do you think it would come down to the individual?

I'm asking because I caught a little flak for having Aila almost immediately shed her helmet once she no-longer needed it. My justification was that Aila has the personality where tradition doesn't really govern her actions and shes almost eager to change things that she sees as being pointless or oppressive.

Thoughts on this matter? Would Tali shed the helmet, or would she keep it for tradition's sake?

Modifié par Blze001, 08 février 2011 - 02:37 .

[Collider]

I imagine most quarians would have reservations about being outside of their suits. Even showing one's face to another person is considered major, something only for good friends, family, and lovers. Eventually they'd get around to being suitless in public, but it would take something of a culture change first. As for your original character, if she's an outlier in quarian society, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking her helmet off - but I would think that other quarians would view her strangely at least.

[Nodscouter]

Seeing as she several times says ''this damn helmet'' and the like, I'm quite sure that if she wouldn't need it anymore she wouldn't waste any time at all throwing it off. Not that I believe it would be just a snap and suddenly her immune system is all better. Besides, I think most Quarians don't think of their suits as a tradition but necessity. I mean sure, once's first suit is a celebration and all that, but I still doubt that they'd stay inside something they don't need at all.

Edit: Oh Collider, you sneaky ****.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 08 février 2011 - 02:42 .

[Alienmorph]

Blze001 wrote...

Okay, quick question for all you quarian aficionados: assume a cure for the quarian's immune system is discovered (in my fan-fic, it's nanites. Nanites are the new radiation, they cure everything). Do you think the quarian's history of wearing suits would cause all the quarians to remain in their suits, or do you think it would come down to the individual?

I'm asking because I caught a little flak for having Aila almost immediately shed her helmet once she no-longer needed it. My justification was that Aila has the personality where tradition doesn't really govern her actions and shes almost eager to change things that she sees as being pointless or oppressive.

Thoughts on this matter? Would Tali shed the helmet, or would she keep it for tradition's sake?

There was a fanfic, Beneath the Veil, that imagined that most of quarians continue after the re-settling on the homeworld to hide their faces with veils, like musulman women does... I see that as likely solution, I can't imagine any sane quarian willingly continue to dress the whole envirosuit or so.

[Collider]

Nod, I thought her comment there was more for the romance for Shepard, than a general sentiment.