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[xlavaina]

Alienmorph wrote...

One things are the weapons and shields, but covering her with collected parts of killed enemies would look a bit out of her character. No objections if she's forced to do it because of necessity, but other than that I won't like it.

Legion: Question. Why Creator-Tali'Zorah is using the abdominal armor of a terminated Heretic?

Tali (imitating syntetic voice): There was an hole.

Legion: *irritating flap movements*

Tali: Problems, Legion?

HAHAHAHAHAHA I love this one 

oh and top: This is my own personal creation. I posted it earlier but this is a good excuse to post it again. TALI SHOOTING SHOOPDAWHOOP OUT OF OMNI TOOOOOOL WOOOT

Modifié par xlavaina, 10 février 2011 - 02:09 .

[dearlyblvd]

I'm at the ending of my first playthrough of Mass Effect 2 and I just finished the Lair of the Shadow Broker. I have to decide between romancing Tali or Liara. I'm almost at the point of making two playthroughs. This indecision is killing me.

I felt that Liara had changed a lot since Mass Effect 1, becoming more mature, with a darker personality, and accepting that Shepard was dead. I really thought that she had "moved on", specially after talking about her new friend and her mission with the Shadow Broker.

Of course the story totally twists after you complete the DLC and invite her for "drinks" aboard the Normandy SR2. It feels really weird that she is so distant of Shepard and that the only person that she can trust on her "new job" is Fernos, who apparently likes her.

With Tali, what worries me is the uncertainty. I see her relationship with Shepard as something for short term, which is totally the opposite of how she expresses her feelings for him.

When you go to Eternity on Illium, you see a turian hitting on a quarian, so you feel that they can have normal relationships like any other race, but when you talk with Tali or Mordis, it feels like you are the first human banging a quarian ever and that can be extremely dangerous. If that is true, then a children between both races seem quite unlikely, or at least uncommon.

Also, there is the mystery about how she really looks under her suit. That works both ways. She can be really pretty or really ugly. As she is one of the most popular characters, I don't think that BioWare plans in making her a character with a weird appearence, but yet we don't know if we ever will see her true face.

If you were in a similar situation, which one did you pick and why?

EDIT: I romanced Liara on ME1
EDIT2: This post was made on both topics about Tali and Liara, but I decided to keep only this one, as it got more replies

Modifié par dearlyblvd, 10 février 2011 - 09:55 .

[PseudoEthnic]

dearlyblvd wrote...

-snip-

If you were in a similar situation, which one did you pick and why?

Warning: I posted this message in both Liara and Tali's Threads.

Why would you bother posting this in both threads when clearly we're going to choose Tali here, and they're going to choose Liara there?

[Collider]

I don't feel it's short term. Quite opposite of that. The foundation of their relationship is strong, and I believe both Shepard & Tali could endure the hardships that come their way.

Children between different races are impossible - unless one of them is an asari.
I would say, consider how much you care about Shepard having a child between Shepard and the love interest. Consider that adoption is an option for Shepard/Tali.
Consider how much you care about physical appearance. The safest option would be Liara, as of course you know what she looks like already and she's conventionally pretty/good looking.
I think both relationships are long-term. But consider the health issues of the relationship with Tali, and also the fact that Liara will be still be alive to live more than half of the rest of her life with Shepard dead. That's the fate of all asari interspecies relationships, besides krogan, though.
And ultimately, I suggest you choose whomever you like more.

In this situation, if I had chosen Liara in ME1 I would stayed with her. However, if this is a general choice, I would choose Tali, as I enjoy the character more.

Modifié par Collider, 10 février 2011 - 03:02 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

xlavaina wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

One things are the weapons and shields, but covering her with collected parts of killed enemies would look a bit out of her character. No objections if she's forced to do it because of necessity, but other than that I won't like it.

Legion: Question. Why Creator-Tali'Zorah is using the abdominal armor of a terminated Heretic?

Tali (imitating syntetic voice): There was an hole.

Legion: *irritating flap movements*

Tali: Problems, Legion?

HAHAHAHAHAHA I love this one 

oh and top: This is my own personal creation. I posted it earlier but this is a good excuse to post it again. TALI SHOOTING SHOOPDAWHOOP OUT OF OMNI TOOOOOOL WOOOT

That's my background now! Thanks for making that!

[dearlyblvd]

PseudoEthnic wrote...
Why would you bother posting this in both threads when clearly we're going to choose Tali here, and they're going to choose Liara there?

Huh, can't you see why? If I only post on one topic, I will see opinions focused on that character. As I like both characters, I want to read different points of views and decide from there.

Modifié par dearlyblvd, 10 février 2011 - 03:02 .

[jacobOriley]

dearlyblvd wrote...
With Tali, what worries me is the uncertainty. I see her relationship with Shepard as something for short term, which is totally the opposite of how she expresses her feelings for him..

I see Tali's loyalty carried through both 1 & 2 far from uncertainty. She joins Shepard on a Cerberus ship with a Cerberus crew despite her strong feeling against that. She joins Shepard on faith....because he asked her. That's a much stronger bond than Liara has. I know that's open to debate, but Tali has my heart because of it.

[james1976]

The bonds between Tali and Shepard are strong. I believe despite everything that their love for one another would endure. Their romance in ME2 is deep, at least it seems that way to me. There is a lot of trust between them and that trust started in ME1. From ME1 till the end of ME2 they've been to Hell and back together.



I've done the Liara romance as well with a character that started it in ME1 and carried it over to ME2. Shepard and Liara have a warm relationship. I wouldn't say it is as interesting though, not for me.



I also think that Tali would defend Shepard without even thinking about it. Where Liara would stop to consider what to do. In that Tali would appear to be more passionate in her feelings. There are times when Liara just seems un-emotional, like a Vulcan on Star Trek. When Tali sees Shepard for the first time in 2 years she pauses because she thought he was dead and gone forever, plus he shows up with 2 Cerberus agents. Yet her first instinct was to defend Shepard even against her own people.

[dearlyblvd]

Collider wrote...
Children between different races are impossible - unless one of them is an asari.
.

This was confirmed by BioWare?

jacobOriley wrote...
I see Tali's loyalty carried through both 1 & 2 far from uncertainty. She joins Shepard on a Cerberus ship with a Cerberus crew despite her strong feeling against that. She joins Shepard on faith....because he asked her. That's a much stronger bond than Liara has. I know that's open to debate, but Tali has my heart because of it.

I totally understand what you are saying and I agree with your point of view, but what about the future?

Let's say that Tali remains with Shepard until the ending of Mass Effect 3 and they don't die. Do you picture them together? For how long? It seems more like that their relationship is bound to be broken, not because of their interest in each other, but because of their physical limitations.

Collider mentioned about the option of adoption, which is something interesting and that I didn't think about. I would like to go on about this topic and even mention about a case that worked in my family, but I don't think that it's necessary.

With Liara, it's different. You know that if they survive in ME3 and remain together, it's very likely that they eventually will have children and form a family. If I'm not wrong, Shepard is about 31 years old in ME2 and I think that it's a good age to start thinking about these things, specially if he saves the galaxy three times.

Modifié par dearlyblvd, 10 février 2011 - 03:54 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

jacobOriley wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
With Tali, what worries me is the uncertainty. I see her relationship with Shepard as something for short term, which is totally the opposite of how she expresses her feelings for him..

I see Tali's loyalty carried through both 1 & 2 far from uncertainty. She joins Shepard on a Cerberus ship with a Cerberus crew despite her strong feeling against that. She joins Shepard on faith....because he asked her. That's a much stronger bond than Liara has. I know that's open to debate, but Tali has my heart because of it.

That's why Tali's my favorite!

[Collider]

This was confirmed by BioWare?

Not in a completely literal way, but it seems to be obvious to me. The fact that asari can produce children with another species is known and mentioned. Nothing at all of the sort for any other knid of interspecies relationship. Even with the asari, none of the genetic data is taken from the non-asari partner. It's nearly asexual.



Moreover, Mass Effect makes an effort for a lot of it's science to be grounded in reality.

[xlavaina]

You're welcome Wolfen. Send me a high res pix of Tali and I'll make another in much higher quality.

[PseudoEthnic]

dearlyblvd wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...
Why would you bother posting this in both threads when clearly we're going to choose Tali here, and they're going to choose Liara there?

Huh, can't you see why? If I only post on one topic, I will see opinions focused on that character. As I like both characters, I want to read different points of views and decide from there.

Ah, I see. I misintepreted your post.

For me, the whole children/family situation can be solved by simply adopting since biological children are impossible between human and quarian. Plus, it doesn't help that both species are of different amino acids, which definitely makes it impossible for them to breed naturally.

Speaking of biology, it seems clear that physical compatiblity is a huge conflict in Shepard and Tali's realtionship. However, I believe that both parties are smart enough to be careful. Also, I'm sure that both of them have already thought of the long-term complications, yet both seem willing to sacrifice the time it takes to be safe around each other.

Tali is the only love interest who doesn't have a visible face or body beyond the outline of her suit. If one didn't want to take the risk of possibly romancing an ugly person(which she clearly isn't judging by Shepard's reaction to seeing her face), or wanting to deal with the complications of her immune system, they can easily choose someone else. Liara, and the other LI's(besides maybe Jack) are all conventional beauties, and they're all physically compatible with the main character. However, Tali's romance is built upon trust, and loving what's on the inside more than the outside. For me, I go for that over any other.

[Alienmorph]

Liara and Tali are the two female romances where Shepard and the LI seem both to be deep involved (I'm not saying that Miranda and Jack are not, but the physical component is much more emphatised with them) and I don't see any plausible reason for Tali's to being only a short story, unless you choose so... she willingly risk her life to lost her virginity with you (damn, that's sounds to fanboish, but that's the truth) and even for a person that knows her and Shepard since a short time (I mean Kasumi) it's pretty obvious that Tali loves Shepard and that's not simply a childish crush. Plus, there are a few dialogues spread in the games that seems to point that's possible for a quarian leave permanently the Fleet and/or spending the life with a non-quarian companion:



"There are always some quarians that don't return frome their pilgrimadge... I've always thought that something bad happened to them, but maybe... maybe they just choose a different life."



"It can't be so rare for a quarian staying with a member of another species." "Sure, but normally everything happens outside the suit [...]"



And all the banter with the turian and the quarian girl at the Eternity.



So, maybe it's unusual, or even discouraged by normal quarian customs (that's a personal hypotesis, but they're quite isolationist, pilgrimadge excluded so...), but not impossible or forbidden for a quarian to have a long-term relationship with an alien. Tali wanted to be out the suit for her first time, but if necessary there are other ways, plus the initial reaction was relatively bland, so it's quite plausible that the next times everything will be easier, if she'll adapt even only partially to Shepard. There are obstacles, but nothing insurmontable, especially for two people that love eachother so much.



Said that, Liara is the only other LI I romanced (except in my first ME1's playtrought where I 'manced Ash because I still felt a bit odd going with an alien) and she evolves in a very interesting way in ME2, so I can say without hesitations that I'd remained loyal to her if there wasn't Tali... so... well, do what you feel man, thei're both great and plotworthy characters to romance.

[Rune-Chan]

dearlyblvd wrote...



If you were in a similar situation, which one did you pick and why?

EDIT: I romanced Liara on ME1
EDIT2: This post was made on both topics about Tali and Liara, but I decided to keep only this one, as it got more replies

Tali was the first character I chose as a LI. but after playing through the LOTSB (Liara not a LI in ME1) I saw a different side of her.

As such I have two Shepards:

One with no ME1 LI and Tali in ME2.
One with Liara in ME1 and continued in ME2.

I consider my Tali Shepard the "canon" one, but I am curious to see how Liara as a LI develops in ME3.

[Rune-Chan]

dearlyblvd wrote...

Let's say that Tali remains with Shepard until the ending of Mass Effect 3 and they don't die. Do you picture them together? For how long? It seems more like that their relationship is bound to be broken, not because of their interest in each other, but because of their physical limitations.

Collider mentioned about the option of adoption, which is something interesting and that I didn't think about. I would like to go on about this topic and even mention about a case that worked in my family, but I don't think that it's necessary.

With Liara, it's different. You know that if they survive in ME3 and remain together, it's very likely that they eventually will have children and form a family. If I'm not wrong, Shepard is about 31 years old in ME2 and I think that it's a good age to start thinking about these things, specially if he saves the galaxy three times.

I disagree. Tali is a respected member of the Migrant Fleet with a mission and yet she shows the desire to join Shepard, despite thinking he is dead for two years, and despite the fact that he has two Cerberus operatives in tow. Then on Haestrom Shepard saves her and despie having had almost everyone dead, she decides to leave to join Shepard on an "enemy" ship rather than continue with her duties.

Despite the fact that she is extremely loyal to her species, she still values Shepard more.

Liara on the other hand refuses to join Shepard due to her obsessive quest for revenge, and even once that is completed she chooses to become the Shadow Broker rather than join Shepard.

That said, if you read the comic Redemption you see another side of her where she is willing to do whatever it takes to get Shepard back, so while she does have strong feelings, she is a lot less controlled by them.

Hence why I like both of them as LI's, they both seem to be quite deep, but in different ways.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 10 février 2011 - 12:24 .

[VettoRyouzou]

Machines Are Us wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...

Let's say that Tali remains with Shepard until the ending of Mass Effect 3 and they don't die. Do you picture them together? For how long? It seems more like that their relationship is bound to be broken, not because of their interest in each other, but because of their physical limitations.

Collider mentioned about the option of adoption, which is something interesting and that I didn't think about. I would like to go on about this topic and even mention about a case that worked in my family, but I don't think that it's necessary.

With Liara, it's different. You know that if they survive in ME3 and remain together, it's very likely that they eventually will have children and form a family. If I'm not wrong, Shepard is about 31 years old in ME2 and I think that it's a good age to start thinking about these things, specially if he saves the galaxy three times.

I disagree. Tali is a respected member of the Migrant Fleet with a mission and yet she shows the desire to join Shepard, despite thinking he is dead for two years, and despite the fact that he has two Cerberus operatives in tow. Then on Haestrom Shepard saves her and despie having had almost everyone dead, she decides to leave to join Shepard on an "enemy" ship rather than continue with her duties.

Despite the fact that she is extremely loyal to her species, she still values Shepard more.

Liara on the other hand refuses to join Shepard due to her obsessive quest for revenge, and even once that is completed she chooses to become the Shadow Broker rather than join Shepard.

That said, if you read the comic Redemption you see another side of her where she is willing to do whatever it takes to get Shepard back, so while she does have strong feelings, she is a lot less controlled by them.

Hence why I like both of them as LI's, they both seem to be quite deep, but in different ways.

Bestly put, and again blood and dna connection doesn't make a family Adopted child can be just as loved and live a full child hood life then any child born in the right family.

[Orion1836]

I noticed a couple of things in Liara's character if you *don't* romance her in ME 1. Between the comic and the dialogue you get if you press her on what happened, I got the impression that she loved Shepard regardless of what the player did in ME1. Furthermore, if you stay loyal to Tali throughout LotSB, she alludes to the fact that she noticed Tali's attraction for you back in ME1, but didn't say anything because she had 'good reason not to increase the competition back then' or something thereabouts.



I got the impression that Liara is still very much into Shep, regardless of the choices you make, but is being supportive because she wants to see him happy.



Now I have not played through a femShep romance with another character other than Liara. I wonder if she says the same thing if you didn't romance anyone the first time through and romanced Garrus in ME2.

[Alienmorph]

If you didn't romance Liara she says something like "And ruin to you the surprise?" if you did the "I wasn't so naive to add another rival." thing. Indeed Liara have a crush for Shepard, corrisponded or not... you saved them, trusted her while everyone else was pointing her as "the daughter of the traitor" and thanks to the mind-melting thing she knew deeply and quickly Shepard, and what happened to the Protheans at the same time. She has all the reasons to love or at least being extremely loyal to Shepard. Anyway, she have a comment for any LIs in the final chat in LotSB, but I don't think that the Garrus' romance is retconnized as Tali's... if I'm not wrong it seems that Garrus didn't realize that he was thinking about FemShep in that way, until she started flirting with him... it wasn't so clear as happens with Tali, that indeed have a little bit the "I wish we'll be more than friends one day" vibe since ME1, if you pick the right choices.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 10 février 2011 - 04:47 .

[Angmir]

I must say I am so mcuh disapointed with 2 apperence pack coming out i realy prefer it to contain some other charcter apperance, thant Tali.
The "new" taki outfit is just so unnoticeworthy...It suppose to make her better armoured, but it is not so very much, plus the HUD thing on her vision is just silly, and doesnt give any idea of purpose to it. This putfit isnt nighter funcional nor it is better looking that the two previous ones. 
I wish Tali wasnt on the DLC so we could still have our guesses how her "alternative apperance" would look like. This is the first tiem actualy when I feel disapointed about something that BIOWARE did with ME. I am glad though it was somthing so unsignificant.

[NuclearBuddha]

HAI GUISE! Are you all talking about adoption without me? Because I had something to say about it...



(As a bonus, here's another scenario ("Protectors" about halfway down the page) from UDHNRT.)



Anyway, I don't see the relationship as a short-time thing. I mean, if I was going to risk killing myself, I'd want to make sure I was doing it for some sort of lasting purpose. Same with her. Tali emphasized how much thought, planning and preparation she was putting into it. She knows what a relationship like that entails in terms of health risks. I think if Shep is willing to go the distance with her, she'll follow anywhere he leads. So to speak.

[NuclearBuddha]

Orion1836 wrote...
I got the impression that Liara is still very much into Shep, regardless of the choices you make, but is being supportive because she wants to see him happy.

Meh, good for her.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

LOLZ, I found this picture while searching google and made a motivational of it.

[Spartanburger]

^

[Alienmorph]

Italian politicians are good only for jokes, as always...