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[Volrath937]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Well, she sorta kinda backs down after a fashion in her confrontation with Legion.  It's not a 180 or anything, but she is definitely willing to listen to Shep when he is speaking sense.  I mean going from pointing a gun at Legion to letting him have some data is a pretty significant change inside of 30 seconds.  I do agree that Tali is way less malleable than the other characters though.  She is probably the least malleable except maybe Jacob.  You can't budge that guy either.  Heck, you can even budge Zaeed and Wrex.

It seems to be a common misconception that she doesn't hate geth anymore because of that scene. Personally I think giving Legion data was kind of a weird reaction considering what she can say on her loyalty mission. I prefer to side with Tali then go and charm/intimidate Legion back to loyalty, makes more sense for me.
As an aside, she doesn't put the gun down until Legion says it's stopped transmitting.

[Collider]

During the fight I side with Tali and then charm Legion back into loyalty.

[Someone With Mass]

Collider wrote...

During the fight I side with Tali and then charm Legion back into loyalty.

Just don't do it the other way around. And Legion's threat didn't sound so good either.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:03 .

[Volrath937]

mrsph wrote...

Tali's views on the geth seem to be softening now that she is learning that most of them are trying to live in peace and aren't the horrible monsters her father made them out to be.

It doesn't mean she likes Legion and the geth. But that she can understand why he was so determined to send the data back to his people.

Can you point to some specific examples? I'm racking my brain here and coming up blank. She believes the geth are sapient though.

I always use the paragon persuade, but I agree Legion had no business snooping through Tali's things. I also agree it doesn't magically mean she wants to start hugging geth, but I fail to see how dealing with Legion in such close quarters would have no impact on her opinion whatsoever. I still think she is backing down because she trusts Shep though. She has a very strong sense of morality, but I still think Tali is a smart, reasonable person who would be willing to listen to what Shep might have to say if he disagreed with her. Because she trusts him and she is loyal, and trust and loyalty is a big deal to quarians. Of course, she expects the same consideration from him in return and that is reasonable.

Legion almost sparked a war that would've finally finished off the quarians. I'm amazed that Tali was so willing to let it slide, her people were minutes (?) away from extinction right then. But yes, her trust in Shepard (especially if romanced) is absolute.

Modifié par Volrath937, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:11 .

[Collider]

It's too soon for her to stop disliking Geth. They still nearly made her race extinct, and caused the death of her friends. Something deep seated like that isn't going to go away very easily. I think the experience made her consider what things may be like on the Geth side. The Geth want to protect their people as well - Tali can relate with that.

Modifié par Collider, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:10 .

[Volrath937]

I'll admit my own bias may be tainting my view of how Tali views the geth. I firmly believe they should either:
A) Be made to pay for their many war crimes or
Be taken back under control and shut down

Modifié par Volrath937, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:14 .

[Volrath937]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
Well, she doesn't raise a ruckus if Shep choose to rewrite the Heretics.  She is willing to work with a geth on the team.  She will back down in a fight with Legion and even offer him some data to send to the geth.  She's obviously torn up about what he father did, and she is definitely not all on about attacking the geth given her hesitation when speaking to Gerrel and also at Shep's bravado about saying he will reclaim the homeworld for her.  I still thinks she doesn't like them and she thinks the quarians were right for trying to shut them down, but ME2 Tali doesn't seem like someone who would be as quick to say "I hope that ship was full of those geth bastards" or as prone to immediately jump onto the idea of attacking them and reclaiming the homeworld in a blaze of bullets and glory. The intense anger she has in ME2 is actually more directed at Cerberus than at the geth.  It's ambiguous, I admit, but there might be something to it.

I'm gonna have to do my next playthrough differently then, I usually kill the geth, side with her, and advocate war. Though then you could make the argument that her opinion on the geth can be influenced by Shepard. A paragon ending might have her accept, not necessarily like, the geth, and the renegade ending is something more extreme. Although her giving the data to Legion if you charm/intimidate does lend credence to your idea. Do we get to know why she finds Xen crazy specifically? If Rael's research was almost complete then it would be a viable option for them. 

[Collider]

mrsph wrote...

Tali finds Xen crazy because Tali herself doesn't want to fight the geth or gain control of them.

Not to mention Xen wants to do the exact same thing that got the Quarians in trouble in the first place. Tali says herself in ME1 that she thought the Geth were a mistake.

Modifié par Collider, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:31 .

[Volrath937]

Xen might be the Loghain of ME3 then. If you didn't give up the evidence you fight your way through her ship, big confrontation, if you side with her Tali leaves. If you gave up the evidence, yada yada yada.

Not to mention Xen wants to do the exact same thing that got the Quarians in trouble in the first place. Tali says herself in ME1 that she thought the Geth were a mistake.

Yeah, the quarians really dropped the ball when they made the geth.There was some criminal incompetence going on.

And I really don't think Tali wants genocide/slavery of an entire sapient race on her hands.

That is also true, she does believe they are sapient.

Modifié par Volrath937, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:36 .

[Someone With Mass]

I hope that Tali and Legion can remain friends.



A shame that Xen is going to be the stereotypical mad scientist antagonist. The smart dumb person, if you will.



Maybe Legion can help Tali convince the admirals what's the right thing to do in ME3.

[Pacifien]

I would love it if there was a portion of the game where you took control of a squadmate. Not like Joker's thing, 'cause really that was just moving him in a linear line while he and EDI had their conversations without your input. But instead, a portion of the game where you control one squadmate, dictate their dialogue, and have a couple ways to go about it. It would be a good way to highlight what makes each squadmate different. I can see Kasumi hacking her way in, but Tali uses her drone for recon instead to work around a problem.

Modifié par Pacifien, 15 septembre 2010 - 01:01 .

[Homebound]

mrsph wrote...

And I really don't think Tali wants genocide/slavery of an entire sapient race on her hands.

I was under the impression that Tali wanted her planet back. Since her planet is occupied by Geth, wouldn't that only end in 1 way?

[Homebound]

Pacifien wrote...

I would love it if there was a portion of the game where you took control of a squadmate. Not like Joker's thing, 'cause really that was just moving him in a linear line while he and EDI had their conversations without your input. But instead, a portion of the game where you control one squadmate, dictate their dialogue, and have a couple ways to go about it. It would be a good way to highlight what makes each squadmate different. I can see Kasumi hacking her way in, but Tali uses her drone for recon instead to work around a problem.

You mean like using Morrigan or something in the Fade to rescue that boy?