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[Collider]

Putting off consumating a relationship makes no sense if you honestly think you could die very, very soon.

I believe one argument people have is that having your engineer sick (or possibly dead) on the suicide mission isn't going to help the odds.

[NuclearBuddha]

Collider wrote...
I believe one argument people have is that having your engineer sick (or possibly dead) on the suicide mission isn't going to help the odds.

Being shot didn't incapacitate Kal'Reegar for, as far as we can tell, a good long while.  Tali seemed willing to run the risk, so there's little reason to dispute her assessment of the situation.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Besides, it was worth it, right? XD

[Angmir]

Machines Are Us wrote...


True enough, but it does irk me that relationships in Bioware games seem to be purely about sex. If you don't screw the person then you aren't with them. Obviously sex is usually common in a healthy adult relationship but a long lasting relationship is based on more than whether or not you sleep with someone as soon as you both express your feelings for each other.

I don't see why once the interest was expressed there couldn't have been three options:

'Yes we should sleep together, but only if it is safe.'
'I want to be with you. but shouldn't sleep togther because I don't want to risk you dying.'
'I think it would be better for us to remain friends as this won't work.'

Leaving behind the big picture of overal Bioware policy conserning sex as the only way to express the love , id like to focus on the Tali romance only in that mather. Tali seems to be soo much into "feel (sheherds) skin against" hers becouse she belives it is only way to prove Him she is the capable woman for him and she can be all the same if not bether for him than Ahley Liara or whoever else.

It is not Shepherd who pushes it, it is her, as she belives it is right and only necessary  thing to do, not because there is no love without sex in her opinion, but becouse for her it is the ultimate sacrifice and dact of dedications that she is willing to forfeit evrything for that relationship. For Her it is all in, all or nothing - I feel that Tali simply is that kind of person who woudl feel bad not to engage wholeheartly in the relationship. She whants to prove her feelings are just and honest, if she couldnt make that fianl sarcifice it would mean her feelings are not worthy to bother Shepherd with, she would feel like ruining his life,as he would deserve bether more fitting woman who would be willing to make this kind of sacrifices.
That is all Tali'Zorah always putting the happines of the others before herself. This is really soo adorable and heartwarming to feel her beeing sooo dedicated with her Love. This is just too overwhelming to just let her go. I was soo captiveated by her form the first moment, and my feeling grew with her every word spoken, back from the ME 1. You guys have to be hearless to just let her go. On my first playthrough of ME2  I planed to stay faithfull to Ash, but whole my resolve shatered, as I was falling in love rapidly with the one one true Love intrest in the game.
There was no other way for me....

[Collider]

I don't think it's necessarily a matter of disputing her assessment. Tali's assessment is partly that it could kill her or make her sick & thereby put her out of commission. Either of the two would mean that she can't contribute to the suicide mission.



That said, I agree with what was said earlier.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

The fact that Tali says 'linking suits' as opposed to 'getting nekkid,' suggests that she will be expanding her suit's 'decontamination area?' to include Shepard. I know she has the 'I want to feel your skin against mine,' line. But I imagined that linking suits wouldn't leave her completely unprotected, and therefore, the relationship with Shepard wouldn't be deadly.

[Nodscouter]

Nice post angmir. Wholeheartedly agree. Althought I do think that if Shepard rejected her for him being afraid of her health, I don't think she would break up the relationship. I mean, she went over 2 years suppressing her feelings and I don't think she would let her chance slip now just because her partner is extremely concerned about her health.



That being said, it's not like I've rejected Tali in any of my playthroughs to this date and I don't intend to do that.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

And besides, all she did was get a fever in the end. And like I said, it was WORTH IT lol

[NuclearBuddha]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

The fact that Tali says 'linking suits' as opposed to 'getting nekkid,' suggests that she will be expanding her suit's 'decontamination area?' to include Shepard. I know she has the 'I want to feel your skin against mine,' line. But I imagined that linking suits wouldn't leave her completely unprotected, and therefore, the relationship with Shepard wouldn't be deadly.

Linking suits is a platonic act of trust for quarians.  Tali mentions that whether Shep romances her or not, as long as she's loyal.

"Feeling your skin against mine" is something else entirely.  :3

[james1976]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

The fact that Tali says 'linking suits' as opposed to 'getting nekkid,' suggests that she will be expanding her suit's 'decontamination area?' to include Shepard. I know she has the 'I want to feel your skin against mine,' line. But I imagined that linking suits wouldn't leave her completely unprotected, and therefore, the relationship with Shepard wouldn't be deadly.

Linking suits is a platonic act of trust for quarians.  Tali mentions that whether Shep romances her or not, as long as she's loyal.

"Feeling your skin against mine" is something else entirely.  :3

Yes, and Tali mentions linking suits no matter if Shepard is male or female as well.

[james1976]

Angmir wrote...

Leaving behind the big picture of overal Bioware policy conserning sex as the only way to express the love , id like to focus on the Tali romance only in that mather. Tali seems to be soo much into "feel (sheherds) skin against" hers becouse she belives it is only way to prove Him she is the capable woman for him and she can be all the same if not bether for him than Ahley Liara or whoever else.

Do you think Tali feels threatened by the other LI choices in Shepard's life and that act of his skin against her is just to prove she can be just as good as the rest of them?  I didn't get that impression.  Tali is outspoken and often voices her opinion or concern.  Seems like she might have mentioned it another way if she were to feel that way.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Indeedy, what I meant was I imagined that (and this is a very sci-fi idea) there would be a sort of 'field' around where Tali and Shepard are having a good time, that prevents additional germs from entering. I dunno, that is what popped into my head when 'linking suits' was mentioned. I think she still had protection for her immune system, even though she would have taken off the envirosuit.

[NuclearBuddha]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
Indeedy, what I meant was I imagined that (and this is a very sci-fi idea) there would be a sort of 'field' around where Tali and Shepard are having a good time, that prevents additional germs from entering. I dunno, that is what popped into my head when 'linking suits' was mentioned. I think she still had protection for her immune system, even though she would have taken off the envirosuit.

Even if that were the case, Shep would be a seething mass of germs and other contaminants inside the safe zone.

Her protection was the antibiotics and herbal supplements she mentions taking.

[Link112]

The only protection she really had during "the deed" was bolstering her immune system temporarily. I got the impression that Tali's face was but the first part of her body Shepard saw, heh.

Also, not to get too off topic, but I just noticed the "Kasumi for LI" banner, and I always got the impression she was more into Jacob than Shepard, but that is a conversation for another day, not to mention another thread.

Modifié par Link112, 16 février 2011 - 10:59 .

[Angmir]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Indeedy, what I meant was I imagined that (and this is a very sci-fi idea) there would be a sort of 'field' around where Tali and Shepard are having a good time, that prevents additional germs from entering. I dunno, that is what popped into my head when 'linking suits' was mentioned. I think she still had protection for her immune system, even though she would have taken off the envirosuit.

I see there is another threat to discus about

Again in my humble opinion I must dissagre with your point here. This is unlikly so they use any kind of force field to prevent further germs invading Talis immmune system. It it realty was the case, she would definetly mention it during preparation conversation. The fact is that space ships like Normany are already quite sterile enviroments, and I belive they are decontaminated frequently, so unless Shepherd applyies tha basic hygienic countermesures, his room would contain little if any additonal bacteria, besides his own.
It was always about Tali "embracing" whatever germs Shepheard could have and make use to them, so she was aware she could risk removing her suit (partialy maybe) in his cabin. She took some immunobusters eariler , still she was unsure of her body reaction to Shepheards bacteric flora. Their matching proved to just good enought, so i belive Tali absorbed much of Shepherds germs and with time she can get use to them in some way (she would always be exposed and prone to any infections Shepherd can get nontheless, so the risk is everpresent - like durring the whole Qaurian life).

As you can see there is no need to further dig in the topic and develop jet another futile and baseless theories to make for it, as evrything is pretty explained in the game allready. Whole preperation talks with Tali (twice), mordin, even Garus and Kasumi mentions somthing about the "mating with aliens"? Why looking for somthing that aint there.
Although such reaserch can still lead us to intresting foundings, this one seems pretty obvious to me.

Modifié par Angmir, 16 février 2011 - 11:05 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

I wish I had something to add to this conversation... I guess I'm just dumb



But to be on topic and not to throw off the conversation, but are there any theories as to how Tali eats?

[NuclearBuddha]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
But to be on topic and not to throw off the conversation, but are there any theories as to how Tali eats?

Hooks up a tube of nutrient paste?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

I always thought it was that flashing thing on her helmet.

[FsDxRAGE]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

And, to quote Seven Samurai: when a man sees death in his path, he longs for the embrace of a woman.

Buddha, have I ever told you I love you?

[Angmir]

On the diffrent matter - anyone can find video on youtube from the conversation with Liara about "making Miss vas Normandy a home" ?

If you do plz paste a link here

Modifié par Angmir, 17 février 2011 - 12:19 .

[NuclearBuddha]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

And, to quote Seven Samurai: when a man sees death in his path, he longs for the embrace of a woman.

Buddha, have I ever told you I love you?

Not today.

Angmir wrote...

On the diffrent matter - anyone can find
video on youtube from the conversation with Liara about "making Miss vas
Normandy a home" ?

If you do plz paste a link here

Here.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 17 février 2011 - 12:37 .

[Angmir]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Angmir wrote...

On the diffrent matter - anyone can find
video on youtube from the conversation with Liara about "making Miss vas
Normandy a home" ?

If you do plz paste a link here

Here.

THX that was one hard vieo to find - the title got me confused (no Tali in the title )

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Thanks for posting that, NuclearBuddha. I wanted to see that video myself.

[thesuperdarkone]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 février 2011 - 02:38 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]