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[FsDxRAGE]

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Modifié par FsDxRAGE, 17 février 2011 - 04:17 .

[james1976]

I'm guessing those will be pleasant dreams

[NuclearBuddha]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

wut?

*snip*

LOL, just like old times.

Anyway, the video was courtesy of Someone With Mass, one of the Clan Zorah regulars.

[Rune-Chan]

On the note of Tali's immune system and physical relationships, she says something along the lines of "The greatest sign of trust between two quarians is to link up their suit environments, they get sick at first but then their bodies adjust".

This suggests that in theory Tali could get used to Shepard and no longer sick get from him.

The obvious problem with this is is that a quarian is always kept inside their suit so they wouldn't have "outside" germs on them, whereas Shepard does. So assuming that Shepard had a sterilisation procedure (as in, anti-germs, not having a vasectomy )  and made himself as germ free as possible via other means, and assuming they used a "sterlisised room" Tali could remove her suit around Shepard without getting sick.

Obviously there are still risks, but considerably less than what a romanced Tali and Shepard have taken before.

[Wolfen Extra]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

wut?

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Nice!

[Alienmorph]

Machines Are Us wrote...

On the note of Tali's immune system and physical relationships, she says something along the lines of "The greatest sign of trust between two quarians is to link up their suit environments, they get sick at first but then their bodies adjust".

This suggests that in theory Tali could get used to Shepard and no longer sick get from him.

The obvious problem with this is is that a quarian is always kept inside their suit so they wouldn't have "outside" germs on them, whereas Shepard does. So assuming that Shepard had a sterilisation procedure (as in, anti-germs, not having a vasectomy )  and made himself as germ free as possible via other means, and assuming they used a "sterlisised room" Tali could remove her suit around Shepard without getting sick.

Obviously there are still risks, but considerably less than what a romanced Tali and Shepard have taken before.

In theory if Shepard uses the necessary decontamination procedures and they stay toghether in a well sealed and/or sterylized place it's even possible that Tali would adapt easier to him than to another quarian, because of their biochemic incompatibility will make impossible for her to contract viruses or so from him. The fact that her reaction to their first time toghether was relatively moderate is an ulterios proof to that... okay she took immuno-boosts and so on, but we know that quarians can be sick for weeks only for have spent a few time suitless without sexual activities involved, like happened to Shala'Raan when she assistes to Tali's birth. Tali got something like a big flu, but nothing more... and it was her fist time outside the suit, her first time having sex and it happened in a non-sterile area.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 17 février 2011 - 12:05 .

[Rune-Chan]

Alienmorph wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

On the note of Tali's immune system and physical relationships, she says something along the lines of "The greatest sign of trust between two quarians is to link up their suit environments, they get sick at first but then their bodies adjust".

This suggests that in theory Tali could get used to Shepard and no longer sick get from him.

The obvious problem with this is is that a quarian is always kept inside their suit so they wouldn't have "outside" germs on them, whereas Shepard does. So assuming that Shepard had a sterilisation procedure (as in, anti-germs, not having a vasectomy )  and made himself as germ free as possible via other means, and assuming they used a "sterlisised room" Tali could remove her suit around Shepard without getting sick.

Obviously there are still risks, but considerably less than what a romanced Tali and Shepard have taken before.

In theory if Shepard uses the necessary decontamination procedures and they stay toghether in a well sealed and/or sterylized place it's even possible that Tali would adapt easier to him than to another quarian, because of their biochemic incompatibility will make impossible for her to contract viruses or so from him. The fact that her reaction to their first time toghether was relatively moderate is an ulterios proof to that... okay she took immuno-boosts and so on, but we know that quarians can be sick for weeks only for have spent a few time suitless without sexual activities involved, like happened to Shala'Raan when she assistes to Tali's birth. Tali got something like a big flu, but nothing more... and it was her fist time outside the suit, her first time having sex and it happened in a non-sterile area.

Exactly, although we probably shouldn't mention it to the more obsessive Talimancers or they will probably demand frequent sex scenes between the two in Mass Effect 3.

[Alienmorph]

lol, you're right.

[Nodscouter]

But I've been wondering... did they actually have sex? I mean, sure, all the immuno-boosters and ''herbal supplements'' would help, but I still doubt she would get such a small reaction from being outside her whole suit. I don't know the strength of the immuno-boosters or the supplements, but they would have to be pretty goddamn good seeing as ''one kiss could put me in the hospital'' normally.

[NuclearBuddha]

Nodscouter wrote...
But I've been wondering... did they actually have sex? I mean, sure, all the immuno-boosters and ''herbal supplements'' would help, but I still doubt she would get such a small reaction from being outside her whole suit. I don't know the strength of the immuno-boosters or the supplements, but they would have to be pretty goddamn good seeing as ''one kiss could put me in the hospital'' normally.

It's open to debate of course.  But I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that "feel your skin against mine" and "share myself with you" wasn't just some kissing and heavy petting.

[NuclearBuddha]

Machines Are Us wrote...

On the note of Tali's immune system and physical relationships, she says something along the lines of "The greatest sign of trust between two quarians is to link up their suit environments, they get sick at first but then their bodies adjust".

This suggests that in theory Tali could get used to Shepard and no longer sick get from him.

The obvious problem with this is is that a quarian is always kept inside their suit so they wouldn't have "outside" germs on them, whereas Shepard does. So assuming that Shepard had a sterilisation procedure (as in, anti-germs, not having a vasectomy )  and made himself as germ free as possible via other means, and assuming they used a "sterlisised room" Tali could remove her suit around Shepard without getting sick.

Obviously there are still risks, but considerably less than what a romanced Tali and Shepard have taken before.

While I do think she might acclimate a little more to Shep as time goes on, he's a moving target in terms of the crud he's putting out.  His personal biosphere of bacteria, contaminants, etc. is going to constantly be changing.

I don't know much about sterilization (in the cleaning sense) in the future, but I can tell you that no matter how you scrub, you cease being clean the moment you open your mouth.

[FsDxRAGE]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...
But I've been wondering... did they actually have sex? I mean, sure, all the immuno-boosters and ''herbal supplements'' would help, but I still doubt she would get such a small reaction from being outside her whole suit. I don't know the strength of the immuno-boosters or the supplements, but they would have to be pretty goddamn good seeing as ''one kiss could put me in the hospital'' normally.

It's open to debate of course.  But I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that "feel your skin against mine" and "share myself with you" wasn't just some kissing and heavy petting.

Indeed, with you on this one.
Also, Mordin's speech is a big hint too.

[Nodscouter]

Well, Mordin has no sex drive despite his knowledge of the subject. If I remember correctly he also advises on sex with Garrus and we know how that turns out I believe. ''Feel your skin against mine'' and ''share myself with you'' might indicate that yes, but that's hardly enough for a conclusive answer. I just feel it seems like a far too small reaction if she'd gone out of her suit completely, even with all her supplements.



But of course, it's open to debate. I have to admit that the ''And it was totally worth it'' was said in a bit of suggestive tone and could be a reference to that, but I think we'll just have to wait for ME3. I'm going to assume there would be some reference to that in ME3 if she did take off her whole suit.

[NuclearBuddha]

Nodscouter wrote...
Well, Mordin has no sex drive despite his knowledge of the subject. If I remember correctly he also advises on sex with Garrus and we know how that turns out I believe. ''Feel your skin against mine'' and ''share myself with you'' might indicate that yes, but that's hardly enough for a conclusive answer. I just feel it seems like a far too small reaction if she'd gone out of her suit completely, even with all her supplements.

But of course, it's open to debate. I have to admit that the ''And it was totally worth it'' was said in a bit of suggestive tone and could be a reference to that, but I think we'll just have to wait for ME3. I'm going to assume there would be some reference to that in ME3 if she did take off her whole suit.

You don't think Garrus and femShep went the fully Monty?  'Cause I was assuming they did, too.  I mean, their discussion on the matter at the start of the romance made that seem like a foregone conclusion, even if all we got on-screen was a head-bump.  The talk was, if anything, more frank than what Tali says.

Edit:  Also, again, not an expert on quarian biology, but if you're going to go mouth to mouth, you're already taking all the risks, so there's no point in not getting everything one can out of the experience.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 17 février 2011 - 03:25 .

[Rune-Chan]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Edit:  Also, again, not an expert on quarian biology, but if you're going to go mouth to mouth, you're already taking all the risks, so there's no point in not getting everything one can out of the experience.

Indeed. To put it bluntly and as tastefully as possible:

She'd get a lot more germs from Shepard from kissing him (properly) than she would if they had full on sex using protection and from general skin exposure to the air.

I always thought it was pretty obvious that they did have sex, and the same goes for Garrus (Mordin says "be careful of chafing").

If they didn't there'd have been no need to fade to black as soon as she kissed him.

[Nodscouter]

No I do not believe Garrus and femShep ''went the fully Monty'' (Never, ever heard that expression before). While yes, the whole romance was centered around that it seemed like that kinda stopped at the last romance scene. With all the ''I want something to go right'' and then not a single hint of them doing it, I find it doubtful. Anyways, while Garrus is awesome, this conversation better belongs in the Calibrations thread.

Also, not an expert here either but I think that exposing her whole body might be a bit riskier than just the face. Not sure here either though.

Edit: Maybe. I see your point but the fade to the black doesn't need to imply sex. It could just be a ''Okay, they're kissing. We get it. Time to go invade the collectors''. The scene doesn't have to be that long you know. I already felt it was quite a bit too long in the first game.

Also, again, Mordin's advice doesn't have to mean anything. He just gives the advice in the case they DO have sex. There's no guarantee they actually did it.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 17 février 2011 - 03:32 .

[FsDxRAGE]

like Nod said, I hope they tell us exactly what happened in the two hours before the Omega 4.

I mean all the staff probably knows, from looking at this forum in particular, that there is debate on the matter of them having sex.

[Nodscouter]

The only problem with discussing the sex thing here is that if someone who didn't read the thread comes by and sees the discussion they'll be all ''Oh wow, the Talimancer rumours were true! They really all are 40-year-old virgins sitting in their basements ******''

[Rune-Chan]

Nodscouter wrote...

The only problem with discussing the sex thing here is that if someone who didn't read the thread comes by and sees the discussion they'll be all ''Oh wow, the Talimancer rumours were true! They really all are 40-year-old virgins sitting in their basements ******''

I was about to say something about that myself.

Then again, if people don't read the conversation from the start, I don't really care what they think about a discussion out of context.

I should also point out that generally speaking a fade-to-black when you have to people being "intimate" is pretty much universially used to avoid showing sex in media that children may be experiencing while letting adults who "get it" know that it is happening.

I think it's pretty naive to assume that they didn't.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 17 février 2011 - 03:42 .

[Null_]

I actually doubt shepard and tali had sex.They just kissed and hugged abit. Tali only had faceplate removed. But thats up to you to decide, thats why the rommance scene faded out, same with Garrus.

Modifié par Null_, 17 février 2011 - 03:40 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Nodscouter wrote...
The only problem with discussing the sex thing here is that if someone who didn't read the thread comes by and sees the discussion they'll be all ''Oh wow, the Talimancer rumours were true! They really all are 40-year-old virgins sitting in their basements ******''

Other fan threads discuss this sort of thing, too.  I think it's being addressed in a reasonably mature manner at the moment.

[NuclearBuddha]

Machines Are Us wrote...
I should also point out that generally speaking a fade-to-black when you have to people being "intimate" is pretty much universially used to avoid showing sex in media that children may be experiencing while letting adults who "get it" know that it is happening.

I think it's pretty naive to assume that they didn't.

Like you say, the way it's presented sure gives the indication that there was a reason to fade to black.  And, uh, she was kind of enthusiastic in her approach.

But everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

[Nodscouter]

Being her first time and the fact that she supressed her feelings for two years is a relatively good reason for her enthusiasm, although I do see your point. Maybe it was presented in that way but I don't think that really matters.

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...
The only problem with discussing the sex thing here is that if someone who didn't read the thread comes by and sees the discussion they'll be all ''Oh wow, the Talimancer rumours were true! They really all are 40-year-old virgins sitting in their basements ******''

Other fan threads discuss this sort of thing, too. I think it's being addressed in a reasonably mature manner at the moment.

It is. I have no problem with our actual debate in itself. Just because we're happening to discuss sex doesn't mean we're being immature. I'm just noting the fact that there seems to be a zero-tolerance policy to mentioning Tali and sex in the same sentence to the rest of the forum. We Talimancers do have a pretty bad bias on us from alot of forumites (Slightly reminiscent of the Quarian issue)

Machines Are Us wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...

The only problem with discussing the sex thing here is that if someone who didn't read the thread comes by and sees the discussion they'll be all ''Oh wow, the Talimancer rumours were true! They really all are 40-year-old virgins sitting in their basements ******''

I should also point out that generally speaking a fade-to-black when you have to people being "intimate" is pretty much universially used to avoid showing sex in media that children may be experiencing while letting adults who "get it" know that it is happening.

I think it's pretty naive to assume that they didn't.

Yes, generally speaking it does imply that, but it doesn't have to be an universal fact. In ME1 we didn't exactly get a fade to black. Fade-to-blacks are not just for sex scenes censored for children, they have many other reasons too. This one for example might just be a done-with-the-romance-scene-let's-move-to-the-next-scene

Also, calling me naive is probably more of an Ad Hominem attack than an actual argument. You don't have to be naive to believe that they didn't have to sex there and naiviety has nothing to do with this discussion.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 17 février 2011 - 04:00 .

[ImmortalWarrior]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

While I do think she might acclimate a little more to Shep as time goes on, he's a moving target in terms of the crud he's putting out.  His personal biosphere of bacteria, contaminants, etc. is going to constantly be changing.

I don't know much about sterilization (in the cleaning sense) in the future, but I can tell you that no matter how you scrub, you cease being clean the moment you open your mouth.

We can't exclude the possibility that acclimating to a particular type of contaminant wouldn't give resistance to a very similar contaminant.  Though there are thousands of different bacterias in and on the human body, much of them can be associated with a particular variety.  Adjusting to the presence of one may infact add resistance to dozens of others as well.  Giving protection against ones that she may never have come into contact with.  Works the same for allergies in humans.

Modifié par ImmortalWarrior, 17 février 2011 - 04:12 .