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[ImmortalWarrior]

Alienmorph wrote...

Yes, off course no big grey head, or things too creepy, but why they should have the same headshape of us?

Their headshape isn't likely to be that much different.  Female helmets aren't nearly as large or as oddly shapen as the males.  And the female helment doesn't offer a lot of room for drastic differences from human shaped heads.


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Modifié par ImmortalWarrior, 18 février 2011 - 06:38 .

[Niulus Kriyk]

Has anyone notice that Semi-U shape back of Tali's neck? under her hood? What could that be? I've not seen it in other quarians Maybe part of her suit..

[Nodscouter]

I heard it was to make her more ''human-ish''.

[Rusty Pabst]

One of my favorite Tali images:







http://masseffectscr...tains-spoilers/ (WARNING: Contains a spoiler image from the DLC assignment Overlord.)

[Collider]

Great pictures.

[MadMapper]

Nodscouter wrote...

Say you had been able to romance her in ME1, would you have gone for it?

For me...yes, even if I prefer that she's not romanceable  in ME1.
The fact that their relationship builds up from friendship to love is so... so "paragon", so pure and joyful, that exceeds their being alien to each other... it's really romantic.

And I like her chicken legs. I don't find them revolting like someone does, as well as her hands and feet. (Romancing an H.R. Giger's Alien, THAT would be revolting.)

[LordPennlocke]

Nodscouter wrote... Say you had been able to romance her in ME1, would you have gone for it?

Of course. But a fan would be inclined to wonder. Would it have tugged at your heartstrings more if she spent 2 years mourning the loss of Shepard before confiding her true feelings in him? Or having confided in him before the Collector attack, and then losing her love for 2 years?

Modifié par LordPennlocke, 18 février 2011 - 10:05 .

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Due to what the fans want I think she will be attractive, and still look alien.
And even though, I too love the mystery of Tali face. I also want to see what she looks like in ME3. It is the last of the trilogy, and if we don't see it then, then we probably never will.
The Fox News thing really annoyed me. It is stupid to publically make false accusations against something that you know NOTHING about. Absolutely nothing. Utterly stupid for such a major News organisation not to at least look up on the facts.
But it messed with public opinion of ME. And so I think that some of the romance scenes (and dialogue) in ME2 suffered as a consequence, partcularly Tali and Garrus'.

That kinda bothers me, it's like the same situation as Thane fans trying to get a "cure." Bioware made the first two games, and I gotta say, they did a pretty damn good job. I don't think "what the fans want" should influence changes to characters or the storyline, because that is what's keeping the game from being one of those cliche stories with the perfect ending. I can't lie, I won't be disapointed if she turns out to be attracive, but only if it's what Bioware intended, and not just because the fans wanted it. If you go to see a movie, and you get to decide eveything about the movie, then what's the point? Go make your own damn movie. Do you see what I'm saying?

Modifié par DJCS, 19 février 2011 - 01:35 .

[Link112]

Honestly, for me:

It's odd. I always liked Tali, but it's only with ME2 that I REALLY started liking her. I was all about Liara in the first game (whose approach to the romance was similar to Tali's in two, in the whole awkward and adorable department) and would have only gone back to romance Tali during a different playthrough. She just grew on me so much more during ME2.

Also, I know this probably belongs in another thread, but this is the only one that matters :-P

Anyone else make the connection that Matriarch Aethyta (the bartender on Illium) is Liara's "father" ?  It seemed obvious to me, but a whole bunch of my friends were like "What?"

As far as Fox "News" goes, it's upsetting but not at all surprising.

Modifié par Link112, 19 février 2011 - 02:36 .

[jacobOriley]

Link112 wrote...

Honestly, for me:

It's odd. I always liked Tali, but it's only with ME2 that I REALLY started liking her. I was all about Liara in the first game (whose approach to the romance was similar to Tali's in two, in the whole awkward and adorable department) and would have only gone back to romance Tali during a different playthrough. She just grew on me so much more during ME2.



Anyone else make the connection that Matriarch Aethyta (the bartender on Illium) is Liara's "father" ? "

.

I actually played ME 2 first, with no idea what was possible and no idea of ME1. I played through as just a bachelor soldier and after falling head over heals for Tali, immediately turned around to play ME1. I know it's backwards, but when I played through ME1 I seriously tried to know all the characters and the possible LI's. I was still drawn by the young Quarian and the friendship. I didn't see the appeal of Ash or Liara and was slightly disappointed that Tali wasn't an LI, but man did that make the next playthru of ME2 and romance with Tali more meaningful and special. She went with my Shepard everywhere (and usually Garrus).


The part of that quote I bolded made me scratch my head ( and it is for another thread )

[MadMapper]

Link112 wrote...

t's odd. I always liked Tali, but it's only with ME2 that I REALLY started liking her. I was all about Liara in the first game (whose approach to the romance was similar to Tali's in two, in the whole awkward and adorable department) and would have only gone back to romance Tali during a different playthrough. She just grew on me so much more during ME2.

That's the same for me.

[Nodscouter]

I loved both Tali and Garrus from the start. I am however glad that they didn't make her an LI in ME1 for the single reason that that would mean she probably wouldn't be on the squad in ME2.
Only romanced Liara because the other choice was Ashley (Xenophobe) or no romance, and I had no idea there would be new romances in the second game. Of course, I'm now doing a playthrough of ME1 again with my infiltrator Aleksandr Shepard and making damn sure to not romance anyone but Tali in the whole series, due to the fact that I'm quite afraid of negative reactions in the third game.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 19 février 2011 - 10:42 .

[Alienmorph]

I'm doing me too a secondary canon with no romances in ME1, but I'll probably import first the playtrought where Shep 'manced Liara in ME1, to see what happens. Then if something really bad happens because I dumped the ME1's romance for Tali, I'll use the romancless playtrought as canon.

About the rest I dunno really what I've done if Tali was romanceable since the beginning... in my first 2 playtroughts at ME1 I didn't like her particularry... I was all Wrex 'n Liara... I got gradually, but deeper, affected to her and Garrus... then came ME2, and after found out how boring was for me Miranda I felt so natural to pair my Shep with Tali... meh, I guess that at the end things are already good as they are... the longer development of their story instead of the "flirting 5 minutes after we met" thing that happened with Ash and Liara makes the Tali's romance much better.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 19 février 2011 - 11:13 .

[NuclearBuddha]

jacobOriley wrote...
I actually played ME 2 first, with no idea what was possible and no idea of ME1. I played through as just a bachelor soldier and after falling head over heals for Tali, immediately turned around to play ME1. I know it's backwards, but when I played through ME1 I seriously tried to know all the characters and the possible LI's. I was still drawn by the young Quarian and the friendship. I didn't see the appeal of Ash or Liara and was slightly disappointed that Tali wasn't an LI, but man did that make the next playthru of ME2 and romance with Tali more meaningful and special. She went with my Shepard everywhere (and usually Garrus).

That is a cool perspective.  I've always wondered about people who've only played the 2nd game or the 2nd game first.  Most of the discussion around here assumes that people played everything in order.

As for myself, I was pretty jaded about ME1.  I bought it mostly to see if BW really could break away from the SW license.  I thought the setting was kind of phony in its supposedly "realism" and wasn't that into the characters.  I despised Wrex, thought Garrus was a renegade cop cookie-cutter, and couldn't really get into Ash of Liara.  I was also disgusted by the "I'm a racist/Aliens are always right" Renegade/Paragon divide.  I pretty much 'manced Liara because she was the alien option.  That said, I liked Tali's design more, and would have been more interested in her, but I knew before starting that she was not an option.

ME2 changed pretty much everything for me.  It was a cool surprise to see Tali so early in the game (I hadn't been spoiled on that detail) and that the frustrating work I put in getting her the geth data was carried over in the import.  The setting is still goofy, but I can understand a little better what they're trying to do, so I can forgive it.  I was genuinely happy to get Garrus back on the team, since I really needed one of the old squaddies back.  Heck, i was even touched by Wrex's greeting to Shep when you finally do meet him.  I found myself wishing Liara was around and was kind of affronted by her reaction.

And then there was Tali.  Like Garrus, and unlike everyone else, she came back.  And that was important.

[Nodscouter]

Agreed. I still wonder if Tali would have been on the crew in ME2 if you manced her in ME1 (If she'd been manceable). Would have been interesting if you could mance her and have her on the crew in ME2.

[Eterna1Soldier]

I too was disappointed that we couldn't romance Tali in ME1. Ashley and Liara were as about exciting as watching paint dry.

[Nodscouter]

It does make the ME2 romance quite a bit more interesting though.

[Spectre_907]

I prefer romancing Tali in ME2. Everyone else from ME turns your back on you but her and Garrus. That coupled with your previous established mentor-student relationship makes for better storytelling I think. Not dissappointed at all with the fact that she was not romancable in ME.

Eterna1Soldier wrote...

I too was disappointed that we couldn't romance Tali in ME1. Ashley and Liara were as about exciting as watching paint dry.

Liara basically throws herself at you. Ash's romance seems to have a little more depth. But both always seemed like flings rather than an actual romance.

[Null_]

Eterna1Soldier wrote...

I too was disappointed that we couldn't romance Tali in ME1. Ashley and Liara were as about exciting as watching paint dry.

Indeed...Ashley never entered my party once I was done with Citadel(first visit)...Liara "my head hurts come check on me please" was just eh... In the long run tho its good that Tali wasnt romanceable in ME1.. She could get wrexed in ME2... I just hope there is some kind of extra dialogue/bonus w/e for not romancing anyone in ME1 and getting Tali the geth data in ME1

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I played ME1 before ME2, and for a femshep, I wanted a Garrus LI since the beginning instead of Kaidan or Liara. And for maleshep, I wanted Tali to be an LI instead of Ashley and Liara.
None of the ME1 LI's did it for me. Just the non-romance options...
However, I would have tried both romances had they been available, but I preffered how they were done in ME2. The fact that they didn't explicitly show their interest in the first game because of the obvious complications, and that they waited for Shepard makes their romances unique.
With Tali, she had interests that she supressed which I think gives the romance in ME2 more depth.
So yeah, I like the romance being in ME2 as opposed to ME1.

DJCS wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Due to what the fans want I think she will be attractive, and still look alien.
And even though, I too love the mystery of Tali face. I also want to see what she looks like in ME3. It is the last of the trilogy, and if we don't see it then, then we probably never will.
The Fox News thing really annoyed me. It is stupid to publically make false accusations against something that you know NOTHING about. Absolutely nothing. Utterly stupid for such a major News organisation not to at least look up on the facts.
But it messed with public opinion of ME. And so I think that some of the romance scenes (and dialogue) in ME2 suffered as a consequence, partcularly Tali and Garrus'.

That kinda bothers me, it's like the same situation as Thane fans trying to get a "cure." Bioware made the first two games, and I gotta say, they did a pretty damn good job. I don't think "what the fans want" should influence changes to characters or the storyline, because that is what's keeping the game from being one of those cliche stories with the perfect ending. I can't lie, I won't be disapointed if she turns out to be attracive, but only if it's what Bioware intended, and not just because the fans wanted it. If you go to see a movie, and you get to decide eveything about the movie, then what's the point? Go make your own damn movie. Do you see what I'm saying?

Look, I'm looking at things from a commercial perspective rather than a shallow or romanticised point of view. Of course Bioware will make Tali 'attractive' for commercial reasons.
Also, as a Drellicker, you have the wrong perspective of Thane fans. I don't know any Drellickers who want a magical cure. We all think that would cheapen the story. We would rather that Thane either has an amazing and emotionally charged death, or there should be a moral dilemna/sacrifice/consequence involved with a 'cure.' If things were really to be so simple as that.

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 19 février 2011 - 09:26 .

[Nodscouter]

Good post. The Thane fans that want a cure are in the very very small numbers, and thank god for that.

[Alienmorph]

You didn't say the Fight for the Cure initiative Nod, eh?

[Null_]

Thane's entire character resolves about dying...his rommance...his LM... his reason to actually join Shepard. A cure would killl this character sorry Thane fans... I like him too but if he is cured then he might aswell be called "Green sniper guy with biotics".

About Tali's face. I hope its never revealed to the player... but it probably will. I hope she doesnt just look like super cute human girl with glowing eyes(like that most popular fanart often used for sigs/avatars here...Yes I know she looks amazing on that..but it just doesnt fit the character)... Hopefully she is plain looking with atleast 1 "weird" by human standards feature...(diffrent mouth shape? ears?). Would fit character much more.

Modifié par Null_, 19 février 2011 - 09:56 .

[Alienmorph]

Fully agreed the things that needs to be done for Thane in ME3 are making him more plotworthy for being in the squad (really... what adds to the team? We have already enought snipers and biotics) and making the moment of his dead the most spectacular and/or emotive possible. No cure, unless it's made in an awesome way, and not just with a miracleous McGuffin... if there's a "cure-for-all serum" or similar crap I'll rampage.

Returning on Tali... she'll still be Tali even if her face is not how I expect, so let's reveal her true look if it's something done in the right way. If they won't, fine. Her whole story is about the fact of seeying a people more for her character than for her appearence, so if Shepard remains the only one who saw her, it will be ok.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 19 février 2011 - 10:05 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I'm glad you all agree. We are pretty realistic on the Thane thread. We recognise he may die, and we also know that the hanar won't produce a cure magically. But that is for the Thane thread.

I agree that Tali would need alien features. I know she already has different feet and she is dextro-based, but I have never seen quarians as having 'human' faces.

In fact, I always saw Tali as having a silvery/white/pale skin tone. What do you guys think?