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Who reports that they are always attacked? Miners or Pirates?

Legion states that 100 percent of the time, if it looks like the geth can be defeated in an encounter, they are attacked.


That doesn't mean no one has tried to go into veil without wanting violence.

I prefer the Quarian method: every ship that enters their territory is asked to identify themselves. That would obviously allow for greater chance for diplomacy.

The Geth need to get the word out that they want peace. Otherwise, nothing will change.



But I think things will change in ME3. Have loyal Tali and Legion on the squad, and there should be an option to steer the two races towards peace.



There are lot of other permutations though.

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Um, I think most of the ships that enter the Veil never come back at all. Isn't that said somewhere?


I don't think ships have had reasons to travel beyond the Veil. It's hard to navigate, there's a slight risk of geth attacks and whatnot.

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Not enough data.
Where were they? Heretic or Geth space?
Are the ships armed or unarmed?
Too many unknowns to answer anything really.
Bah, off topic and I apologize.

Back to Tali!

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Um, I think most of the ships that enter the Veil never come back at all. Isn't that said somewhere?


I don't think ships have had reasons to travel beyond the Veil. It's hard to navigate, there's a slight risk of geth attacks and whatnot.

Well if we look at Tali herself, she went into Geth territory in order to research a star. It wasn't an attempt to attack the Geth. Basically I wouldn't be surprised if there were expedition ships (quarian or otherwise) sent into the veil to research stuff and they never returned.

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I think it is said the geth fire upon anything that goes through the veil.


They must be very wide spread if they can detect any kind of ship like that.

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In defense of the geth, if everyone in the galaxy viewed you as a threat to be destroyed, you would probably attack anyone who approaches you too.

Still, it would probably have to be the geth who take the first step toward peace.

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The geth that attacked Heastrom are confirmed to be heretics if you take Legion with you. So Tali and her group got unlucky.

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Speaking of which, I wonder what will come out of that situation with Haestrom's dying sun.

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Speaking of which, I wonder what will come out of that situation with Haestrom's dying sun.

Also foreshadowing. Seems to be something that will have a role in ME3. Perhaps a large one, and consequently one that may very well have something to do with the Reapers. So Tali's research may very well come in handy.

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I think there will be something up with dark energy in ME3. There are several unresolved weird mentions of dark energy, Haestrom's sun among them.

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Also foreshadowing. Seems to be something that will have a role in ME3. Perhaps a large one, and consequently one that may very well have something to do with the Reapers. So Tali's research may very well come in handy.


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I wouldn't be surprised if Haestrom's star is the same one TIM's little base is located at. Especially considering how he was able to find Tali.




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Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...

Also foreshadowing. Seems to be something that will have a role in ME3. Perhaps a large one, and consequently one that may very well have something to do with the Reapers. So Tali's research may very well come in handy.


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The final battle will be won with Tali & Garrus by Shepard's side, alright. Wouldn't have it any other way.

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Shepard is just Tali's sidekick. Like Watson to Sherlock Holmes. Tali will always win the day.


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Well if we look at Tali herself, she went into Geth territory in order to research a star. It wasn't an attempt to attack the Geth. Basically I wouldn't be surprised if there were expedition ships (quarian or otherwise) sent into the veil to research stuff and they never returned.

I found Legion's explanation of the "true geth" to be just so...convenient. It basically absolves the "true geth" of everything bad the geth have ever done (Other than the Morning War). Attempted genocide of all life in the galaxy? Herectics. Impaling people on Dragon's Teeth to make husks? Heretics. Attacking innocent ships? Heretics. Massacring civilian populations? Heretics. I know Bioware won't pull some "It was a trick by Legion all along!" angle, so it's hard to swallow. 

I'm kinda surprised Tali didn't try to call Legion out on this. "Do you expect me to believe that everything the geth did during Sovereign's war was due to a geth splinter group?!" 

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How smart do you guys reckon Tali is? I mean I know she is smart, but how smart? Valedictorian of her high school smart? Summa ****** laude at Yale smart? And what kind of smart? Math smart? Analytical smart? Interpretive smart? I always thought ME was kind of vague in qualifying this. I mean she is an engineer and a darn good one so that tells us something, but she also seems to have a kind of general science knack about her too.

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Collider wrote...
Well if we look at Tali herself, she went into Geth territory in order to research a star. It wasn't an attempt to attack the Geth. Basically I wouldn't be surprised if there were expedition ships (quarian or otherwise) sent into the veil to research stuff and they never returned.

I found Legion's explanation of the "true geth" to be just so...convenient. It basically absolves the "true geth" of everything bad the geth have ever done (Other than the Morning War). Attempted genocide of all life in the galaxy? Herectics. Impaling people on Dragon's Teeth to make husks? Heretics. Attacking innocent ships? Heretics. Massacring civilian populations? Heretics. I know Bioware won't pull some "It was a trick by Legion all along!" angle, so it's hard to swallow. 

I'm kinda surprised Tali didn't try to call Legion out on this. "Do you expect me to believe that everything the geth did during Sovereign's attack was due to a splinter geth group?!" 

Well there's not much inter-party banter to begin with.

It is convenient for Legion to blame the heretics, but it would be lame if Legion turns out to be a liar in ME3. I could see the Geth stretching the truth in some way, but I'd hate for Legion to turn out to be a huge "got ya!"

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

How smart do you guys reckon Tali is? I mean I know she is smart, but how smart? Valedictorian of her high school smart? Summa ****** laude at Yale smart? And what kind of smart? Math smart? Analytical smart? Interpretive smart? I always thought ME was kind of vague in qualifying this. I mean she is an engineer and a darn good one so that tells us something, but she also seems to have a kind of general science knack about her too.


She is very smart. She is considered a technological genius among a species that is famous for being technological geniuses.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Haestrom's star is the same one TIM's little base is located at. Especially considering how he was able to find Tali.


In that case, I'll disable the station's engines and give the guy who started the whole thing a fruitbasket.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

How smart do you guys reckon Tali is? I mean I know she is smart, but how smart? Valedictorian of her high school smart? Summa ****** laude at Yale smart? And what kind of smart? Math smart? Analytical smart? Interpretive smart? I always thought ME was kind of vague is qualifying this. I mean she is an engineer and a darn good one so that tells us something, but she also seems to have a kind of general science knack about her too.

She's considered a genius among her people - a people known for their technological prowess. That itself is remarkable. The Quarians created the Geth who themselves are the most technologically advanced race.

She was most likely given the greatest education the Quarians could offer. She was the head of the science team for Haestrom. It is a little vague though. Generally speaking, I would put her areas of expertise in analytics, mathematics, engineering, information systems, and physics. A more succint and the point answer would be of course...engineering and the things associated.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

How smart do you guys reckon Tali is? I mean I know she is smart, but how smart? Valedictorian of her high school smart? Summa ****** laude at Yale smart? And what kind of smart? Math smart? Analytical smart? Interpretive smart? I always thought ME was kind of vague in qualifying this. I mean she is an engineer and a darn good one so that tells us something, but she also seems to have a kind of general science knack about her too.

Her file during the suicide mission states that she's a prodigy in technology even by quarian standards. 

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She also hacks a system created by a race of mechanical monstrosities that consume all life in the galaxy over and over. The only other people that can do that is a robot and a the greatest thief in the galaxy.

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So summa ****** laude at Yale smart then? I also wonder how much of that prowess is a result of her education, however. I mean the girl has to have talent, obviously, but do you think it really would have turned to "prodigy" status if she wasn't Rael'Zorah's daughter?

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I would love it if there was a portion of the game where you took control of a squadmate. Not like Joker's thing, 'cause really that was just moving him in a linear line while he and EDI had their conversations without your input. But instead, a portion of the game where you control one squadmate, dictate their dialogue, and have a couple ways to go about it. It would be a good way to highlight what makes each squadmate different. I can see Kasumi hacking her way in, but Tali uses her drone for recon instead to work around a problem.


I disagree to a point. I don't like the idea of controlling a character that is not your own. In any way. Ever.
I believe that (IMHO) you should not have any idea what happened on the Normandy. Instead of dropping down to a planet, the camera goes into the drop-shuttle where it shows you having a short conversation with your squad, and then EDI pops up giving you the message and a frantic conversation follows along with you turning the shuttle around. Different squadmates may have different reactions too, like Tali doing something to the shuttles engines so they can get back faster. Once you get back it follows the squads reaction to arriving back afterwards (Tali mentioning something about Gabby and Ken missing). It would be an opportunity for a renegade interrupt where you almost punch joker for losing the crew.


Back to what you're suggesting: I think that a movie-like cinematic like this may be better. EG: Your squad is set up in different positions around a building you need to storm. Tali/Legion is at the power facility ready to cut the power. Thane/Kasumi infiltrating without being seen ready to take out the watch guards/snipers. Zaeed/Grunt/Jack ready to storm the barracks and blow stuff up. Garrus/some other sniper in a position to take out some other guards from a distance. And finally someone leading another team to attack at the rear and cutting off escape routes. The decisions would be made much like the Suicide mission.
Camera shows shepard outside and ready. he tells the insiders to "go." Camera switches to a first person Tali/Legion view of some omni-tool magic, camera zooms out to a third person view as the power goes out. Camera switches to Thane/Kasumi in third person view  while the lights go out. You see slight movement indicating that they moved out and only a few "who's that?/ What the/[death scream]" from their targets. Garrus's scope cam. Perfect headshot on multiple targets. Zooms out to a turian smile. Then to the barracks as Grunt/Zaeed/Jack start wreaking havok (Grunt concussive shot/blast followed by blood-rage/Zaeed with firebomb thing/Jack with shockwave). Then back to shepard as each of those squad members confirm. Shepard tells second squad to move in and then the actual gameplay begins.As the mission progresses you will meet up with your other squadmates now and then. Afterwards Shepard will*slaps had away from keyboard*



If I don't stop now I never will. Very much OT:whistle: but still. I thought it was cool while writing this. Something that might fit int the final ME2-ME3 bridging DLC.


Back on topic now: Sooooo... Tali is pretty cool yes?:innocent:

In all seriousness: I think that Dark Energy will start to play a much larger technological role in the game. The reapers left the Mass Effect tech so that organic life will progress down paths they create. When the reapers return I would bet that they will use much more advanced technology that branch out from just mass effect field this, mass effect field that. They saw organic life starting to advance down other paths, so sovereign. I wouldn't be surprised if we see lots of Dark Energy based tech later on in ME3, more or less of that tech depending on how long from ME2 to ME3 there will be. And bringing this on topic: Tali would probably help develope/integrate this tech with the squad/normandy.
I realy should stop theorizing about ME3 this openly. I'm going to get shot.

Okay, thats my massive post for the day in which I try to contribute to every conversation at once. Its not entirely on topic but then again the topics responded to are not exactly 100% on topic either.

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She also hacks a system created by a race of mechanical monstrosities that consume all life in the galaxy over and over. The only other people that can do that is a robot and a the greatest thief in the galaxy.


Not to mention that she can hack synthetic lifeforms in just a matter of seconds and then keep it under her control for a long time. That takes skill, considering the geth's adaptability.