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#9026
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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Awesome!

Didn't know you were an artist.  You've been holding out on us!


Well..."artist" is an exaggeration, but thanks :D happy to help the fanbase :wub:

About armors...It would be really awesome if you could change armor parts and colors of squaddies in ME3. Like having 3-4 different versions for chest, arms, legs, head for each race's armour (for example human, asari and drell squaddies would share the same pieces), and 3-4 different textures/patterns as well... it's not very difficult to build up.

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I would like that too. Thought it would be pretty cool to customise squaddies armour in different bits like you can with Shepard. Although I love Tali's armour how it is. Purple looks great and the cloth design is also really cool.

And yeah, that was a great piece of fanart madmapper! I too, thought that snipers would be the logical choice for quarians. But in ME2 especially, you already had Garrus, Thane and Legion. In ME1 there was Garrus. And he outdoes all snipers.

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I'm a fan of a shotgun wielding Tali.



"Hotties with Shotties"



:-P

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Hehe! Nothing really rhymes with snipers, except for vipers... And there is a viper sniper rifle.

Hotties with shotties it is!

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Indeed. And damn nice work with that picture madmapper. It's good to know we have so many artists among our ranks.

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Actually I prefer her with a shotgun too. God I miss in ME1 where she had that HUGE shield and all those pretty and deadly ammunitions...

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MadMapper wrote...

Actually I prefer her with a shotgun too. God I miss in ME1 where she had that HUGE shield and all those pretty and deadly ammunitions...

Tali really should have allot more shield(and less health) in ME2. Like Legion with upgrades

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Link112 wrote...

I'm a fan of a shotgun wielding Tali.

"Hotties with Shotties"

:-P


That should be a Tali signature banner!

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Yeah, shotguns have really been downgraded in the second game...

And the signature is a great idea!

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Geth Pulse Shotgun is great on Tali. it works on almost every distance and eats shields/barriers FAST
funny thing my Tali used Pistols only in ME1(training one weapon only to have more pts for tech skills).Pistols were insane in ME1

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What leads you to like Tali more than Liara?



This isn't supposed to be provocative, I'm honestly curious. The two have fairly similar romantic buildups, but Liara has a lot more time and money invested into her romance, in addition to other "bonuses" like the mental connection and possibility of natural children. What keeps your passion for Tali aflame?

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Xilizhra wrote...

What leads you to like Tali more than Liara?

This isn't supposed to be provocative, I'm honestly curious. The two have fairly similar romantic buildups, but Liara has a lot more time and money invested into her romance, in addition to other "bonuses" like the mental connection and possibility of natural children. What keeps your passion for Tali aflame?


I can't speak for everyone, but I mostly like her for her personality. The mystery of her face plays a part as well.

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I can't speak for everyone, but I mostly like her for her personality. The mystery of her face plays a part as well.

I think most of us would agree with Ramirez on this one. Including me of course.

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I imagine so, but what about her personality specifically?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 février 2011 - 10:06 .


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Interesting question, and it's nice to see you presenting it in another way than 'lolz how can you like tali she sucks lololol''.



Anyway, I don't really known. I never really found Liara that interesting but I loved Tali from the beginning. It's a combination of her personality, speech and the fact that she doesn't abandon you like Liara (No offence). It's all really a matter of taste. You can't really say what romance is better. I for example, hate the Mirandamance, but yet according to statistics she was the most romanced option. Also, what exactly do you mean by ''more time and money invested''? I don't really understand what you meant by that.

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Her love for Shepard, her shyness and innocence (in ME1 for innocence), and her maturity in ME2. This isn't the best way to describe it, but for me, this how I feel.

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Xilizhra wrote...

What leads you to like Tali more than Liara?

This isn't supposed to be provocative, I'm honestly curious. The two have fairly similar romantic buildups, but Liara has a lot more time and money invested into her romance, in addition to other "bonuses" like the mental connection and possibility of natural children. What keeps your passion for Tali aflame?

Personality.She is loyal,caring,unselfish.I felt bad for her race ever since ME1 quarian codex entry and I really wished I could do something to help her. The amazing voice acting from Liz Sroka definitly helped aswell.She puts allot of emotion in everything she says...Also Shepard is her first love.She never trusted anyone like that before(this probably reminds me of myself).
Tali is just perfect.I dont care how she looks under the helmet, could have 8 eyes and I would still be in love.
Tali is someone you know you could trust for your whole life and would never betray you.
I havent actually try to rommance anyone else on my 8+ playthroughts throught both games.It would just feel wrong.

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the fact that she doesn't abandon you like Liara (No offence)


I know this isn't a Liara thread, but... playing a pivotal role in your resurrection doesn't sound like "abandoning" to me.



Also, what exactly do you mean by ''more time and money invested''? I don't really understand what you meant by that.


Liara had two games and a DLC for her romance to develop, while Tali only had one game.

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Null_ wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What leads you to like Tali more than Liara?

This isn't supposed to be provocative, I'm honestly curious. The two have fairly similar romantic buildups, but Liara has a lot more time and money invested into her romance, in addition to other "bonuses" like the mental connection and possibility of natural children. What keeps your passion for Tali aflame?

Personality.She is loyal,caring,unselfish.I felt bad for her race ever since ME1 quarian codex entry and I really wished I could do something to help her. The amazing voice acting from Liz Sroka definitly helped aswell.She puts allot of emotion in everything she says...Also Shepard is her first love.She never trusted anyone like that before(this probably reminds me of myself).
Tali is just perfect.I dont care how she looks under the helmet, could have 8 eyes and I would still be in love.
Tali is someone you know you could trust and would never betray you.


That was great! I personallly feel this way myself about Tali. That's why she's my favorite.

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I feel as if it's not really even a question for me. Liara and Tali are not so similar that it feels like I'm deciding between two flavors of the same thing.

My primary issue with Liara's romance was that it started too early. Liara became attracted to Shepard very early on. For me, it's a matter of taste - I did not feel that there was enough basis for Liara's romance for me to enjoy it. It's front and center shortly after you meet her, I did not feel like I earned it.

Moreover, I thought Liara was too based around her romance. It felt as if she was created for the purpose of having an (alien) love interest (in other words, she was created for romance). I cannot say for certain if this was the actual intention on Bioware's part, but that was the impression I got.

It was Tali's personality (that I personally preferred to Liara's) and the strength of her romance that made me choose her. So far as the "mystery" aspect that someone mentioned, I do not believe that Tali is a mysterious character and the fact that her face is covered did not factor in (other than her romance's theme of looking past the physical, which I liked).

Edit: I don't believe that Liara abandoned Shepard.

Modifié par Collider, 20 février 2011 - 10:23 .


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Xilizhra wrote...

the fact that she doesn't abandon you like Liara (No offence)

I know this isn't a Liara thread, but... playing a pivotal role in your resurrection doesn't sound like "abandoning" to me.

Also, what exactly do you mean by ''more time and money invested''? I don't really understand what you meant by that.

Liara had two games and a DLC for her romance to develop, while Tali only had one game.

I agree. Liara didnt abbandon Shepard. 

About 2 games and DLC thing. Tali was planned as ME1 rommance option but they cut it becuse "noone would be interested in someone with chicken legs" I dont know who made that call but it was huge mistake.

Liara is probably the official defaultShep rommance

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What do you think of the allegation that Tali's trying to get her father off for the crimes he did, in fact, commit was quite a selfish action, and her losing her loyalty was annoying and unwarranted (not my allegation, but I've seen it stated at some length)? Also, would you have preferred there to be a persuasion option for her to regain her loyalty, akin to Zaeed's?

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Tali's father is dead, and dead people cannot be punished. Revealing the evidence would cause more suffering for the quarians. Rael's mistakes are not worth that at all.



I actually did like that she lost her loyalty and that you could not persuade her. For one, being able to persuade her would remove some of the weight of the decision. Most importantly, not being able to persuade her showed that she was not going to bow down to almighty Shepard no matter what he did.



It also provided another conditional for her romance. Tali's romance is the most conditional in the series, and I liked that.

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Xilizhra wrote...

What do you think of the allegation that Tali's trying to get her father off for the crimes he did, in fact, commit was quite a selfish action, and her losing her loyalty was annoying and unwarranted (not my allegation, but I've seen it stated at some length)? Also, would you have preferred there to be a persuasion option for her to regain her loyalty, akin to Zaeed's?

Handing the evidence in isnt only about Tali. Try handing it in and then speak to Tali about what happens to Migrant fleet after.the fleet gets torn apart from inside.Its close to civil war pretty much. Also that evidence is what Legion is trying to send back to the Geth in Legion/Tali confrontation. Its enough to make Geth attack with full force.If you present it during the trial, then geth will find out about it 100%.
So even tho it sounds like witholding the evidence is only "so Tali wont be saaaad" its actually not.Bioware should have given some more clues just how bad it will be if evidence goes public.
The best option in my opinion was to rally the crowd(only avaible if you saved both Veetor and Kal)

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Xilizhra wrote...

What do you think of the allegation that Tali's trying to get her father off for the crimes he did, in fact, commit was quite a selfish action, and her losing her loyalty was annoying and unwarranted (not my allegation, but I've seen it stated at some length)? Also, would you have preferred there to be a persuasion option for her to regain her loyalty, akin to Zaeed's?


I agree that it is selfish, but it's a better option to not show the data as that divides the Quarians at a time when they need to be together. And to the second part, no, because I just feel like it is fine the way it is.