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[Xilizhra]

Collider wrote...

Tali's father is dead, and dead people cannot be punished. Revealing the evidence would cause more suffering for the quarians. Rael's mistakes are not worth that at all.

I actually did like that she lost her loyalty and that you could not persuade her. For one, being able to persuade her would remove some of the weight of the decision. Most importantly, not being able to persuade her showed that she was not going to bow down to almighty Shepard no matter what he did.

It also provided another conditional for her romance. Tali's romance is the most conditional in the series, and I liked that.

I'll say that a difference between Tali's and Zaeed's loyalty missions is that with Zaeed, without the persuasion option, taking the Paragon path would result in the loss of his loyalty no matter what. With Tali, it's possible to take a Renegade path without handing over the evidence.
What, by the way, does Shepard say if she lets Legion transmit the data during Tali's loyalty conflict, but then persuades Tali's loyalty back?

[ImmortalWarrior]

Collider wrote...

I feel as if it's not really even a question for me. Liara and Tali are not so similar that it feels like I'm deciding between two flavors of the same thing.

My primary issue with Liara's romance was that it started too early. Liara became attracted to Shepard very early on. For me, it's a matter of taste - I did not feel that there was enough basis for Liara's romance for me to enjoy it. It's front and center shortly after you meet her, I did not feel like I earned it.

Moreover, I thought Liara was too based around her romance. It felt as if she was created for the purpose of having an (alien) love interest (in other words, she was created for romance). I cannot say for certain if this was the actual intention on Bioware's part, but that was the impression I got.

It was Tali's personality (that I personally preferred to Liara's) and the strength of her romance that made me choose her. So far as the "mystery" aspect that someone mentioned, I do not believe that Tali is a mysterious character and the fact that her face is covered did not factor in (other than her romance's theme of looking past the physical, which I liked).

Edit: I don't believe that Liara abandoned Shepard.

I agree.  I happen to have played the second game first.  I was getting wtfpwnt with college and work that I was getting behind in games, and then steam had a sale.  So I was semi-broke from tuition and decided to buy the second game and go back to the first.

That being said.  I was going towards Miranda at first, somewhat sympathizing with her case as she slowly opened up, but then I recruited Tali and dropped Miranda like a dirty shirt.

She has much more depth of character.  Then when I went to play ME1, I was immediately annoying by how Liara was like "omg I'm so infatuated with you and, even tho I'm 106 years old, I can't figure out why TEE*HEE".  I found it forced and annoying.

[Collider]

I don't know Xil, I have not tried it. But my point is that it was possible to permanently lose Tali's loyalty if Shepard acted out of line.



So far as Zaeed's loyalty goes, I hadn't really thought about it because Zaeed is not a character I care much for.

[Null_]

Xilizhra wrote...

Collider wrote...

Tali's father is dead, and dead people cannot be punished. Revealing the evidence would cause more suffering for the quarians. Rael's mistakes are not worth that at all.

I actually did like that she lost her loyalty and that you could not persuade her. For one, being able to persuade her would remove some of the weight of the decision. Most importantly, not being able to persuade her showed that she was not going to bow down to almighty Shepard no matter what he did.

It also provided another conditional for her romance. Tali's romance is the most conditional in the series, and I liked that.

I'll say that a difference between Tali's and Zaeed's loyalty missions is that with Zaeed, without the persuasion option, taking the Paragon path would result in the loss of his loyalty no matter what. With Tali, it's possible to take a Renegade path without handing over the evidence.
What, by the way, does Shepard say if she lets Legion transmit the data during Tali's loyalty conflict, but then persuades Tali's loyalty back?

No idea to be honest.
About Renegade option of witholding the evidence during trial... it felt stupid. Like whole "If ur scary/charming enough you can talk your way out of everything".There shouldnt be Blue/Red options on this trial. Only Hand in evidence or Withold or Rally the Crowd(you actually had to work for this one.)

Also Zaeed/Tali comprasion feels abit weird. Tali witholding the evidence will SAVE lives(possibly whole Quarian race). While doing what Zaeed wants causes innocents to die painful death in flames(thanks to his actions on top of that)

Modifié par Null_, 20 février 2011 - 10:46 .

[Collider]

No idea to be honest.
About Renegade option of witholding the evidence during trial... it felt stupid. Like whole "If ur scary/charming enough you can talk your way out of everything".There shouldnt be Blue/Red options on this trial. Only Hand in evidence or Withold or Rally the Crowd(you actually had to work for this one.)

I didn't have much of a problem with being able to have Tali exonerated through speech, because of the nature of the loyalty mission. Shepard as the ship's captain was to represent her crew member, to start. What Shepard said automatically had weight. In addition, you learn that the trial was not about actually about Tali, but about the admirals trying to further their own political agendas.

That said, I'd still be fine with the only options being withhold or reveal the evidence.

Modifié par Collider, 20 février 2011 - 10:50 .

[Null_]

True. And the red renegade option speech is damn good. Probably the only Renegade option I would actually use if I was Shepard.

[Xilizhra]

Rallying the crowd should definitely be in there.



If Tali were to have a piece of DLC akin to LotSB, what would you want it to be?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rallying the crowd should definitely be in there.

If Tali were to have a piece of DLC akin to LotSB, what would you want it to be?

Solving the Quarian/Geth war.

[Null_]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Rallying the crowd should definitely be in there.

If Tali were to have a piece of DLC akin to LotSB, what would you want it to be?

Solving the Quarian/Geth war.

Uh... I really hope the solution of Quarian/True Geth conflict is one of the major things in ME3 and not a DLC...
Tali DLC hmm... Maybe trying to stop Admiral Daro'Xen from restarting Rael's experiments...But then it would only be avaible to people who didnt show evidence...(that would be 99% of people tho.).

Modifié par Null_, 20 février 2011 - 10:57 .

[Collider]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rallying the crowd should definitely be in there.

If Tali were to have a piece of DLC akin to LotSB, what would you want it to be?

I'd prefer Kaidan/Ashley to have a DLC, because they actually need it (and the VS is plot immortal, unlike Tali), in my opinion.

If Tali had a DLC, I would like something that would be relevant for *all* Shepards/players. In the same way that the LotSB DLC was important/relevant even if you did not romance/etc Liara. There should still be an important goal. This could be achieved through something having to do with the geth/quarian conflict, though I'd prefer that being in vanilla ME3 itself rather than DLC. An alternate to that would be something else involving AI, something Tali is knowledgable about.

[Xilizhra]

Well, yeah. I'm positive that Tali won't have a DLC; it's just hypothetical.

[Null_]

Next DLC is 90% chance to be about rejoining alliance(so VS will definitly play a big role).Its supposed to be the bridge DLC to ME3.

The Tali DLC is just speculation for fun. I really doubt someone belives she will get one in ME2

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Null_ wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Rallying the crowd should definitely be in there.

If Tali were to have a piece of DLC akin to LotSB, what would you want it to be?

Solving the Quarian/Geth war.

Uh... I really hope the solution of Quarian/True Geth conflict is one of the major things in ME3 and not a DLC...
Tali DLC hmm... Maybe trying to stop Admiral Daro'Xen from restarting Rael's experiments...But then it would only be avaible to people who didnt show evidence...(that would be 99% of people tho.).

Maybe both of those, then?

[Alienmorph]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rallying the crowd should definitely be in there.

If Tali were to have a piece of DLC akin to LotSB, what would you want it to be?

I don't think she'll get her own DlC, because she's killable (damn you, SM...) but it would be nice a DlC with "quarian business" are involved and having her alive makes you having the chance to have some extra dialogues and contents... something preparing ulteriosly the solving of the geth/quarian conflict in ME3, that's one of the biggest plotnodes not involving direclty the reapers and it deserves to handled in the main game and not in a 2 hours long add on.

[FsDxRAGE]

Null_ wrote...

Next DLC is 90% chance to be about rejoining alliance(so VS will definitly play a big role).Its supposed to be the bridge DLC to ME3.
The Tali DLC is just speculation for fun. I really doubt someone belives she will get one in ME2

I remember when the Romance Pack could have happened

[Null_]

Alienmorph wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Rallying the crowd should definitely be in there.

If Tali were to have a piece of DLC akin to LotSB, what would you want it to be?

I don't think she'll get her own DlC, because she's killable (damn you, SM...) but it would be nice a DlC with "quarian business" are involved and having her alive makes you having the chance to have some extra dialogues and contents... something preparing ulteriosly the solving of the geth/quarian conflict in ME3, that's one of the biggest plotnodes not involving direclty the reapers and it deserves to handled in the main game and not in a 2 hours long add on.

Biggest obstacle to Quarian/Geth peace (That really has to happen if we want to have a chance vs the Reapers...)
is Admiral Xen. even Admiral Garrel you be pursuaded probably. Xen is just insane.

[Null_]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Null_ wrote...

Next DLC is 90% chance to be about rejoining alliance(so VS will definitly play a big role).Its supposed to be the bridge DLC to ME3.
The Tali DLC is just speculation for fun. I really doubt someone belives she will get one in ME2

I remember when the Romance Pack could have happened

I cant find that motivational poster now.. but there was one.. "bioware announces record profits from 8000MS points DLC" and the pic was that fanart of Tali and Shepard getting married in presidium.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Null_ wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Rallying the crowd should definitely be in there.

If Tali were to have a piece of DLC akin to LotSB, what would you want it to be?

I don't think she'll get her own DlC, because she's killable (damn you, SM...) but it would be nice a DlC with "quarian business" are involved and having her alive makes you having the chance to have some extra dialogues and contents... something preparing ulteriosly the solving of the geth/quarian conflict in ME3, that's one of the biggest plotnodes not involving direclty the reapers and it deserves to handled in the main game and not in a 2 hours long add on.

Biggest obstacle to Quarian/Geth peace (That really has to happen if we want to have a chance vs the Reapers...)
is Admiral Xen. even Admiral Garrel you be pursuaded probably. Xen is just insane.

Admiral Xen is insane to some, but maybe she's not that crazy.

[Xilizhra]

It's been an interesting dialogue. One last question for now: would you like it if Tali had been bisexual? How do you feel the Femshep/Tali romance would have gone; would it have had a noticeably different feel to it? Would you have played it?

[Alienmorph]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Admiral Xen is insane to some, but maybe she's not that crazy.

How you'd call someone who wanna reaslave the machines that almost made extinct your species for trying to not being slave?

Xilizhra wrote...

It's been an interesting dialogue. One
last question for now: would you like it if Tali had been bisexual? How
do you feel the Femshep/Tali romance would have gone; would it have had a
noticeably different feel to it? Would you have played it?

Tali
was supposed to be bi-sex intially, still most of the Femshep's
dialogues about their romance are present if you unlock the romance with
the cheats. Even the "Tali is important for me" in LotSB. But most of the lines are the same of ManShep, from what I know.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 20 février 2011 - 11:11 .

[Null_]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's been an interesting dialogue. One last question for now: would you like it if Tali had been bisexual? How do you feel the Femshep/Tali romance would have gone; would it have had a noticeably different feel to it? Would you have played it?

I wouldnt like it to be honest. It probably wouldnt be noticeable diffrent. I wouldnt have played it to be honest, same as I wouldnt play Liara/femshep even tho it does make sense storywise.
Femshep/Tali would be like Maleshep/Garrus... They are supposed to be brothers/sisters

Modifié par Null_, 20 février 2011 - 11:15 .

[Collider]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's been an interesting dialogue. One last question for now: would you like it if Tali had been bisexual? How do you feel the Femshep/Tali romance would have gone; would it have had a noticeably different feel to it? Would you have played it?

I would not care if she was bisexual. Whether the lesbian romance would be different, I would think, would depend mostly on how quarians (and Tali) view those relationships in the first place. We don't seem to have much of an inkling on what the quarians think about it. Given that lack of information I would expect some pronoun changes and not much else. However, that is lore wise.

Metagaming wise, I would not be surprised if they had some sort of "we're both the same gender..." dialog because that was what happened for the Zevran, Leliana, Liara, Sky, etc romances.
It's typical of bisexual romance options, presumably partly because Bioware wants to give the player extra way out of homosexual content.

[Collider]

Tali

was supposed to be bi-sex intially, still most of the Femshep's

dialogues about their romance are present if you unlock the romance with

the cheats.

I don't think we know that, alien. You can find my reasoning for that here.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Alienmorph wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Admiral Xen is insane to some, but maybe she's not that crazy.

How you'd call someone who wanna reaslave the machines that almost made extinct your species for trying to not being slave?

*snip*

If planned correctly (as in a trojan horse style move), Xen's plan could have some major success. Also if your dog ran away from you, wouldn't you try to get it back?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's been an interesting dialogue. One last question for now: would you like it if Tali had been bisexual? How do you feel the Femshep/Tali romance would have gone; would it have had a noticeably different feel to it? Would you have played it?

I wouldn't mind it. Personally, I don't see a Tali/Femshep romance, but if there was, I just wouldn't romance Tali as Femshep.