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[LordPennlocke]

Tali is loyal to her people, but at the same time she knows that the Reaper threat is the most pressing issue in the galaxy. If Shepard committed any transgressions against the Migrant Fleet, she would resent him, but would remain a silent ally to combat the Reapers. If it was the other way around, I could not really say for sure; chances are she would side with Shepard. Risk the hostility of 17million lives in order to save billions (trillions), of the Council, Terminus, and unknown species of the Milky Way.

[Rune-Chan]

It depends what aspect of loyalty we are discussing.

Would Tali take Shepards side if he decided the Migrant Fleet were an enemy? Never.
Would she take his side in a disagreement with them? Yes, if she believed he was right.
Would she leave the Migrant Fleet to be with Shepard Post-Reaper war? I think it's possible if she is his "girlfriend", as he is the only person to always stand by her, and while she would always be loyal to the fleet at heart, they more or less betrayed her and I think that is possibly enough to make her feel less connected to her people, especially now that her father is dead.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 24 février 2011 - 11:58 .

[sihill90]

Machines Are Us wrote...

 and while she would always be loyal to the fleet at heart, they more or less betrayed her and I think that is possibly enough to make her feel less connected to her people, especially now that her father is dead.

I don't think we should equalize "Quarians" with "quarian politicians" If you pay attention to what random Quarians are saying about her during her loyalty mission then you clearly get the message that they are conflicted about her. "I can't believe they're charging Tali'Zorah with such a thing" is one of their lines, if my memory serves me. That doesn't mean that they, as a collective, betrayed her - their politicians did. Tali still remains a folk hero for "regular" Quarians.

Like you said, Tali would never forgive Shepard if he went against the Fleet. But if Commander "recruit" Quarians (assuming ME3 will be something like Dragon Age) I don't see any reason for her to leave the Normandy.

After all, think about ME1 She had the ultra important data on the Geth, but decided that helping Shepard is more important than delivering it to the Fleet. Same will happen in ME3 I think. Defeating the Reapers is probably the best way of serving her people, and she knows it.

Modifié par sihill90, 24 février 2011 - 01:55 .

[Nodscouter]

Well you know that the Geth data is pretty much, you know, data. She could have sent it over without ever leaving the Normandy.
Although except for that, I agree with you completely.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 24 février 2011 - 02:15 .

[Nodscouter]

Edit: Ah, damn it.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 24 février 2011 - 02:15 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Nodscouter wrote...
Well you know that the Geth data is pretty much, you know, data. She could have sent it over without ever leaving the Normandy.

Well, it's not just delivering the data.  It was for her Pilgrimage.  According to Ascension, actually returning with the stuff is a big deal, because the returning quarian has to shop around the gift to find a captain who will accept it.  Accepting a gift (and the quarian bringing it into the crew) has politics involved and such.  So physical delivery was kind of the point for her.

[Nodscouter]

Yes, I know about the tradition, but this is extremely important **** right here. Tali herself says that it might help them get back the homeworld one day, and I don't think she means it in a every-little.bit-matters way. As much as Quarians like tradition, I have a feeling that they wouldn't want her to wait before sending it back.

[NuclearBuddha]

It's possible. But there's also the matter that the Flotilla isn't always going to be on the relay network for transmission. The comm bouy system means that there's not instantaneous communication except within heavily settled areas.

[Collider]

I wonder if, somehow, the Migrant Fleet became an enemy of Shepard who would Tali side with?



Thoughts, opinions?

I believe she would side with the quarians. In that she would defend them against Shepard. She wouldn't sabotage Shepard's mission against the reapers, but you can bet that she'd oppose Shepard otherwise.

[Niulus Kriyk]

Saphra Deden wrote.... I wonder if, somehow, the Migrant Fleet became an enemy of Shepard who would Tali side with?

Thoughts, opinions?

I hope it will never come to that... But if it does I'll make sure Shepard will remain an allied of the Fleet.

[Nodscouter]

Damn straight! I could never betray them Quarians, especially seeing as they are Commies like me.

[Null_]

 The only way Shepard could fight Quarrians  is if you pick "Side with Geth" option

In ME2(Tali LM mission):                        in ME3:
Support war--------------------------->Side with Geth or Side with Quarians  
Support peace------------------------> Ally with both against the reapers
Havent done LM/Didnt import/Tali dead------->Side with Geth or Side with Quarians(Red/Blue option to get both. with decently high requirment)

I could see even LI/loyal Tali leaving Shepard in that case.Fortunely only idiots chose "support war" option in ME2. Reapers are coming after all... this one is really no brainer unless someone just goes full renegade "for lulz"

This is interesting idea tho. Having a squadmate leave you pernamently without killing them off.Could use Wrex and Genophage in similar way(or even Mordin if he stays).Would make think people more about the decisions that arent as obvious as "Save Ash or Save Kaiden/an"

Modifié par Null_, 25 février 2011 - 12:09 .

[Gust4v]

The new suit + the Mattock looks pretty nice (Tali never looks bad):

Modifié par Gust4v, 25 février 2011 - 02:47 .

[Rusty Pabst]

Another Tali image:







http://masseffectscr...vorites-part-7/

[Nodscouter]

Null_ wrote...
Fortunely only idiots chose "support war" option in ME2. Reapers are coming after all... this one is really no brainer unless someone just goes full renegade "for lulz"

Of course. Calling those who disagree with your point of view idiots. That's certainly a good debate strategy right? Screw all those arguments for either side, go for ad hominem attacks.

[Homebound]

Gust4v wrote...

The new suit + the Mattock looks pretty nice (Tali never looks bad):

NAAIIIIIICCEEEEE....

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Thanks for the brofist alienmorph! And I shall return that with a high-fi, seeming though brofists are a little manly for me

Love the Tali image Rusty, you've made it look very mystical with the photoshopping skills.

As for whether Tali would side with the quarians or Shepard if things came to a conflict between them!! Paragon/renegade interrupt PLEASE!

But I think she would try to mediate between the two sides, and try to settle the conflict diplomaticallly. She is loyal to them both, so it wouldn't be as simple as her picking sides.

[Rune-Chan]

Nodscouter wrote...

Null_ wrote...
Fortunely only idiots chose "support war" option in ME2. Reapers are coming after all... this one is really no brainer unless someone just goes full renegade "for lulz"

Of course. Calling those who disagree with your point of view idiots. That's certainly a good debate strategy right? Screw all those arguments for either side, go for ad hominem attacks.

I agree the name calling is uneccesary but the point does remain. It would be incredibly foolish to suggest they go to war when they have the largest fleet in the galaxy and it would prove invaluable against the Reapers.

[Nodscouter]

Largest fleet in the galaxy where most ships are civilian. Mmm...

Besides, that argument would be in my favour. They need somewhere for all their non-combatants etc... and if they settle in some other place than Rannoch they'll have to wait for an incredibly long time before they can be without suits again. Therefore, I support the war.



Or you know, it might be because I'm generally quite a militant person in the first place, but details!

[Null_]

Peace doesnt mean they dont get Rannoch back. Geth live on space stations not on the planet themselves, they also clean and repair the war damage on Rannoch out of respect to their creators.

War with geth is suicide for quarians. Sorry if someone was insulted but I consider dooming entire race,that got huge fleet that could help against reapers "becuse there is an option to" quite idiotic.
Also I am calling Shepard(s) who support war idiots.Not forum users and not Quarians(who have good reasons to belive war is the only option.)

Modifié par Null_, 25 février 2011 - 02:04 .

[MadMapper]

Tali+new suit+Mattock = awesomeness °_° the first two screenshots are amazing!

[sihill90]

Nodscouter wrote...

Besides, that argument would be in my favour. They need somewhere for all their non-combatants etc... and if they settle in some other place than Rannoch they'll have to wait for an incredibly long time before they can be without suits again. Therefore, I support the war.

I think you missed few lines in Tali conversation upon examining a console on her loyalty mission.

"Even if we got our homeworld back, we'd still need decades of bioengineering to be able to live without suits again", if my memory serves me. Quarians live in STERILE suit environment. I'll repeat the word : STERILE. Which means that their immunity systems are unable to combat ANY bacteria the way they should. They won't die instantly, but immunity is just like muscles - if you practice weightlifting, then stop exercising for 50 years, your muscles will either be reduced by your organism or will completely loose their strength.

Same with Quarians, just a lot worse. Bacteria from Rannoch is just as bad for them as bacteria from Palaven or Citadel or Tuchanka or whatever. So assuming that the moment they set foot on Rannoch they'll remove their masks and sing Koombaya is wrong. Like in the line I quoted - they need DECADES to live without suits on Rannoch.

Therefore - bleeding them out in a war against the Geth, a war with almost zero chance of winning, is pointless. Supporting war is your choice, but it seems it was made basing on wrong assumptions

Modifié par sihill90, 25 février 2011 - 03:14 .

[Null_]

Tali also says that adopting to new world would take 600 years while adopting back to Rannoch would only take 60.
But really if you think only way Quarians can live on Rannoch again is to go on war then you must have spaced Legion like Jacob suggested.

Modifié par Null_, 25 février 2011 - 03:41 .

[Nodscouter]

Uh no, I know basic biology and basic English, so you don't have to repeat absolutely basic facts about it. And I remember most lines from her loyalty mission.
''Getting our homeworld back would mean the difference between 60 and 600 years'', I never once said that getting Rannoch back would mean they would just strip all their suits. Your argument is based on wrong assumptions in my post. The bacteria from Rannoch is most likely not as bad as the ones from other races, seeing as first of all, most bacteria on Rannoch was partially beneficial which was what started the weakening of the Quarian immune system in the first place, and secondly, Tali states that it will go much faster to readapt and live without suits if they settled on Rannoch instead of some other colony.

But that is actually not my real argument for the war.
Edit: Ah damn you Null, you damn ninja. And no, I love Legion. He is my 5th favourite character (Right behind Mordin).

Modifié par Nodscouter, 25 février 2011 - 03:48 .