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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

In ME1, when you are a certain level, you get to pick an additional ability that isn't necessary an ability in the same class as you.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

In ME1, when you are a certain level, you get to pick an additional ability that isn't necessary an ability in the same class as you.

I never knew that, lol I gotta play ME1 again!

[N085]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

In ME1, when you are a certain level, you get to pick an additional ability that isn't necessary an ability in the same class as you.

I never knew that! Time to play ME1 again!

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yup, something you can't do in ME2. Even if you were an Engineer, you could magically get singularity or something.

Shepard accidently walked into a sea of Element Zero or something.

And here is a photo for the top of the page (or, if you prefer, pretend it is top of the page. I can't be bothered to edit my previous post! Hehe.)

[Nodscouter]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...

Agreed. Always wanted to see some Biotic Commies in the any game.

Hehehe. I'm not a commie.

Shame. I can't fully respect those who aren't Technocratic Marxist Communists like me.

Also, doing my complete playthrough right now of ME1. What level exactly is needed for that new ability?

Modifié par Nodscouter, 26 février 2011 - 09:00 .

[Link112]

It isn't based on level. It's based on second playthrough and any of the power usage achievements (If you've used Barrier 75 times, Shepard can use Barrier during the next playthrough, whether he/she is biotic or not.  Same for any weapons you've gotten 150 kills with or any other power you've mastered).  I'm not positive on numbers, but you get the idea.

The same goes for ME2, but you can only pick the powers of loyal squad members.

Modifié par Link112, 26 février 2011 - 09:09 .

[sihill90]

Nodscouter wrote...

Shame. I can't fully respect those who aren't Technocratic Marxist Communists like me.

Talk about arrogance >.>

This is Tali thread people. Keep it Tali. This means all political crap should be left out of here.

As for talents, Tasha is probably referring to unlockables that can be picked upon creating new char. For example, kill 150 enemies using assault rifles with SoldierShep, start new game with AdeptShep and you can choose assault rifle proficiency. This is, however, unobtainable for companions, including Tali (though we all agree that she's special and should have been treated specially by game makers ).

At any rate, Tali's talents in ME1 are tech and combat(pistols, shotguns, basic armor).

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Nodscouter wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...

Agreed. Always wanted to see some Biotic Commies in the any game.

Hehehe. I'm not a commie.

Shame. I can't fully respect those who aren't Technocratic Marxist Communists like me.

Also, doing my complete playthrough right now of ME1. What level exactly is needed for that new ability?

 That's it. I may have to send you a PM .
And give me some cred, you forgot to mention that I am an extreme leftie...
But I do have a Tali-related question... How infuriating would it be if she had an itchy nose...

[Collider]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Yup, something you can't do in ME2. Even if you were an Engineer, you could magically get singularity or something.
Shepard accidently walked into a sea of Element Zero or something.
And here is a photo for the top of the page (or, if you prefer, pretend it is top of the page. I can't be bothered to edit my previous post! Hehe.)

I agree with Tali here.
Nice screenshot, Tasha

[Weiser_Cain]

talk about overreacting...



I don't think we've seen a biotic Quarian, but I can't see why there wouldn't be any.I think it's just because Tali is a tech. She was the only Quarian in the first game and kinda the focus of the second one too.So if Kal had broke out some biotic abilities we may have been tempted to talk to him about something other than Tali.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

You agree with Tali? Did I miss something? Hehe.

Thanks, I like this one because you can clearly see that she has a very human-like nose.

[Nodscouter]

sihill90 wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...
Shame. I can't fully respect those who aren't Technocratic Marxist Communists like me.

Talk about arrogance >.>

Not arrogance, simply stating what I think. I respect other people of course, many of you in this thread is on that list as you've proven yourself to be intelligent. I simply can't offer full respect to people who lack the intelligence to agree with my political viewpoints. That sounded arrogant, I know, but I am merely being blunt instead of beating around the bush (Can't remember if that is the correct expression right now, but I simply don't care). I believe in what I believe in for a damn good and logical reason.

And now, to make sure I am not banned for ranting about stuff that is completely off-topic, having a nose itch as a Quarian would sure as hell build discipline.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 26 février 2011 - 09:47 .

[Link112]

Communism only works when greed, selfishness and lust for power are removed from the human condition. It's ok as an ideal, but power and corruption tend to muddy the waters more than a little.

That whole "people who don't agree with my way of thinking are dumb" is quite narrow-minded.  The same goes for the religious nuts who think they're way is the only and right way.

Discounting the ideas and opinions of others is short-sighted.

But, sir, you are entitled to your opinion.

"I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" and all that.

As much as I heartily enjoy Tali's company, I seem to be one of the only people on this thread who takes along the squadmates who best fit for the situation.  Tali is, in my opinion, of limited use in the Collector base mainly because there are no AI's to take control of, and no shield's to drain.  The Combat Drone is really the only thing usable by Tali in the base.

Garrus is a little more useful with his Concussive Shot and Armor Piercing Ammo, but his Overload is wasted.  Similar for Miranda, though Warp and Slam are both quite handy.

Mordin is good because all of his powers can be used.  

As much as I'm somewhat indifferent toward Miranda, unless my Shepard is a Sentinel or Engineer, she and Mordin are the ones I bring along most during missions, because between the two of them, they have armor, barrier and shield damage covered.

Modifié par Link112, 26 février 2011 - 10:18 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

If the quarians were in possession of itch powder, then the Migrant Fleet may just go crazy.

An itchy nose would be the worst thing ever for Tali. A bit like an itchy eye when you are wearing eyeshadow... But you forget that you have eyeshadow on. I hate it when that happens.

I went a bit too far then

Nod, a differing political standpoint from your own is not a sign of a lack of intelligence. If everyone was the same it would be a bit boring wouldn't it? Even though I agree with some of the thoughts of Marxism, there are a lot of intelligent people who aren't commies.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Link112 wrote...

Communism only works when greed, selfishness and lust for power are removed from the human condition. It's ok as an ideal, but power and corruption tend to muddy the waters more than a little.

Communism would work great if it was localised as opposed to nationalised (in most instances.) Unfortunately, past communists countries have been led by an autocrat, which isn't true communism now is it? However, me and my interest in politics is threatening to derail the thread...
What do you think would be Tali's political ideas? She appears to have a good awareness of quarian politics, I view the whole Admiralty Board and Conclave part of quarian politics to be part democratic and part tribalist; almost.

[Collider]

I think she recognizes that the quarian political system and way of life is the product of their situation. She resents that the Admiralty Board have the audacity to get into Tali's business simply for the purpose of furthering their own political agendas, though.



She doesn't seem to agree with any of the admirals. Which I do like, because none of them truly have the right idea.

[Nodscouter]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
Nod, a differing political standpoint from your own is not a sign of a lack of intelligence. If everyone was the same it would be a bit boring wouldn't it? Even though I agree with some of the thoughts of Marxism, there are a lot of intelligent people who aren't commies.

You misunderstand me. First off, I never said or implied that not being a commie means you are not intelligent, I was simply stating that if you're a commie, it might show that you have gotten there by logical thought and analysis, and both of those points towards intelligence.
Secondly, if the world was a bit boring, but nobody would go weeks without clean water and food? I think I could let go of some fun each day if we would finally, to quote Nickelback, have ''a day where nobody died''. What you're saying is that the world should be diverse, because that would make the world diverse. No logical argument ever enters that. I prefer a good world to a diverse world.

About Tali's viewpoints, I'm going for that she is mostly left-ish, with quite some fascism (In the military sense) thrown in, although she's smart enough to not act on her militant sense. One of the reasons I like her so much is the fact that I agree with her in most political cases so far.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 26 février 2011 - 10:19 .

[Link112]

I dunno, as much as Zaal'Koris vas Qwib Qwib comes off as a pain in the ass, I think he is the one that is furthest along the most correct path. Being a full apologist may not be the best way, but peace with the Geth is, I think, the most preferable option.

[Collider]

Link112 wrote...
I dunno, as much as Zaal'Koris vas Qwib Qwib comes off as a pain in the ass, I think he is the one that is furthest along the most correct path. Being a full apologist may not be the best way, but peace with the Geth is, I think, the most preferable option.

He's throwing Tali under the bus for his agenda. That is disagreeable. His methods are dangerous. One outcome of the trial is that the quarian fleet is split in two. It's conceivable that Zaal was the one who demanded Tali be put on trial in the first place, considering his views and adamancy during the trial that Tali is guilty. He may have the right intentions, but his actions are foolhardy and callous.

He is the closest to having the right idea, but I don't think he is quite there. As you said, he's a full apologist. He does not seem to hold the geth accountable for that actions, and that can be a dangerous outlook.

[Collider]

The game is not in-depth enough to say definitely what the all of the political views of the squad mates are. We can only speculate, and hopefully not inject our own personal biases into it. For the most part Tali has mostly displayed disapproval or neutral opinions of the quarian political system, as it seems to me.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

@ Collider, definately. The Admiralty Board used her as a pawn in their own individual conquests. Not so dissimilar from the council. When I heard about the AB in ME1, I thought it was quite an interesting way to organise a government. It's a shame that politicians never match up to their ideals eh?

Nod, this is where I got my assumption from.

Nodscouter wrote...

I simply can't offer full respect to people who lack the intelligence to agree with my political viewpoints

But at the same time, I am glad that I misunderstood you. I agree with you in that the commies I know are exceptionally intelligent people. But I wouldn't say it is necessarily a necessity for intelligence.

Unfortunately, I would also like a diverse world, like the ME universe really. I love to debate, discuss, challenge, and I get bored if people just agree with me all the time. As someone who grew up on the edge of poverty, I also see the unfairness of the system.

But, hey, F**K the system and all that! Hehe.

And Link, I too select squaddies based on their talents and usefulness for a mission if I'm playing on a higher difficulty.

But if it is a first playthrough for someone else, or they want to hear some lines from someone on an easier setting then I can understand why they would want to bring their favourite character along.

[Null_]

Please no politics. Our species history has proven that there is no ideal ideology or political viewpoints. All systems got their flaws(usualy human greed) Milions have died becuse of politics.

Lets focus on something more important...

Whats Tali's favourite color?

[Link112]

Tali's favorite color is Geth Gray! :-P

[Collider]

Generally speaking I select squad mates based upon how much I like them. That usually means that I have Garrus & Tali on the squad. Although, I have deviated from this a few times for the purposes of being insanity. I hear Kasumi's flashbang power stops Harbinger in his tracks.



I wish Energy Drain was a little more powerful. After all, Tali's a master engineer.

[Null_]

Insanity really is easy whatever squadies you pick. I usualy used Tali/Legion(Garrus before Legion is recruited).... Becuse Drone is insanely good... and 2 drones are AMAZING. 2 drones if poped at correct times can keep scion from doing ANYTHING. he will just stand there(and we all know how annoying double scion fights are on insanity). They also pop enemies out of cover. Legion is also insanely overpowered. 700 shield(thanks to upgrades) and best weapon(Widow). He stays far and never dies and scores headshots non stop. Tali with geth pulse shotgun blows shield/barriers(every collector got barrier on insanity,every blue suns got shield, every geth has shield) very fast. I really wished they would improve Garrus and Tali abit... Legion is just 2 times better damn unfair :/

About powers.. Energy drain is pretty much useless, drone is better in almost every situation and they share cooldown. Garrus got the incredible AP ammo which is arguably best ammo damage wise especially on Insanity (allot of stuff got armor/health). Legion Geth shield boost is just unfair with his baseline 700 shield from upgrades. Legion is better than Grunt at staying alive rofl.

Modifié par Null_, 26 février 2011 - 10:44 .