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[LordPennlocke]

Calinstel wrote...

mrsph wrote...

It's called tough love, people!

Also known as abuse to caring people.  Tali deserved better so she got Shepard.

She even mentions this herself after the paragon trial. What she says from those two options are probably my favorite dialogue in the game aside from the romance ones. "...It's fun watching you shout" (Her voice had that extra sultriness to it on that line), and "I got better Shepard, I got you." ....Awesome.

[Luvinn]

I think he cared for Tali. As Shadowomega said, he probably didn't want to show her any favortism, as he was probably worried how it would be viewed. The reason he sent Tali to collect data about a star in geth space might of been that she was actually the most qualified person to do so. Plus she was already a whiz in getting data on geth, like you see in me1 where she salvaged audio from the geth data core. And on the recording on his ship, he didn't want to keep putting Tali in danger by having her collect more geth samples.

[Shadowomega23]

Luvinn wrote...

I think he cared for Tali. As Shadowomega said, he probably didn't want to show her any favortism, as he was probably worried how it would be viewed. The reason he sent Tali to collect data about a star in geth space might of been that she was actually the most qualified person to do so. Plus she was already a whiz in getting data on geth, like you see in me1 where she salvaged audio from the geth data core. And on the recording on his ship, he didn't want to keep putting Tali in danger by having her collect more geth samples.

Not to mention she really is the only one he could trust with something so valueable with out sticking her noise into it like some of the other quarians. In ME1 she proved herself to be quick witted, resourceful, capable of defending herself, also very skilled with Geth tech, all of which would make her the perfect person to send out on said mission. Also if you do read the Message you get from him after Haestrom if you read it carefully he does sound very protective of her, and a little worried she might run off your character as he seems to have noticed a possible attraction between his daughter and Male Shepard.

[BTG_01]

Personally, I think Tali would have raised hell if she hadn't been sent to Haestrom. She was probably the most qualified person.

[LordPennlocke]

Luvinn wrote...

I think he cared for Tali. As Shadowomega said, he probably didn't want to show her any favortism, as he was probably worried how it would be viewed. The reason he sent Tali to collect data about a star in geth space might of been that she was actually the most qualified person to do so. Plus she was already a whiz in getting data on geth, like you see in me1 where she salvaged audio from the geth data core. And on the recording on his ship, he didn't want to keep putting Tali in danger by having her collect more geth samples.

He didn't want her politically implicated in any of his work, hence another reason why he kept his distance from her throughout her life. His wife died, he didn't want to risk losing their child because of his role as Admiral. Favoritism played a role to mask suspicion from outsiders, but I believe it was mainly the former. He tried to make up for this distancing himself through the promise he made of securing her a home on Rannoch.  One could say he MAY have been a good father, but tried to do the right things in simply wrong ways. His messages were a way to make amends.

Modifié par LordPennlocke, 15 septembre 2010 - 03:37 .

[Hatmonster]

mrsph wrote...

This. I see Tali as the person volunteering for these missions. Because she probably feels more qualified and doesn't want another quarian getting killed for something she could have done.

Didn't she say something to that effect on Freedom's Progress?

[Pacifien]

I had always figured that Tali would willingly volunteer for some of the more dangerous missions simply through Shepard's influence. Shepard did dangerous work, put himself on the line to get the job done. I can see Tali wanting to honor who Shepard was by following his example. Take the mission to Haestrom so that someone else wouldn't have to. She probably joined whatever version of the STG the Quarians might have, too. That's just the kind of person I imagine her to be.

I get the impression the Haestrom mission is part of a much larger research mission being conducted by the Quarian scientists and not a mission directed by the Admiralty Board. Probably the major involvement by the board was the fact the mission took them into geth territory. Many good samples to send back to Rael.

[Luvinn]

That makes sense kinda, maybe she was sent to just get data on the stars and Rael was like "Well, since your going there....."

[InHarmsWay]

Calinstel wrote...

Luvinn wrote...

I think he cared for Tali. As Shadowomega said, he probably didn't want to show her any favortism, as he was probably worried how it would be viewed. The reason he sent Tali to collect data about a star in geth space might of been that she was actually the most qualified person to do so. Plus she was already a whiz in getting data on geth, like you see in me1 where she salvaged audio from the geth data core. And on the recording on his ship, he didn't want to keep putting Tali in danger by having her collect more geth samples.

His goodbye message made just how much he cared for her very clear.  0 as a person, his daughter.  100 as something to be used as a tool.

Reading the latest chapter of Admo really struck the point home.

Shepard does use the line, "He knew you would come for you. He wanted to help you, it's not perfect, it's not what you wanted, but it was the ebst he could do."

Tali follows up by mentioning the video file of the Quarian mother using her last words to tell her son that she loves him, and that her father couldn't do the same.

[LordPennlocke]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

mrsph wrote...
Yeah, I think so. Tali is so selfless that it is practically one of her biggest character flaws.

I don't see any high amount of selflessness being a character flaw, though it may eventually conflict with the rest of her lifestyle. I find it very admirable, however.

As do I, regardless, her strong morals would offset the flaw. It just takes a bit of prodding from Shepard for her to have a "healthy" sense of selfishness.

[NuclearBuddha]

Too much selflessness is sometimes called "being a doormat." There's at lot there for her if she'd just let herself have it.



Naturally, the first part of her romance conversation is framed in "I want you to be happy, but I couldn't do that, so you should..." and "I don't want to endanger the mission, so..." The fact that she finally goes through with things is a first step towards understanding that she deserves to be happy, too.



This sorta explains her fury if she's dumped with the "for the sake of the mission" excuse.

[Pacifien]

Too much selflessness could actually turn Tali into Rael. He gave his entire identity to the fleet to the point where he didn't know how to be his own person anymore. I don't think Tali is in danger of doing that any time soon, but I think it was Rael who actually taught her to think about others before herself.

[LordPennlocke]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Too much selflessness is sometimes called "being a doormat." There's at lot there for her if she'd just let herself have it.

Naturally, the first part of her romance conversation is framed in "I want you to be happy, but I couldn't do that, so you should..." and "I don't want to endanger the mission, so..." The fact that she finally goes through with things is a first step towards understanding that she deserves to be happy, too.

This sorta explains her fury if she's dumped with the "for the sake of the mission" excuse.

Sometimes it takes another to make oneself realize what they want or want to do/carry it out, but deny themselves for reasons stated above, or simply being unable to. Shepard helped her realize this, another reason why she truly loves and cares for him.

[NuclearBuddha]

Pacifien wrote...
Too much selflessness could actually turn Tali into Rael. He gave his entire identity to the fleet to the point where he didn't know how to be his own person anymore. I don't think Tali is in danger of doing that any time soon, but I think it was Rael who actually taught her to think about others before herself.

That's a pretty good idea.  She had to have had this image of the "perfect quarian" modelled somewhere.

Edit:  Also:  D'aaaawwww @ Pennlocke.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 15 septembre 2010 - 04:44 .

[LordPennlocke]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Edit:  Also:  D'aaaawwww @ Pennlocke.

Nothing wrong with a bit of fluff from time to time. =P

Adding to what I said above, wanting to hear someone address YOUR issues is, in itself, being selfish. YOU want that special someone or anyone to know what's going on and that YOU'RE not alone on feeling whatever it is that needs to be dealt with. In a sense, Tali wanted to hear Shepard say this, along with having her feelings reciprocated. Sorry, needed to add a bit more fluff at the end there.

*I read through this again and I sound like a psychology professor/therapist XD

Modifié par LordPennlocke, 15 septembre 2010 - 04:55 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Now seems a good point to mention that Tali was ready to deal with her loyalty mission by herself.

[Pacifien]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
Now seems a good point to mention that Tali was ready to deal with her loyalty mission by herself.

She was going to book passage on another ship because she didn't want to interfere with the mission.
Selfless again.

Not that I think people want to consider Tali without Shepard to help with the Alarei, but I wonder if many quarians would have stepped up to help Tali retake the ship if she had gone to the trial alone. Kal'Reegar would have, I'm sure.