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Capt_Flashheart wrote...

It’s been ages since I last had the time to read these forums (I’ve just started university and my timetable is fubar). I’ll try and make up for my absence with this list of a few different variations of “Tali haters” that I’ve come across in this otherwise wonderful community. I’ve also attempted to psychologically profile the different Tali haters to better understand their… um… let’s say irrational behaviour. If anyone thinks I’ve missed anyone or disagrees with something I’ve said, let me know and I’ll consider editing the list to include your suggestions.

Hipster-haters
: People who go out of their way to express their dislike for Tali due to their perception her being “mainstream”. These haters usually describe Tali as being too sweet and sugary, and they like to demonstrate their individuality by choosing random profile pictures. By nature Hipster-haters are often Jackmancers, but non-Jackmancers may fall into this category as well.

Trolls
: Similar to Hipster-haters in that they also flame Tali for being popular, but with one important difference. Trolls post hate comments purely for the thrill they get from kicking the proverbial hornets’ nest. Their comments make extensive use of slander, offensive statements and lies to generate as many responses as possible. To a troll, one popular character is as good to flame as any other, so long as they get their desired fan rage responses. A typical troll will continue to post in a forum until it is either dealt with by a moderator or “starved” by a lack of responses.

Miranda-extremists
: People whose dislike for Tali directly stems from their choice of Miranda as their favourite LI. With Tali and Miranda being the 2 most popular LI’s, Miranda-extremists are the natural enemy of Talimancers, with disputes over which character is more popular a frequent sight. This rivalry is probably born out of a simple sense of tribalism, the need to affirm one’s gang is superior by comparing it to the next biggest gang on the block. As a result, comments from Miranda-extremists are usually something like, “Tali sucks, Miranda is better and here’s why…”.
Miranda-extremists almost universally believe they have numerical superiority over Talimancers. They also tend to think the polls section is skewered so they disregard any poll that shows Tali as more popular than Miranda (Seriously Bioware, why won’t you release the official LI statistics?). Due to these beliefs, Miranda-extremists don’t feel very threatened by Talimancers and hence, are not as protective and vocal as they could be.

Liara-extremists:
Easily identified by their profile pictures of either Liara or Samara, these are the most complex and enduring type of Tali Hater. Liara-extremists are - generally- confused by Tali’s popularity and unable to understand what people see in her. Their inability to comprehend why some players choose Tali over Liara often turns to frustration. More often than not Liara-extremists will directly attack Tali’s fans rather than Tali herself, e.g. “ Tali mancers are twelve year old boys/40 year old virgins.”.
However, when Liara-extremists do go after Tali they don’t hold back. Their posts mostly start with a statement about how they don’t understand what we all see in Tali, followed by a detailed list of reasons explaining why Tali is their least favourite character/LI. Liara-extremists also occasionally demonstrate that they have no sense of irony (joke) by mentioning that they believe Tali was written for “horny teenage boys and lesbians”, disregarding the fact that the Asari already fulfil that role.
Until recently I used to believe it was impossible to reason with any Liaramancer. However the sight of a Liaramancer politely talking with Talimancers on this thread the other day has caused me shift my stance towards them.

Garrusmancers who hate Tali: Non-existent.



This

Sums it all up.pity we whernt more aware of this before the Tali fans scattered and divided.

thanks Capt_Flashheart 

Oh and happy weekend everyone. Tali is great as allways. Hopefully she will get some line during the arrivel dlc thats around the corner.

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I don't think there's been any word of the Arrival DLC that's in the works. It could come out MONTHS from now (I sincerely hope this isn't the case).

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Great Summary Capt_Flashheart. I agree almost completly

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Capt_Flashheart laid it down! LOL

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Link112 wrote...

I don't think there's been any word of the Arrival DLC that's in the works. It could come out MONTHS from now (I sincerely hope this isn't the case).

I get the impression it will be sooner rather than later if the achievements or 'trophies' for it are already on the PS3 versions. But I do hope that Tali and whoever you take with you will get some lines in it.

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I hope so, too. But in the case of some games in the past, stuff had been accidentally leaked without anyone cottoning on, and just as quickly taken back down once discovered, though I doubt this is the case, as there has been much talk on these forums regarding Arrival. Bioware is probably just remaining playfully mute.

Jerks... :-P

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Quite true Flashheart, although there is also the case of Ashleymancers too, pretty much the same as Liaramancers except their dislike stems from the fact that Ashley only had a cameo role in ME2, Liaramancers used to fit into this but stopped once LOTSB was released.

Obviously not all of them are like this, I have romanced Liara in one play through as both a male and female Shepard, personally I think Tali is the best LI for a male, and Liara is the best LI for a female.

As for Arrival? I imagine we will start hearing about it very soon after DA2 is released, they will want that game out before they start getting people excited for Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 04 mars 2011 - 08:05 .


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Well, I don't like putting people in boxes, but in terms of those that troll, I can see what Flash heart is saying. I just think that Talimancers have the most devoted fanbase. Although I do think that officially, Miranda will have more people going for her simply because most of the casual gamers want to see some T&A.
But as a Garrusmancer, a Drellicker, and a Talimancer: Meh.

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RE: Arrival

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I'm not expecting any new dialogue from our favorite quarian, but it will be interesting to see her in some new situations.

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Who got their copy of DA2 early? I have to wait another week in Europe. So jealous of Americans.
It will be nice if companions got new dialogue, but they didn't in LotSB. And I don't think Arrival will be character centric. If it is, then it will be the VS.

At least we will get the opportunity for Tali in new screenies and animations (hopefully!)

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 Took those pics from a post of sergio71785 on the Official Migrant Fleet, while searching for pics of Khelish writings to translate.

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... "AGRI"??? :unsure:

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Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Who got their copy of DA2 early? I have to wait another week in Europe. So jealous of Americans.
It will be nice if companions got new dialogue, but they didn't in LotSB. And I don't think Arrival will be character centric. If it is, then it will be the VS.

At least we will get the opportunity for Tali in new screenies and animations (hopefully!)

I wouldn't be jealous of Capitalists though. Anyway, while my hopes are for your squaddies to have something to say during Arrival, I'm not getting my hopes up.

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MadMapper wrote...

 Took those pics from a post of sergio71785 on the Official Migrant Fleet, while searching for pics of Khelish writings to translate.

*snipppidysnipsnipsnip*


... "AGRI"??? :unsure:

Agriculture maybe?

@Arrival omgomgomgomgogmogmogogmogmogm*dies*

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MadMapper wrote...
... "AGRI"??? :unsure:

The Liveships' primary function is agriculture.  They grow all the food for the Flotilla.

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Nodscouter wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Who got their copy of DA2 early? I have to wait another week in Europe. So jealous of Americans.
It will be nice if companions got new dialogue, but they didn't in LotSB. And I don't think Arrival will be character centric. If it is, then it will be the VS.

At least we will get the opportunity for Tali in new screenies and animations (hopefully!)

I wouldn't be jealous of Capitalists though. Anyway, while my hopes are for your squaddies to have something to say during Arrival, I'm not getting my hopes up.

Hehehe! I stand corrected! Posted Image

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MadMapper wrote...

 Took those pics from a post of sergio71785 on the Official Migrant Fleet, while searching for pics of Khelish writings to translate.

*snip*

... "AGRI"??? :unsure:

Something like that.
"AGR-8" to be exact.

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That is assuming the quarian written language even remotely resembles english? Each letter there could actually be represented by 2 or more of our own letters. Rayya could just be the name we see in english but in quarian it could actually be (most likely be) made up of any number of characters.
I doubt they would just alter an english font to look alien, that would just plain lazy.
Besides, Tali requires something unique. :)

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Calinstel wrote...

I doubt they would just alter an english font to look alien, that would just plain lazy.

Actually, they did exactly that. Check the thread at Clan Z.

Large amount of Khelish text at Haestrom:
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The "Rosetta stone":
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This one is for Tasha and team dextro "Garrus I still have that shotgun you know....and Shepard just gave me a 'Revie' to play with. "

@Gust4v and Thundertactics....thanks for the Khelish.  I also like the way Calinstel dealt with the language in his Fanfics. HIGHLY recommend by the way.

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Capt_Flashheart wrote...

It’s been ages since I last had the time to read these forums (I’ve just started university and my timetable is fubar). I’ll try and make up for my absence with this list of a few different variations of “Tali haters” that I’ve come across in this otherwise wonderful community. I’ve also attempted to psychologically profile the different Tali haters to better understand their… um… let’s say irrational behaviour. If anyone thinks I’ve missed anyone or disagrees with something I’ve said, let me know and I’ll consider editing the list to include your suggestions.

Hipster-haters
: People who go out of their way to express their dislike for Tali due to their perception her being “mainstream”. These haters usually describe Tali as being too sweet and sugary, and they like to demonstrate their individuality by choosing random profile pictures. By nature Hipster-haters are often Jackmancers, but non-Jackmancers may fall into this category as well.

Trolls
: Similar to Hipster-haters in that they also flame Tali for being popular, but with one important difference. Trolls post hate comments purely for the thrill they get from kicking the proverbial hornets’ nest. Their comments make extensive use of slander, offensive statements and lies to generate as many responses as possible. To a troll, one popular character is as good to flame as any other, so long as they get their desired fan rage responses. A typical troll will continue to post in a forum until it is either dealt with by a moderator or “starved” by a lack of responses.

Miranda-extremists
: People whose dislike for Tali directly stems from their choice of Miranda as their favourite LI. With Tali and Miranda being the 2 most popular LI’s, Miranda-extremists are the natural enemy of Talimancers, with disputes over which character is more popular a frequent sight. This rivalry is probably born out of a simple sense of tribalism, the need to affirm one’s gang is superior by comparing it to the next biggest gang on the block. As a result, comments from Miranda-extremists are usually something like, “Tali sucks, Miranda is better and here’s why…”.
Miranda-extremists almost universally believe they have numerical superiority over Talimancers. They also tend to think the polls section is skewered so they disregard any poll that shows Tali as more popular than Miranda (Seriously Bioware, why won’t you release the official LI statistics?). Due to these beliefs, Miranda-extremists don’t feel very threatened by Talimancers and hence, are not as protective and vocal as they could be.

Liara-extremists:
Easily identified by their profile pictures of either Liara or Samara, these are the most complex and enduring type of Tali Hater. Liara-extremists are - generally- confused by Tali’s popularity and unable to understand what people see in her. Their inability to comprehend why some players choose Tali over Liara often turns to frustration. More often than not Liara-extremists will directly attack Tali’s fans rather than Tali herself, e.g. “ Tali mancers are twelve year old boys/40 year old virgins.”.
However, when Liara-extremists do go after Tali they don’t hold back. Their posts mostly start with a statement about how they don’t understand what we all see in Tali, followed by a detailed list of reasons explaining why Tali is their least favourite character/LI. Liara-extremists also occasionally demonstrate that they have no sense of irony (joke) by mentioning that they believe Tali was written for “horny teenage boys and lesbians”, disregarding the fact that the Asari already fulfil that role.
Until recently I used to believe it was impossible to reason with any Liaramancer. However the sight of a Liaramancer politely talking with Talimancers on this thread the other day has caused me shift my stance towards them.

Garrusmancers who hate Tali: Non-existent.


I remember when the entire communitu pooled into this tali threads and starte a huge trollfest

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Honestly, I can understand how people might get frustrated at (us?) Tali fans. They can be a little vocal and pervasive however. However that doesn't justify hostility or trolling. Live and let live, I say.

I'm pretty surprised. Back in the day I never would have imagined Tali would be this popular.

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ImmortalWarrior wrote...

Ah nuclear physics.  I studied physics at University for two years myself before I went on to be a computer programmer.  Always loved physics though, had a long strung out conversation with the guys at work the other day about the 4 generations of nuclear fusion that can lead us to waste free environmentally friendly fuels 'cause I'm a nerd like that.  You know, deutirium to deutirium and deut to tritium etc etc. Posted Image


I imagine that if I had been in that conversation I would've had the expression of a dog watching a commercial for catfood.Posted Image But nonetheless, you've gotten me very interested (waste free nuclear energy almost sounds too good to be true!). I hope get to learn about that topic someday.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

...in my experience, I have always found 'Jackmancers' (along with Garrusmancers) to be the most chilled out on BSN. They never interfere with others. And if someone trolls their thread, then they just shrug it off.


My original Tali hater list included much that didn't make the final cut. Jackmancers had a whole paragraph but it was mostly just detailed reasons for why they don't have many trolls or respond to them (e.g. "Jackmancers have quite a thick shell and are generally unresponsive to insults, much like Jack herself..."). It wasn't very relevant to the subject of Tali haters, so I cut it.
I also didn't include groups that restricted their Tali hating to their own threads (like Ashleymancers and again Jackmancers), because they weren't hurting anybody. Everything I wrote about Liara-extremists, Miranda-extremists, Hipster-haters and trolls was based on posts observed here and in comments section of polls. There was this one Liara-extremist who I saw flaming Tali on every single poll that mentioned her, I learned alot from him (his profile name starts with "e", incase anyone was wondering). I even had a section dedicated to haters who had the rooster head as a profile picture, but I figured that I was getting carried away by that point and decided to leave the list with just the 4 main groups and the Garrusmancer quip at the end.

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Thundertactics wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

I doubt they would just alter an english font to look alien, that would just plain lazy.

Actually, they did exactly that. Check the thread at Clan Z.

Large amount of Khelish text at Haestrom:
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Well, Lazy and stupid.
Also explains something that really irritates me.  Quarian keyboards look exactly like a standard PC keyboard.  Pure laziness on BW's part.

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Gust4v wrote...

After some investigation on CZ and Textmod we have Khelish.

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Even her name is cute.

Click here to see the details and download the font.

Genius thanks alot xD

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 I was googling something ME related and saw this picture . It looks like it's one of the Fight for the lost videos that came out before the game launched, but I've never seen it. If there is a video, could anyone point me to it?
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