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[jacobOriley]

Not my kind of music but nice find.

Top pic.




( kinda of wished she'd used the Revie on Koris instead of a finger )

Modifié par jacobOriley, 15 mars 2011 - 11:35 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Gust4v wrote...

I don't know if you people have heard this.
Yesterday I found some Tali music: Kabuto & BC - Tali

Kabuto is the same from Those minerals

Cool.

I haven't that before, and for finding that, YOU WIN +1,00,000,00 INTERNET!:happy:

[Link112]

Ooh, it looks like the quoted Nod entry was deleted. I see the one person quoting it, but not the actual post.

On topic, how could anyone say that about a holy figure/deity figure if that one is a Tali/Quarian fan? If you like Tali, you have to accept her, politics, religion and all (minus the blind fury of "racism" when it comes to the geth.  That can and should be overcome).

It'd be like someone coming along and saying "screw communism."

Not that I am, mind you. Communism, as I've said before, is a nice ideal, but human greed and self-interest get in the way of it working in anything less than a utopian type society (in my humble opinion).

Also, I'm a Catholic.  Strongly so, I would say (for the most part).  Those ideals are a big part of who I am.  And yet, when I see people in real life or on the boards attacking it, I shrug it off.  They feel differently, and have a right to feel so.  This may sound trite, Nod (and I'm not trying to be insulting), but maybe try not to take everything so personally?  

Modifié par Link112, 16 mars 2011 - 01:36 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

Fairhammer wrote...
Mind posting this golden piece into  this thread?: http://social.biowar...5/index/5485001

Done.

jacobOriley wrote...
(kinda of wished she'd used the Revie on Koris instead of a finger)

I wish she gave him THE finger.

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
But to be on topic, I think the Quarians have a communist government that works the right way.

If you're refering to how the Migrant Fleet relies on wealth from capitist economies to survive, then I totally agree with you. Were it not for the support given to the Migrant Fleet by the systems they passed though, and the gifts brought back by Quarians on pilgramige, the Migrant Fleet's economy (and government) probably would have collapsed a long time ago. BTW I love how you said the Quarians have a commie government that works the right way. Oh the irony.

@Nodscouter, I think you must like the Volus the most out of all the ME races, them being fat, cat-like capitalists and all.

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 16 mars 2011 - 02:24 .

[SailorVega]

I would like to interrupt the economics discussion for just a moment, if I may. I'm in the middle of a fan-fic, and I just can't get this scene with Tali to feel right so I thought I'd come ask the experts.

The scene in question has an ex-cop asking (trying to subtly interrogate)Tali about what the Normandy is up to, and I fully believe that Tali would put up with it for only a short time to be polite, but the inevitable "bug off!" response doesn't feel right. Thoughts?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

SailorVega wrote...

I would like to interrupt the economics discussion for just a moment, if I may. I'm in the middle of a fan-fic, and I just can't get this scene with Tali to feel right so I thought I'd come ask the experts.

The scene in question has an ex-cop asking (trying to subtly interrogate)Tali about what the Normandy is up to, and I fully believe that Tali would put up with it for only a short time to be polite, but the inevitable "bug off!" response doesn't feel right. Thoughts?

What's the name? Do you have it posted somewhere?

But for advice, I think Tali would just walk away.

[SailorVega]

I'm writing the whole thing together before posting it, if I ever do. Personally, like most other people, I am very critical of my own writing and hate putting the stuff up. To clarify, you think she would stand up and walk away without responding in any way?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

SailorVega wrote...

I'm writing the whole thing together before posting it, if I ever do. Personally, like most other people, I am very critical of my own writing and hate putting the stuff up. To clarify, you think she would stand up and walk away without responding in any way?

I think she'll say something when she walks away, depending on what the ex-cop is saying.

[Nodscouter]

Link112 wrote...

Ooh, it looks like the quoted Nod entry was deleted. I see the one person quoting it, but not the actual post.

On topic, how could anyone say that about a holy figure/deity figure if that one is a Tali/Quarian fan? If you like Tali, you have to accept her, politics, religion and all (minus the blind fury of "racism" when it comes to the geth.  That can and should be overcome).

Also, I'm a Catholic.  Strongly so, I would say (for the most part).  Those ideals are a big part of who I am.  And yet, when I see people in real life or on the boards attacking it, I shrug it off.  They feel differently, and have a right to feel so.  This may sound trite, Nod (and I'm not trying to be insulting), but maybe try not to take everything so personally?  

Tasha apologized through a PM and decided to remove the comment, against my suggestions.
Has Tali ever said that she actually believes in Keelah? Has she ever confessed being the pious Quarian? As far as I can tell, Tali's a smart enough woman to not believe in superstitions.
Yes, you're a Catholic. You don't have to live your entire goddamn life knowing that as soon you admit being a Catholic you'll get mocked and insulted for it. And I take things personally, when they basically control every decision I make. These ideals may be a big of part of who you are, but my ideals are what makes me who I am. I understand why people have different views, and have nothing but respect for them, and I accept people saying Communism is bad, IF they have a good reason for it. People who go around saying that Communism is tyrannical and unjust without ever backing it up. That what makes me react.
Note: The bolded parts are about Tali. See? I'm being on-topic. No need to ban me.

[Quole]

Nodscouter wrote...

Link112 wrote...

Ooh, it looks like the quoted Nod entry was deleted. I see the one person quoting it, but not the actual post.

On topic, how could anyone say that about a holy figure/deity figure if that one is a Tali/Quarian fan? If you like Tali, you have to accept her, politics, religion and all (minus the blind fury of "racism" when it comes to the geth.  That can and should be overcome).

Also, I'm a Catholic.  Strongly so, I would say (for the most part).  Those ideals are a big part of who I am.  And yet, when I see people in real life or on the boards attacking it, I shrug it off.  They feel differently, and have a right to feel so.  This may sound trite, Nod (and I'm not trying to be insulting), but maybe try not to take everything so personally?  

Tasha apologized through a PM and decided to remove the comment, against my suggestions.
[b[b]][/b]Has Tali ever said that she actually believes in Keelah? Has she ever confessed being the pious Quarian? As far as I can tell, Tali's a smart enough woman to not believe in superstitions.
[/b]Yes, you're a Catholic. You don't have to live your entire goddamn life knowing that as soon you admit being a Catholic you'll get mocked and insulted for it. And I take things personally, when they basically control every decision I make. These ideals may be a big of part of who you are, but my ideals are what makes me who I am. I understand why people have different views, and have nothing but respect for them, and I accept people saying Communism is bad, IF they have a good reason for it. People who go around saying that Communism is tyrannical and unjust without ever backing it up. That what makes me react.
Note: The bolded parts are about Tali. See? I'm being on-topic. No need to ban me.

Thats actually a good question: How much DO we know about Quarian religion and  what are Tali`s views towards it ?

Modifié par Quole, 16 mars 2011 - 05:58 .

[Nodscouter]

From the wiki:

Religion
The quarians used to practice a form of ancestor worship. This involved taking a personality imprint from the individual and developing it into an interface similar to a VI. The quarians began experimenting with making these imprints more and more sophisticated, hopefully leading to the wisdom of their ancestors being preserved in an imprint that could be truly intelligent. However, the geth destroyed the quarians' ancestor databanks when they rebelled. Some quarians saw their subsequent exile as punishment for their hubris, but most accept that the geth rebellion was a mistake, not a punishment.

However, respect for their ancestors is still prevalent in quarian society. Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay opens an Admiralty Board proceeding offering thanks to their ancestors, who saved them from the geth by founding the Migrant Fleet.

Tali sometimes exclaims "Keelah!" when shocked; in Mass Effect 2 many quarians offer the phrase "Keelah se'lai" as an apparent benediction or religious oath. This word may refer to a figure in quarian religion, or it may be part of their reverence toward their ancestors. It is often said in the same vein as "peace be with you" and resembles the Islamic الله أكبر (transliteration: Allāhu Akbar, English: 'God is Greatest'), the Christian Deus Vult (Latin for 'God Wills It'), or the Hebraic "ברוך אתה אדוני" (transliteration: Baruch Atta Adonai, English: 'Blessed are you, God').

Modifié par Nodscouter, 16 mars 2011 - 06:05 .

[Quole]

Nodscouter wrote...

From the wiki:

Religion
The quarians used to practice a form of ancestor worship. This involved taking a personality imprint from the individual and developing it into an interface similar to a VI. The quarians began experimenting with making these imprints more and more sophisticated, hopefully leading to the wisdom of their ancestors being preserved in an imprint that could be truly intelligent. However, the geth destroyed the quarians' ancestor databanks when they rebelled. Some quarians saw their subsequent exile as punishment for their hubris, but most accept that the geth rebellion was a mistake, not a punishment.

However, respect for their ancestors is still prevalent in quarian society. Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay opens an Admiralty Board proceeding offering thanks to their ancestors, who saved them from the geth by founding the Migrant Fleet.

Tali sometimes exclaims "Keelah!" when shocked; in Mass Effect 2 many quarians offer the phrase "Keelah se'lai" as an apparent benediction or religious oath. This word may refer to a figure in quarian religion, or it may be part of their reverence toward their ancestors. It is often said in the same vein as "peace be with you" and resembles the Islamic الله أكبر (transliteration: Allāhu Akbar, English: 'God is Greatest'), the Christian Deus Vult (Latin for 'God Wills It'), or the Hebraic "ברוך אתה אדוני" (transliteration: Baruch Atta Adonai, English: 'Blessed are you, God').

Ah, true. However we dont know the meaning of the work Keelah, nor Tali`s opinion on it, assuming it is a religous figure.

Modifié par Quole, 16 mars 2011 - 06:34 .

[Null_]

Its impossible to tell what her views are. Keelah is just like our "oh my god"(omg for short). Atheist use it, everyone uses it. We do not know if Keelah is their god or some revered ancestor.
Also about beign "too smart for religion" thats kind of stupid really. Leave this out of this thread please. First politics now this....(Mordin is smart and he belives in "wheel of life" or w/e it is)

Modifié par Null_, 16 mars 2011 - 10:23 .

[jamesp81]

SailorVega wrote...

I'm writing the whole thing together before posting it, if I ever do. Personally, like most other people, I am very critical of my own writing and hate putting the stuff up. To clarify, you think she would stand up and walk away without responding in any way?

Hmm.  I dunno, actually.  Tali can be very spunky when offended enough.  Depending how the ex-cop is behaving, I think a quiet walk-away would be somewhat too tame for her.  Especially if she found the ex-cop's questions were an offense to Shepard or his crew.

Hard to tell without more subtle context.  I think a sharp "mind your own business" comment might be in character.

[Palando]

SailorVega wrote...

I'm writing the whole thing together before posting it, if I ever do. Personally, like most other people, I am very critical of my own writing and hate putting the stuff up. To clarify, you think she would stand up and walk away without responding in any way?

Personally I think she would have a few strong words to the point and then walk out. She wouldn't just call the person names (althought the phrase Bosh'tet may creep in), and it would be sincere. Something along the lines of "You are wasting your time. I know where my loyalties lie and no Bosh'tet in a uniform is going to get me to betray Shepard!"

Modifié par Palando, 16 mars 2011 - 04:04 .

[MadMapper]

Gust4v wrote...

I don't know if you people have heard this.
Yesterday I found some Tali music: Kabuto & BC - Tali

Kabuto is the same from Those minerals

Cool.

LOL? Can't believe someone actually did ME fanmusic. And a Tali one!

Cool indeed.

[ElectricZ]

SailorVega wrote...

I'm writing the whole thing together before posting it, if I ever do. Personally, like most other people, I am very critical of my own writing and hate putting the stuff up. To clarify, you think she would stand up and walk away without responding in any way?

I think she'd blow the guy off up until the point he insulted something near and dear to her, in other words either Shepard or the Normandy. Insult her, she walks off. Insult most of the crew, she walks off. Insult Garrus, she'll add to it, then walk off. Go after her Commander or her ship, though, it's she might get angry enough to be defensive. If your ex-cop keeps it up, expect another "I have a shotgun" moment.

But if the dude is being subtle, I think she'd likely let it go, maybe with a brief disgusted look before getting back to whatever she was doing.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

ElectricZ wrote...

SailorVega wrote...

I'm writing the whole thing together before posting it, if I ever do. Personally, like most other people, I am very critical of my own writing and hate putting the stuff up. To clarify, you think she would stand up and walk away without responding in any way?

I think she'd blow the guy off up until the point he insulted something near and dear to her, in other words either Shepard or the Normandy. Insult her, she walks off. Insult most of the crew, she walks off. Insult Garrus, she'll add to it, then walk off. Go after her Commander or her ship, though, it's she might get angry enough to be defensive. If your ex-cop keeps it up, expect another "I have a shotgun" moment.

But if the dude is being subtle, I think she'd likely let it go, maybe with a brief disgusted look before getting back to whatever she was doing.

That seems about right.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I can see quarians revering their ancestors, and perjaps upholding their traditions.
But I can't see them being religious. I just view them as too technical and too much into technology to be into religion or a god(s)

[jacobOriley]

SailorVega wrote...

I would like to interrupt the economics discussion for just a moment, if I may. I'm in the middle of a fan-fic, and I just can't get this scene with Tali to feel right so I thought I'd come ask the experts.

The scene in question has an ex-cop asking (trying to subtly interrogate)Tali about what the Normandy is up to, and I fully believe that Tali would put up with it for only a short time to be polite, but the inevitable "bug off!" response doesn't feel right. Thoughts?

You probably have already worked this out, but if you're anything like me, I'll edit my own writing for weeks. A thought I had was sort of a smart-ass reply from Tali along the lines of ..." Maybe you should just talk to Shepard. As a Spectre he doesn't mind nosy questions at all. " 

As for the politics and religion....not going to go there. There's enough war's over that crap already.

[Link112]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I can see quarians revering their ancestors, and perjaps upholding their traditions.
But I can't see them being religious. I just view them as too technical and too much into technology to be into religion or a god(s)

What do advancements in technology have to do with religion?  The two aren't mutually exclusive.  Ashley was religious (I never got the vibe that she was huge into it, but she is religious).

Granted, Humans and Quarians are different, but I don't think the two necessarily have to be at odds with one another.

Also, any writer worth his or her salt will write a bit, take a break from it, come back a few days later, read what's been written, and then quite possibly rewrite the entire scene from scratch, adding and taking away where necessary.

Sorry, I went to school for writing and know most of the do's and don'ts for potential writers.

Modifié par Link112, 17 mars 2011 - 12:18 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I can see quarians revering their ancestors, and perjaps upholding their traditions.
But I can't see them being religious. I just view them as too technical and too much into technology to be into religion or a god(s)

I agree with that logic.
However the Geth were just as, if not more technical and technology focused than the Quarians, and a percentage of them still worshipped the Reapers. My farther says that religion is merely a form of brainwashing designed to suppress natural human behaviors (such as aggression). I don't fully agree with that statment, but I do think its possible for a being, human or quarian, to be both intelligent and religious.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I can see quarians revering their ancestors, and perjaps upholding their traditions.
But I can't see them being religious. I just view them as too technical and too much into technology to be into religion or a god(s)

I agree with that logic.
However the Geth were just as, if not more technical and technology focused than the Quarians, and a percentage of them still worshipped the Reapers. My farther says that religion is merely a form of brainwashing designed to suppress natural human behaviors (such as aggression). I don't fully agree with that statment, but I do think its possible for a being, human or quarian, to be both intelligent and religious.

Where the hell did you find that?

[Capt_Flashheart]

Do you want to now where I got the picture, Ramirez?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

Do you want to now where I got the picture, Ramirez?

Yes.