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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Haha! Possibly, I have just seen it in people's sigs. I haven't even done a playthrough with Liara.

And am I a little bastard because I am so incredibly stingy!
Or are is my Tali Shepard a bastard for never ever wanting to get married, not even to Tali?

Edit: Yet another top of the page for Tasha!!

Just cuz Garrus lurves supportive waists

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 26 mars 2011 - 08:21 .

[Evil_Sarevok]

Nodscouter wrote...

Secondly,
don't rage at other fans on this thread. Go make your own thread if you
wish to flame them for liking a character you don't.

Sadly, I've been on this thread a while, havent posted since the early days when the thread was more fun, but just because you are new here and have posted for the last few pages, dont dictate yourself to me, thanks.

I wont go into why Jack is a poor excuse for a character on a Tali thread, since I noticed how over the top the thread moderation has had to become, however I tend to like the 'evil' characters, like Viconia in Baldurs Gate but Jack is just, troublesome on ME.

Therefore the easiest choice on this series has been Tali due to the more neutral, yet somewhat chaotic nature of her attitude, as she will essentially not care when dealing with alot of tense situations, if you use a more Renegade option, unless you tend to enjoy running over critters with the Mako in the original game, which shows a lack of wanton destruction, as opposed to the pure good and pure evil, which is a norm for character design.

The other thing I enjoy about Tali is her race is more interesting than most of the others, as they are not as integrated, so tend to be far more interesting to learn about, as most other races are defined by everything around them, as are 'normal' people who dont come from less integrated society.

Of course the other plus is that shes a techy, and in my line of work I see very few female technical staff, and the ones I do see in training, dont give me alot of hope. The other and final aspect that makes her the best character in my oppinion is loyalty, similar to Garrus, she is as loyal as you'd expect from a faithful companion, while other characters are either motivated by money, redemption or only to the task at hand.

On the topic of marriage though, I think thats best left to an epilogue depending on decisions in the game, then again most things like that are just epilogue footnotes, pointless adding such things into core gameplay.

Modifié par Evil_Sarevok, 26 mars 2011 - 08:22 .

[Nodscouter]

If you think I am trying to look like a regular or something like that to assert my authority, you are an idiot and should take a look in the mirror.
I could say many horrible things about how Tali is a bad character. You could say that about every character.
Tali is a fangirl, Garrus just does his calibrations, Jacob has the personality of a turnip, Jack is batsh*t insane, Miranda's a wh*re etc...
But I don't. You know why? Because I actually respect those who like Jack, despite hating her myself. Would you appreciate it if you came to the Jack thread and everyone yelled at you for liking Tali?
I don't care why you like Tali, I do too, but it's not still not okay to rage at people for liking different fictional characters than you.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
And am I a little bastard because I am so incredibly stingy!
Or are is my Tali Shepard a bastard for never ever wanting to get married, not even to Tali?
 

Oh not at all, I support you in that matter.
You are a bastard, for posting when I was about to post! And for stealing all the top pics!
*Old man Nodscouter waves his fist at Tasha while yelling ''Damn kids!''*

Modifié par Nodscouter, 26 mars 2011 - 08:27 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Haha! I always have the top of the pages! I've had the last few in the Garrus thread too, but they don't come better than team dextro!

And sorry for ninja-ing you
To Sarevok (awesome name by the way, one of my favourite villains except for Saren and Jon Irenicus.)

I too find the quarian race to be the most interesting because of the way they are repressed by many other races, despite being one of the most powerful (if they had a homeworld anyway.)
The fact that they were able to create a race of (sentien?) machines shows that their technical expertise surpasses even the council races, yet they are still considered a race full of 'vagrants' and 'thieves.'

I also lean more towards chaotic characters. But I wouldn't describe Tali as 'chaotic neutral' as you seem to lean towards. Sure, she can be badass, but I would view her more as true neutral. Except without the holier than thou attitude of Jaheira.

Also, kudos for sharing my favourite character in the entire of the Baldurs Gate series: Viconia.

[Nodscouter]

The whole chaotic/(l)awful system is a lot like renegade/paragon, no?

Modifié par Nodscouter, 26 mars 2011 - 08:30 .

[Evil_Sarevok]

Well, more saying that shes more inclined to ignore your chaotic nature, if given a proper alignment I'd swing her more towards True Neutral, as she does not mind whether you do bad or good things, however she is not neutral to the point of disliking you doing good or bad things (which was a horrible system in Baldurs Gate if you wanted the neutral characters as you were damned if you did and damned if you didnt), but I would prefer if the game had more neutral options.

For example, there are Renegade things you would do anyway, like when you do Mordins loyalty, you'd shut that Krogan up by shooting that power box mid speech just because you dont care to listen to the rant, but you'd also give Tali her hug when her father is dead on the floor.

I suppose thats why I always wore the Death Mask (if my memory serves) since it allowed me to pick and choose renegade options when I wanted, and Paragon also when I wanted, having a full paragon from ME1 allowed me to further neutralise my character while still going full towards one side or the other.

Though I can see why they do it, and judging by reactions from Tali on both methods, you can pretty much put her towards neutrality, though as has been discussed umpteen times, its a wonder how she would react to a problem that would directly conflict with the migrant fleet. I'm still also glad they made her more world weary in ME2, to show a bit of character progression, rather than the spunky fresh from the fleet Quarian, as it wouldnt work.

I'm still hoping they further flesh out the characters in ME3, since I didnt see much character progression bar the obvious 'two years later' which you see naturally.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Actually, I thought that Tali (and Garrus) had progressed quite a lot since ME1. They definately matured, became more independant, and took a level in badassery. Why don't you think that Tali developed much from ME1?

Also, I do agree with you about the alignments. But I suppose it is difficult to do neutral options because they are generally less extreme. But that is off topic Tali would pick the neutral options. Hehe.

[Evil_Sarevok]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Actually, I thought that Tali (and Garrus) had progressed quite a lot since ME1. They definately matured, became more independant, and took a level in badassery. Why don't you think that Tali developed much from ME1?

What I meant was, that while they yes did develop her character from the spunky quarian from ME1 to the more world weary quarian in ME2, in the actual games length, she did not really develop, well, really none of the original characters developed, then again to me the journey was not as long as in ME1.

Although, I'd probably say Garrus is the only one you can directly influence due to his loyalty having two separate endings being Paragon or Renegade, where as Tali is more of a she either likes you, or hates you.  Since her loyalty doesnt really consider a choice, unlike Garrus's loyalty by looking into what happened to make Garrus's former team-mate turn traitor.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Even though you can influence Garrus, it doesn't (really) affect ME1 or 2 apart from he goes to C-sec (if paragoned) and applies to be a Spectre (if renegaded.) But he still vigilantes off on Omega despite what you do.

And I understand what you mean now, you are right Tali doesn't progress much in the actual timespan of either game. But then I don't think any of the characters do. But hey, Tali can be influenced in how she perceives Shepard at least. And she is one of the few characters that always admires Shepard, no matter what actions she/he takes.

Apart from running over pyjaks in the Mako, that is...

[Link112]

Ooooh, annoying, annoying pyjaks. I do so love punching out that one on Tuchanka.

Also, "Sentient," Tasha (you asked about it a few posts up).

And I wasn't trying to say you needed to be married to be in a long-term committed relationship.

It's just, to me, there's still that sense of being able to get one foot out the door without too many long term repercussions (assuming no kids are involved. That's a whole nother sticky situation).

But that's just me, and as I've said before, what in the hell do I know?

Hooray, self-deprication!

Miranda's dossier sort of makes me feel for her a bit with the whole inability to have kids, so I'm not as harsh on hers as I am on others.

Minsc is still the best Bioware character ever :-P

To keep things marginally on-topic:

"Aim for the optics, Chitika!"

I know it would take a lot more programming and mo-cap, but I wish Bioware would give different characters different motions for nervousness.  Both Tali and Miranda wring their hands when distressed or worried.

Modifié par Link112, 26 mars 2011 - 09:20 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Did you know that Minsc is the only BG character to have his own Wikipedia page? Discovered that last night

Thanks for clarifying 'sentient,' and I never noticed that Miranda and Tali both had the same nervousness signs before. But I can see Tali as being more of the nervous type around Shepard than Miranda.
Kids? *Cringe*

[EssenceEngine]

On character development:

First of all, some people change quickly and frequently, others slowly and rarely.
Secondly, if BioWare had changed Tali a lot between the games then it would have provoked the same kind of anger as that caused by Liara's development.

[Deanooo]

i lurveeeeee tali, anyway enough of the cheesyness.

That is all

[Evil_Sarevok]

Link112 wrote...

"Aim for the optics, Chitika!"

As much as I liked the link to the older series, why oh why did they have to call it Chitika, just reminds me of that annoying wingless winged elf, then again, if it wasnt for her I wouldnt have heard Kagain threaten to eat her baby if it didnt shut up.
Oh and belt of opposite alignment + minsc, with a full evil party, calls for amusement of the entire party each saying how 'happy' they are being on the party with all the evil banter, for a sudden 'We are all heroes, you and Boo and I, hamsters and rangers everywhere, rejoice!' coming from the back of the group.

At this rate I'll be running through Icewind Dale 2 on hardcore again.

Yeah I know, off topic, but it all links in.

I'm honestly suprised you dont walk into the citadel one day to have someone throw a M-27 Scimitar at your head.  In fact if they DID that I'd fall off my chair and become incapacitated.

[Runescapeguy9]

Small poke, Chiktikka vas Paus. Not Chitika.

[Link112]

Thanks, Rune. I can never remember the first part of the name, just the vas Paus part.

[Ravensword]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Thanks Rammy! Review me please! Or send me a PM on what you think about it.

Well, Tali never does mantion marriage, the only LI that does is Liara (and I think it is Shepard then.) But that may be influenced by Mac Walters writing...

And yeah, I can imagine talking of such things will scare Shepard off! And Tali is recognised as being one of the ones who stopped Saren with Shepard. So for a quarian, I imagine she will be held in high esteem, she will definately be a famous figure.

But to me, a long term relationship or commitment can be done without splashing out loads of money on some unneeded contract. And even more so for a famous marriage such as Shepard's and Tali's. I can't see it happening. There may be other Shepards who are different, but none of my Shepards would even consider it.

Domestic partnerships FTW!

Modifié par Ravensword, 27 mars 2011 - 01:00 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Evil_Sarevok wrote...

Link112 wrote...

"Aim for the optics, Chitika!"

As much as I liked the link to the older series, why oh why did they have to call it Chitika, just reminds me of that annoying wingless winged elf, then again, if it wasnt for her I wouldnt have heard Kagain threaten to eat her baby if it didnt shut up.
Oh and belt of opposite alignment + minsc, with a full evil party, calls for amusement of the entire party each saying how 'happy' they are being on the party with all the evil banter, for a sudden 'We are all heroes, you and Boo and I, hamsters and rangers everywhere, rejoice!' coming from the back of the group.

At this rate I'll be running through Icewind Dale 2 on hardcore again.

Yeah I know, off topic, but it all links in.

I'm honestly suprised you dont walk into the citadel one day to have someone throw a M-27 Scimitar at your head.  In fact if they DID that I'd fall off my chair and become incapacitated.

I do apologise, but as a Baldurs Gate geek, it was Korgan who threatened to eat her babies. Kagain was the dwarf in the first game. Aerie and Korgan are in the first game  And I too, found her insanely annoying, I couldn't believe it when I saw a wiki page saying that Aerie and Tali had a lot of similarities!

They are both a repressed race, that's about where the similarities end.

[Alienmorph]

Aerie, Tali and Merril are all based on the archetype of the cute and gentle but mistreated girl, but that's all. Surely BioWare loves to reuse certain characterizations in their games, but thei're also good in making variations to them. The exception is the Merril's main romance scene, that looks like an extended version of Tali's with a different character. But besides that they're quite different.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 27 mars 2011 - 02:09 .

[antique_nova]

I recently played Tali's loyalty mission again and i am noticed that Tali is the only Quarian with 'style', you would have thought the other other Quarians might have a garment like Talis and wrapped around them in the same way, but in different colours and patterns, bu.t all the other Quarians seem bland.

I am not sure why the developers did this, it isn't very hard to give the Quarians more variations of suit colours or copy Tali's model for some of the other Quarians and slightly change it.

I also noticed, but haven't brought it up until now, that Tali has three supportive bands below her chest, where as all the other females have two and there bands are slightly bigger.

Finally, a slightly off topic question: Why do the male and female Quarians have such different helmet designs on the front and back?

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I haven't seen Merril's romance scene yet. But I have heard that apparently she is ery similar to Tali. She definately has the cute, awkward babbling thing going for her. But hey, it was popular with Tali, so why not reuse it!

Also, I had Merrill as my rival, I didn't approve of her consorting with demons willingly to restore some of the lost culture to the Dalish elves.
Speaking of which, it raises a hypothetical question about Tali...

If Tali was granted the option to restore a portion of the quarians lost culture and regain Rannoch (or find another homeworld for the quarians,) in exchange for consorting with the reapers, for example, do you think she would do it?

[Alienmorph]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I haven't seen Merril's romance scene yet. But I have heard that apparently she is ery similar to Tali. She definately has the cute, awkward babbling thing going for her. But hey, it was popular with Tali, so why not reuse it!

Esentially is the same of Tali but without the pounce and with more, but still Talish, dialogues. Her and Hawke also have a cuddles moment on their bed in the same positions of Tali and Shep post-romance cuddles.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
If Tali was granted the option to restore a portion of the quarians lost culture and regain Rannoch (or find another homeworld for the quarians,) in exchange for consorting with the reapers, for example, do you think she would do it?

After all she saw the reapers and the collectors did and could do? She cares for her people, but she's not fool. Also, the reapers are not interested in quarians because of their weak immune system, and HOW Tali could "constorts" with a giant biomechanic Chtulu?

[Nodscouter]

Am I the only one who thinks Merrill and Tali is really, really different from eachother? I mean, I love them both but they're completely different.

[Alienmorph]

They are different, I was talking only about their romance scenes.

[D0ubL3 RaiNboW]

I know this is a rather insane question to ask, and I'm pretty it was on this Tali thread.

Can anyone link me to the page where someone quoted one of the developers saying that they know what quarians look like under their helmets? I've been going through almost all the pages on this forum. And I know it's gotta be somewhere between pg150 - pg300 on the Tali thread. Because I joined this forum around pg200 something and remember going back through some pages to get caught up on a few things. Only reason I ask this is because my friend doesn't believe me at all that one of the developers said that. And again, sorry about asking this. xD

And Tali for life! =D