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[Golden Owl]

Clonedzero wrote...




but the whole tragic romance thing makes sense right? because i got really bummed out as i progressed through my tali romance as i started to realize how doomed and difficult a romance of that nature would be. that completely turned me off the whole tali romance though sadly, even though i love her personality. knowing that realistically it would never work out put a huge damper on things for me.

Though Tali does state at one point that Quarians intially get sick but do build up a resistance (immunity) with their partner (I can't remember exactly how she puts it, but its something like that)....I can see how that would work with a Quarian, but admittedly am still unsure if that would include a human, due to his contact with the everyday outside world, he would have to decontaminate every time before he goes near her I guess.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 31 mars 2011 - 04:01 .

[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

Also, going into that part of the mission where you have to chose to give the evidence or not, my first time, I knew giving the evidence would make Tali depressed/unfocused on the mission, and I knew it would likely encourage the quarians to go to war.

I agree that it is smart to know that revealing it would make Tali unfocused and even resentful, but the part where you say you knew it would make the quarians go to war is BS. You could make the same case for covering it up.

How? The whole point of the data was so the quarians could go to war. Revealing it would only encourage them. Thats atleast how I ratonalized it. Then again thats what I thought... maybe other people thought something completely different.

Modifié par Quole, 31 mars 2011 - 04:07 .

[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

How? The whole point of the data was so the quarians could go to war. Revealing it would only encourage them.

How so? The project blew up in Rael's face, the project was considered unethical by most quarians, and many quarians would be able to use it to petition against war.

I dont ever recall any Quarians at any point ever saying it was unethical, except MAYBE Koris. Besides, there are tons of data regarding affects of weapons tests and various other things used on the geth, all of which were suppose to help the quarians fight them. So I again,  figured giving the evidence would make them want to use it and therefore want to go to war.

Modifié par Quole, 31 mars 2011 - 04:22 .

[Quole]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

I dont ever recall any Quarians at any point ever saying it was unethical, except MAYBE Koris.

And Tali.

Uhh no. In fact she completely supported it.

Modifié par Quole, 31 mars 2011 - 04:27 .

[damage incorp96]

Quole wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

Also, going into that part of the mission where you have to chose to give the evidence or not, my first time, I knew giving the evidence would make Tali depressed/unfocused on the mission, and I knew it would likely encourage the quarians to go to war.

I agree that it is smart to know that revealing it would make Tali unfocused and even resentful, but the part where you say you knew it would make the quarians go to war is BS. You could make the same case for covering it up.

How? The whole point of the data was so the quarians could go to war. Revealing it would only encourage them. Thats atleast how I ratonalized it. Then again thats what I thought... maybe other people thought something completely different.

I can't sit back and read this argument anymore. Here's the deal. I did a playthrough that did everything wrong. My Shep's name was fubar in this walkthrough I gave the evidence at the trial and then pushed for war. Later when I talked to Tali she was very upset with me. She stated that the fleet had broken up with half heading to Rannoch to try and open peace talks with the Geth, while the other half continued Rael's work to develop a weapon to kill the Geth and re-take their homeworld. She sounded like she was crying behind the mask and it was killing her that I basically single handedly destroyed her people. Being the Tali fan that  I am I hated doing this in the game and almost deleted it, but as a Mass Effect universe fan I wanted to see what would happen in this arc, and also interested to see what those choices will bear in me3 (continued fubar from me1 where I killed the Rachni queen). So there it is and it isn't BS to say they will go to war because half of them will. I like to play the game fully and check all the results, maybe I'm crazy for doing this but I like to explore all possibilities. I have done 15 playthroughs and in 14 of them Tali is my LI. 

[Quole]

damage incorp96 wrote...


I can't sit back and read this argument anymore. Here's the deal. I did a playthrough that did everything wrong. My Shep's name was fubar in this walkthrough I gave the evidence at the trial and then pushed for war. Later when I talked to Tali she was very upset with me. She stated that the fleet had broken up with half heading to Rannoch to try and open peace talks with the Geth, while the other half continued Rael's work to develop a weapon to kill the Geth and re-take their homeworld. She sounded like she was crying behind the mask and it was killing her that I basically single handedly destroyed her people. Being the Tali fan that  I am I hated doing this in the game and almost deleted it, but as a Mass Effect universe fan I wanted to see what would happen in this arc, and also interested to see what those choices will bear in me3 (continued fubar from me1 where I killed the Rachni queen). So there it is and it isn't BS to say they will go to war because half of them will. I like to play the game fully and check all the results, maybe I'm crazy for doing this but I like to explore all possibilities. I have done 15 playthroughs and in 14 of them Tali is my LI. 

I dont know how you had the stomach to do that, personally.

Modifié par Quole, 31 mars 2011 - 04:40 .

[MadCat221]

Quole wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

I dont ever recall any Quarians at any point ever saying it was unethical, except MAYBE Koris.

And Tali.

Uhh no. In fact she completely supported it.

She didn't support it.  For all she knew before boarding the Alarei, daddy was just bringing the hardware online, like shields, to test weapons against their defenses.

Tali also outright calls Xen insane for her plans to conquer the geth and revert them to a subservient state.

At worst, she's neutral towards it.

And, as Damage Incorp96's "take one for the team" playthru shows, yes, it does tear the fleet unity asunder.

Blowing the lid on Rael's misdeeds breaks Agent Gibbs' Rule #1.

Modifié par MadCat221, 31 mars 2011 - 04:58 .

[Quole]

MadCat221 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Quole wrote...

I dont ever recall any Quarians at any point ever saying it was unethical, except MAYBE Koris.

And Tali.

Uhh no. In fact she completely supported it.

She didn't support it.  For all she knew before boarding the Alarei, daddy was just bringing the hardware online, like shields, to test weapons against their defenses.

Tali also outright calls Xen insane for her plans to conquer the geth and revert them to a subservient state.

At worst, she's neutral towards it.

Skip to 2:45
She is certainly not against it.

[damage incorp96]

You have no idea how hard it was. I sat back for as long as I could because I didn't want to post it, but finally had enough with the will they or won't they go to war. As I said Shep's name is fubar in the playthrough and he is a complete (insert expletive here). I have thought about deleting the playthrough on several occasions, but I want to see what will happen in 3 if the Rachni are gone, the Quarians are gone, and everyone died except me and Tali. I had planned on killing her in fubar's run through, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. Fubar's playthrough is the only on where I don't get Tali as a LI, but he does get with Jack and Miranda both and then sends them on missions where he knows they will die. (Like how I seperate me from fubar?)

[Nodscouter]

I'm asleep for 8 hours and you guys give me 3 more pages to read? What the hell?
I would also like to note that I was quite surprised when I came to BSN and discovered that Tali and Garrus were some of the best liked ones. Always thought Garrus renegade-isness and Tali's extreme loyalty to the fleet would have stopped people from liking them.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 31 mars 2011 - 05:27 .

[Influ]

Quole wrote...


Skip to 2:45
She is certainly not against it.

She's talking about testing on geth parts, materials or non-sapient assembled geth. It is blatantly obvious in the later dialogue that she doesn't approve bringing the geth online for the weapons tests.

[Quole]

Influ wrote...

Quole wrote...


Skip to 2:45
She is certainly not against it.

She's talking about testing on geth parts, materials or non-sapient assembled geth. It is blatantly obvious in the later dialogue that she doesn't approve bringing the geth online for the weapons tests.

Actually she says that they should be willing to do anything to get an advantage over the geth. She supports killing them all and retaking Rannoch in the dialogue. The only reason she says she disapproves of bringing them online is because that breaks Quarian law and its dangerous.

Modifié par Quole, 31 mars 2011 - 05:51 .

[damage incorp96]

Saphra Deden wrote...

damage incorp96 wrote...

You have no idea how hard it was. I sat back for as long as I could because I didn't want to post it, but finally had enough with the will they or won't they go to war.

You missed the point entirely, my friend.

I don't get your point because you never really state what you're point is.  
So I'll try again. From what I can glean over the last 3 pages is that you feel the Quarian people need to be told the facts of what happened aboard the Alarei so they can make an informed decision on what to do. IMO no, the Quarian people should not be told, by Shepard and IMO by anyone. The Admiralty knows the truth of what happened, as seen when Admiral Xen sends Shepard a message that they know what's up and he should have come clean. Shepard is not Quarian, his 'job' is to gain Tali's loyalty to complete a mission, nothing more. It is the admirals job (the government) to decide whether to disseminate the facts to their people. The government doesn't need the people's input, or blessing to go to war or not. Again I am assuming. Please don't think I'm attacking you, it is not my intention.
I went back and read the last 3 pages and this conversation grew out of 'Tali needs to kill her some Quarians to give her perpective' and 'Tali does what she's told because she's a good little Quarian'.  So I may have missed the mark again. If so... what is your point?

[Influ]

Quole wrote...

Actually she says that they should be willing to do anything to get an advantage over the geth. She supports killing them all and retaking Rannoch in the dialogue. The only reason she says she disapproves of bringing them online is because that breaks Quarian law and its dangerous.

Well she does argue that it's not like they're testing weapons on prisoners. But that's exactly what it is if you're experimenting on active geth. Also, she says any research on the geth is important. It doesn't necessarily mean that she supports experiments on live geth.

[Alienmorph]

Null_ wrote...

BSN is far from mainstream. Its only visited by about 10-20% of people that played ME2.
What mainstream is clearly shown by the rommance statistics posted some time ago. Miranda having 40% of ALL :/ Thats the mainstream(How to become popular in mainstream: 1. Have boobs 2. wear ****ty clothes 3. PROFIT)

Again... don't bash  Mirimancers... many of them are not of that faction only because of the t&a pack. And even counting the casual players who didn't care particularry of ME Tali is still the second most romanced character and with a much hudge percentage between her and the other LIs. 

Also, about Tali's cinic outcomes... I don't see nothing wrong with her when she say that the admirals can go to hell on Haestrom or that she doesn't care of how they'll handle the Fleet if she's exiled. One thing is caring of your people, another is following at all costs dumb leaders. And surely 1/2 of the Conclave is made of jerks...

Modifié par Alienmorph, 31 mars 2011 - 09:15 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

MadCat221 wrote...



Good / no good?

It's good, major props for the colour scheme but I can't shake the feeling that the hug picture could be better. Backgroud patterns could give the banner some extra flare as well.

Null_ wrote...

BSN is far from mainstream. Its only visited by about 10-20% of people that played ME2.
What mainstream is clearly shown by the rommance statistics posted some time ago. Miranda having 40% of ALL :/ Thats the mainstream(How to become popular in mainstream: 1. Have boobs 2. wear ****ty clothes 3. PROFIT)

Where did you see this? Are these percentages official statistics from Bioware? You can make up statistics to prove anything, 14% of all people know that. I need to view your sources before I can believe in the numbers.

[Nodscouter]

Pretty sure a Bioware dev posted those stats some time ago. Tali had about 24% of the romances I believe.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 31 mars 2011 - 03:33 .

[MadMapper]

Nodscouter wrote...

I'm asleep for 8 hours and you guys give me 3 more pages to read? What the hell?
I would also like to note that I was quite surprised when I came to BSN and discovered that Tali and Garrus were some of the best liked ones. Always thought Garrus renegade-isness and Tali's extreme loyalty to the fleet would have stopped people from liking them.

This.

[Alienmorph]

Nodscouter wrote...

Pretty sure a Bioware dev posted those stats some time ago. Tali had about 24% of the romances I believe.

Yep, the same I remembered. 60% or so for Miranda, 24% for Tali and something like 6-8% Jack. The missing percentage were splitted from the others. So, still second but a lot more appreciated than anyone else except Miranda. Still, it was an hudge sondage but BW never did their own one. The official stats about romances are still hidden, but I guess that one was a quite plausible result.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 31 mars 2011 - 03:43 .