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[Nodscouter]

Of what I remember:
40%: Miranda
24%: Tali
15%: Nobody.
2%: Jack
1%: Jacob
Don't remember the others however.
Edit: All righty, Tasha lost another top. Makes me happy.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 31 mars 2011 - 03:56 .

[magnuskn]

Hm, I wouldn't have thought Miranda would that popular, given her general demeanor.

And Garrus wasn't even listed? Ouch.

Modifié par magnuskn, 31 mars 2011 - 04:07 .

[Nodscouter]

Let's do some counting shall we?
40+24+15+2+1 = 82. That still leaves 18% for Garrus and Thane to split between them.

[magnuskn]

Nodscouter wrote...

Let's do some counting shall we?
40+24+15+2+1 = 82. That still leaves 18% for Garrus and Thane to split between them.

Given that we got some discrepancy between your stated percentages and those of others, I'd be happy to see a link or quote.

[Runescapeguy9]

To my knowledge, actual percentages were never released and people are making things up as they go along.

That said, small advertisement. Vote for BioWare

[Link112]

Who ever said Tali needs to be a "good little Quarian" got their races mixed up.

Garrus flat out states in ME2 that he's a good soldier but a horrible Turian. "A good Turian, when he hears an order, will follow that order through, whether they like it or not."

I was paraphrasing, but here's the proof:

Modifié par Link112, 31 mars 2011 - 07:16 .

[Gust4v]

That poll was from another site. And you could vote infinite times.

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I've updated the Tali loading screens with Arrival. The new DLC overrides one of the Overlord's and Hammerhead's loading screens.

Link to the project.

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Also, another poll.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Already voted for that one runescape guy. That says something about my love for Bioware, hehe.
And Garrus and Thane didn't get that much percentage between them. Garrus had 4% and Thane had 1%. That is why I am certain it was a made up percentage, because there is no way that Garrus got four more times than Thane.

However, even though I'm not the biggest fan of Miranda, I can see why she would have the bigger percentage than Tali. Let's remember that those on BSN represent a very small ratio of those who have played ME2. And many of them won't have played ME1. So I assume that many of the 'casual' gamers will go after the obvious T&A. Whereas Tali is very popular with those who have played ME1 and go on BSN.

[Nodscouter]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Already voted for that one runescape guy. That says something about my love for Bioware, hehe.
And Garrus and Thane didn't get that much percentage between them. Garrus had 4% and Thane had 1%. That is why I am certain it was a made up percentage, because there is no way that Garrus got four more times than Thane.

Really? The whole ''I'm dying'' and the ''I'm overly religious'' things might have put off some and I'm sure alot of people who loved Garrus in ME1 liked the idea to romance him in ME2.
Also, the Miranda romance somehow reminds me a bit of how I played with the romances in DA:O, mainly, I cared so little for them that I accidentally romanced people. And seeing as you get Miranda's personal mission quite early, you can then do that, talk to her a few times and she starts flirting, and some people might go like
''Well, I need a romance, so hey, why not?''.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

That's exactly why I think most of your casual gamers (the vast majority of which will be guys) will go after Miranda. It is very obvious early on. Even though I believe that Tali has the better personality, story, culture, race and everything, casual gamers won't be as interested in that.

Na, I know Garrus is a very popular. But not as an LI (especially to the casual gamers who would be like WTF!) Only to those who have played ME1 first. And yeah, a lot of people bash Thane about his drama. But I think it adds to his character, it is also realistic in the context that he is an assassin. Things aren't going to be all rainbows and unicorns for him.

[Evil_Sarevok]

You'd never get accurate information from a poll anyway, or any accurate information, simply because regardless if one side is lower than the other someone will whine for a recount and that'd probably happen again with most original voters sighing it off.

Well, that and the 'newer' members of the community will go for newer characters, whereas the older players will in turn go for the older characters that they faught and died with in the original game, where the characters had more personality in what felt like a longer game, ME2 more forces you to get in the good books with your team, and will inevitably lead to a scene with a character, as you try to keep in their good graces.

Of course there are those people that play games with a mallet and derp their way through a game and screw it up, not on purpose, but because they are listed in the casual section of the playerbase. Such players are more along the lines of 'who?' when it comes to Ashley and Kaidan (think it kills the opposite gender off for ME2 defaults?).

Regarding characters themselves:

Miranda... looks a bit too much like her VA, not in all aspects perhaps but her face, more than likely, this puts me off her due to, well... I dont like the actor, or blondes. Plus again, playing the previous game, I normally use Cerb members for target practise, or for repainting my Mako treads.

I played a female and (bro-sorta)manced Garrus because I heard of his awkward reaction, and wanted to see him out of character, in an umfamilar position just to see what he would be like, as hes a character I take an interest in.

Never touched Ashley or Kaidan, firstly, Kaidan was a multiclass, didnt like him, NWN/BG habbit and wasnt fond of the initial racism from Ashley, I know she sorta gets over it (bar at the end when she doesnt want to kill humans over non humans to save the council).

In ME1 I mainly went Liara/Tali, and actually choose Liara as my LI in ME1, just to see what all the complaining was about, since I bought ME1 when it was on sale two years ago, then had that 'my god they ACTUALLY whined about this, pathetic'.

Of course then after that I choose Tali in ME2, due to her actually being my fav character in ME1 anyway, interesting conversation in ME2 with Liara, still wish I'd chosen that I wanted to build her a house but my character was sticking to paragon (to my distain).

Stuck with Tali for the most part really though, and on my run through ME1 again a month or so ago going with Tali/Garrus felt 'right', plus I got to do the whole 'Hey Saren, shoot yourself' again, which is half as amusing as my 'Hey Nizidramanii'yt, slay living - Nizidramanii'yt dies' (I still talk about that regularly).

Thane, who I havent touched on (or Jacob, hes too as a character for me generic, sorry), wierd voice, freaky memory thing, uuh, I'd stay away from that even if it was female, first impressions can be a bugger sometimes, though hes still a nice chap overall, just a bit quiet.

Though yes conclusion!

ME1 players are more likely to take the ME1 characters, as a mance, the newer ME2 only players, the more newer characters, afterall they do not get the choice of the other two, AND dont have more of a knowledge of their characters, so its only natural.

Myself however, I am very fond of my two signed Tali Lithographs, and will probably never mance another character in this series, so I'll stay an avid Talimancer, apart from my femshep, she'll carry on her Garrusmance. Wouldnt mind putting a proper Garrus Litho next to my extra Tali though :\\

Footnote - I dont like every character, not bashing any either, so any roaming white knights, I'm not targetting you, dont start a crusade.  Also if you read this far bravo, you're a true forum adventurer.

Modifié par Evil_Sarevok, 31 mars 2011 - 09:30 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

Anyone ever heard the saying "good things could to those who wait"? It's utterly incorrect, 90% of lifes oppurtunities are granted by just showing up first. That's why in my country there's a so called "man shortage", because all the good women hold out on settling in hopes of finding the perfect guy, blissfully unaware that all the good men are being snatched by less picky and less attractive women.
Apply this senario to ME2 and Miranda becomes the girl who would only get Shepard by being in the right place at the right time, while Tali is kicking herself for not making a move when she had the chance. I was actually well on my way to romancing Miranda in my first playthrough until I found out I could have Tali. Luckly break ups in Mass Effect are a lot easier than in real life.

@Alienmorph, it literally took me 5 minutes to understand that by "hudge sondage" you meant "huge survey" in French (or "hudgen Sunday" if your Swedish ). Please stick to English, most of us have enough trouble with that.

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 31 mars 2011 - 09:30 .

[Alienmorph]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

@Alienmorph, it literally took me 5 minutes to understand that by "hudge sondage" you meant "huge survey" in French (or "hudgen Sunday" if your Swedish ). Please stick to English, most of us have enough trouble with that.

Word mismatch, sometimes it happens, but it wasn't intentional

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Alien is Italian btw

And I didn't get why Fox made such a big deal about Liara anyway. Especially seeming though the concept of having sex with a quarian or turian would be much more 'WTF' realistically. Not for me though!

Read it all Sarevok Although I disagree about Thane, as a Drellicker, I think that in terms of culture, they are the most 'alien' race out there. From what we can gather, they are so different from humans.

However, I can't see any Jack. Although Tali is by far my favourite female LI (easily) I also really like Jack.

[Evil_Sarevok]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

Apply this senario to ME2 and Miranda becomes the girl who would only get Shepard by being in the right place at the right time

Hm not sure I agree with that, always chosen a female character as a LI within games for 'whats your character like', or 'do you look evil or mysterious' then again depends on who you are I guess, some people go right for looks, others question what the character is, or the person is. Heck, I've even choosen character purely down to the fact they can have a damn good argument with you, and still probably want to kill you, but actually dont kill you (generally Viconia - slightly Morrigan).
But yeah, you also have to question the age of the player and make sure they aernt being lead by a divining rod in their briefs.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Although I disagree about Thane, as a Drellicker, I think that in terms of culture, they are the most 'alien' race out
there. From what we can gather, they are so different from humans.

However, I can't see any Jack.

I'll admit easily that my view on Thane isnt 100%, I spoke to him a bit, the memory thing as I  said was a little odd to me, like I said though hes a nice guy, I'd have to have played a full game to ascertain a proper level of respect for his character, and he does seem more of a full paragon sort of run.  I'll have to look into Drell culture a bit more as well, since hes a very exotic species, as they were not even mentioned in ME1 I dont think at all (then again not all species are).

Jack on the otherhand, I have mentioned her once before, shes a bit too uhh, butch, for me, plus ironically, the dire lack of clothing and over-use of tatooing is a real negative, her attitude is a bit to be desired too, I did speak to her alot to try and get a bit of information out on why she is as she is but, you know Jack.

Call me strange for a male but I prefer my females with a bit more class, less crass, and I also think a woman can look far more attractive with her mind and with a bit more clothing, though of course, there are opposites to that where they end up wearing a helmet that in essence trolls you so only your PC gets to see the inside!  I can live with that though.

Problem is though I cant really give a great example that ISNT from a Bioware game as a good female lead as an alternate example, and I tend not to make them either, I'll just have to stick with Viconia as an example, shes an evil icequeen but shes not crass, and shes managable.
Ah gone were the days when you could have a cunning and linguistic parley with enemies and companions alike.

Modifié par Evil_Sarevok, 31 mars 2011 - 10:22 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I loved Viconia. Not only did I always pick her first for tactical reasons, but reminds me of Morinth a bit. Treated as evil and with hatred because of something she was born with. However, I find Viconia and Tali to be very different characters, so it is interesting that you like them both so much. (In fact, Viconia and Imeon were probably the only females I got particularly attached to it BG.)

[MagicGis]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I loved Viconia. Not only did I always pick her first for tactical reasons, but reminds me of Morinth a bit. Treated as evil and with hatred because of something she was born with. However, I find Viconia and Tali to be very different characters, so it is interesting that you like them both so much. (In fact, Viconia and Imeon were probably the only females I got particularly attached to it BG.)

I agree Viconcia was great... I always had her with me...no matter what. Though that lead to the death of some other group members that couldnt accept her.  i was fine with it  it really wasn´t her fault, she was ok. 

Ok back to topic... this romance discussion 

I think Miranda is popular because she throws herself from the very start, after every mission. She is just so easy to get, and it is the first romance to start so many people stick with it. Also I saw many people taking her into the team all the time because of her groupbonus, which maybe builds up a better relation with the char.  For me, when i figured out she spyed on the doc... she was a traitor for me and I never cared for her again in my playthrough I will import to ME3 ^^

Tali on the other hand, comes quite late in the game, also I can see how this suit stuff turns people down. I myself imagined this swimming in medicine stuff she and her marine friend talked about and it is creepy ... a little bit...but a little bit is ok

Modifié par MagicGis, 31 mars 2011 - 10:33 .

[Evil_Sarevok]

I have to admit, I always used to run away from Imoen at the start of BG1 and run around so I skipped her to speak to Gorion haha, she used to annoy me a bit in the past, I suppose she didnt really come anywhere into a party structure for me either, which made things worse.

Viconia and Tali though, while truly they are totally separate characters, they do have similarities, both communities, Quarian and Drow train their people away from others, and liklihood is, ship to ship this is different, similar to houses, and liklihood is that a Quarian belonging to a ship will likely hold its views, as ships are based either on technology, war, or support, for practical reasons of course but I expect it would make them view the world in a certian way.

They also both have extreme views on certian things, while Drow have a deep hatred for the elves who drove them underground, Quarians are brought up hating the Geth in a similar way, they cannot be taught otherwise, while you can talk Tali down from shooting Legion, if you try and speak to her about the Geth she has only one view on the matter, that they are evil.

Technically again they are also lead by a house/ship leader, Admiral/Matron Mother, again, not as extreme, but similar.

Both races are also hated for being unlawful (not however to the same extremes), granted for the drow it is 95% true, and most have had to adopt evil due essentially to survive, some do escape this cycle though, as seen with Drizzt Do'Urden.

There are major differences of course, I'm not saying they are the same race, that would be a poor assumption or argument, many Quarian aspects are different and are polar opposites. They should get Salvatore to make a book about a rogue Quarian, hah!  One of the major differences being the pilgrimage, while the drow do not do this, they do have other harshly designed 'prove your worth' requests for their trainees.

Of course, having both Viconia AND Tali, lead to having interesting coversations or prompts from NPCs, due to them not liking them, but I highly doubt you'll have to recruit Tali while the city guard try and burn her on the stake, both of them also have very hard outer shells, yet, both of them care very deeply for your PC, no matter what happens, even if it means accepting a Geth on board.

Modifié par Evil_Sarevok, 31 mars 2011 - 10:58 .

[Clonedzero]

anyone else avoid bringing tali on missions because of the fact that if she were to get shot she'd have a high risk of getting sick? like it makes me feel bad putting her in danger like that. i mean i know the gameplay mechanics are in place to make that no happen. but from a roleplaying perspective it doesnt seem wise to put her into combat situations.

i dunno, maybe i see her as being way more fragile than she really is. like more so than any otehr character im always like "ohh i dont want tali to get hurt"

[Golden Owl]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

That's exactly why I think most of your casual gamers (the vast majority of which will be guys) will go after Miranda. It is very obvious early on. Even though I believe that Tali has the better personality, story, culture, race and everything, casual gamers won't be as interested in that.

Na, I know Garrus is a very popular. But not as an LI (especially to the casual gamers who would be like WTF!) Only to those who have played ME1 first. And yeah, a lot of people bash Thane about his drama. But I think it adds to his character, it is also realistic in the context that he is an assassin. Things aren't going to be all rainbows and unicorns for him.

I disagree as a casual gamer (though am female)....I have only played 4 games on the XBox...Oblivion, Farcry 2, ME1, ME2 (have become addicted to ME)....I haven't seen any other games that interest me... I know very little about gaming platforms, is sometimes a little hard following whats said on these forums. But even as a casual gamer, I am still tremendously affected and caught up in what happens in my ME games....Can't stand Miranda by the way, love Tali and if I ever play a femShep, Garrus would be my prime choice, love him too.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 01 avril 2011 - 12:25 .

[Link112]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

And I didn't get why Fox made such a big deal about Liara anyway. Especially seeming though the concept of having sex with a quarian or turian would be much more 'WTF' realistically.

Really? 

Quite simply, it's because Fox is Fox and the channel is filled with more close-minded, bigoted, puritanical a-holes than...

Well, I can't come up with an apropos, or at least clever, comparison, but all of the overly conservative right-wingers in the States spank it to the likes of Glenn Beck and the rest of the crazies on the Fox Network.

Also, wow, no love for Samara, Morinth, Kasumi or Jacob.  It's nice to see Tali second in that poll.  It's also nice to see the VS's get some lovin

Modifié par Link112, 01 avril 2011 - 12:28 .

[Golden Owl]

Clonedzero wrote...

anyone else avoid bringing tali on missions because of the fact that if she were to get shot she'd have a high risk of getting sick? like it makes me feel bad putting her in danger like that. i mean i know the gameplay mechanics are in place to make that no happen. but from a roleplaying perspective it doesnt seem wise to put her into combat situations.

i dunno, maybe i see her as being way more fragile than she really is. like more so than any otehr character im always like "ohh i dont want tali to get hurt"

The same has crossed my mind a number of times and I proberbly don't take her as often as I should for that reason.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I find it funny how every screams fox but no one even remembers the name of the woman who started it all and took her false info to the network who aired it she screwed them over and everyone blames fox. But also that was made for parents who had kids under 18 who whine and scream get me this M rated game now! and stupid parent being the cave in they are and wanting to be their kids friend instead of parent buys them the M game the spot was made to tell them that they shouldn't buy the game for said child sense sex as involved. If you were an adult then you should've ignored it and also it's been 2 years people get over it and get off your high horses. Notice they haven't done that trick twice?

[Evil_Sarevok]

It made me laugh how far they'd go over something so small, and that something they hadent even seen, mind you people will sue, **** and whine about anything these days, take top gear for example, they get sued and have to apologise regularly because the rest of the world cant take a joke, or a review, if said in humour (the old Americans cant understand sarcasm steriotype when its true, its true big time).

Problem is these days, when someone calls a spade a spade, they get told they cant say that, tough I say. To be honest I wish they went back to that format, instead of the 'lets have sex with clothes on' that its come down to, yeah, people will mod such things for ulterior motives of course, but its an RPG, I want to feel immersed in the world, even if it looks a bit lewd sometimes, other times a fade to black works quite well, did with Tali, let us draw our own conclusions, I personally dont think they did more than a smooch-a-roo and spent time in eachothers company, call me innocent (it'd be a first) but I dont think it'd have gone further due to practicality, and lack of proper cleaning facilities.

Back to you though Golden Owl, you can be a casual gamer, but if you generally love a series as you say you do, in that series you generally dont get labelled 'casual' if you look into it and play it alot. Casual is more, you play 1hr a day, maybe three times a week, and play like a monkey, multiple variations on that.

In technical terms.... USERS.

Modifié par Evil_Sarevok, 01 avril 2011 - 01:03 .

[DrRedrum]

Hey there, moderate-time lurker to these boards and finally decided my first character posts to be in here. I find that Tali's character to be the most fleshed out only below Garrus and Liara for the obivious reasons. I had a question though. On the end of my LOTSB, when asked about the future and Tali's home. Just looking at the options on a youtube video, what do the "Life everywhere" and "Survival" options do for that relationship?