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[jacobOriley]

Saphra Deden wrote...

That isn't intelligence, that's immaturity. She needs to grow up more.

That's one of the great things that the ME devs did in the creation of Tali; she elicits strong reactions one way or the other.  My compliments to Bioware.

Modifié par jacobOriley, 08 avril 2011 - 12:47 .

[jacobOriley]

The point is I disagree and there's no way to prove either point unless you just like to argue.

[jacobOriley]

You're too easy Saphra  

[Tax Collector]

What does everyone think of Gerrel's plans? Is Tali being foolish for supporting Rael's old buddy?

[DrRedrum]

Saphra Deden wrote...

jacobOriley wrote...

You're too easy Saphra  

Care to elaborate or are you trolling now?

I don't see how I relate to the topic of this thread other than being a fan of Tali.

I have a question about Tali.

Does the bend in her legs imply that her home planet has a significantly different gravity (in this case heavier i think)? So that there was needed extra strength in the legs for upright beings such Quarians?

Thoughts?

[MadCat221]

Saphra Deden wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

The statement that the Geth will not negotiate is patently false.

When Shepard and Koris ask Legion if the geth are open to peace he shoots them down.

Geth aren't alive. To be alive they'd be biology. Geth have no biology. They are software. A computer program is not a living thing.

Tali's father had the right idea and so does Xen. Tali should be educated enough to agree with her instead of rudely insulting her whilst offering no solutions of her own.

Way to twist what i said to mean what it obviously does not.

Legion says that the Quarians will reliably and predictably become adversarial in any confrontation between them and the geth.  How does that translate to the geth being completely unwilling to negotiate?  He's stating a fact: Quarians get shootey when they confront the Geth.  The Geth, like any sapient, responds in kind.

What is alive and what is not is open to debate.  But they are verifiably sentient.  If they weren't, the Geth uprising would have never happened.

I'd be willing to agree to disagree, but you are using patent falsehoods and deliberate omissions as your basis and are twisting facts that do not suit your stance to become completely contrary to themselves, and then presenting your opinion as "fact" and other people's opinions as being wrongheaded.  Since you have such a disregard for factual basis of argument, I really don't see the purpoes of continuing this discussion.

Modifié par MadCat221, 08 avril 2011 - 01:15 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

Gust4v wrote...

jacobOriley wrote...
Actually it was their inability to stop the geths self evolution. The genie is out of the bottle, it's not going back in. Tali is being rational in realizing their mistake. A true renegade such as yourself would think different and certainly side with Xen. To each his/her own.

edit; nice pic Gust4v...yours?

Yes, they are new.

Those are excellent pics Gust. Do you have any plans to make screenshots of Tali using the last section of Arrival,  with the mass relay in the background? I tried to photoshop her into a screenshot but the lighting doesn't match. If it's possible to mod Tali into the game at that point (which I lack the expertise and tools to do), I believe the setting has some artistic potential.
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New topic:
 
*insert badass dialogue here*
Legion: Calculated probability of mission failure is approximately 92.32%, rounded down.
Garrus: High likelyhood of death, small chance of success...what are waiting for?
Tali: Alright, our Commander is being held somewhere in this compound. Let's do this .
(My dream ME3 opening senario.) 
What's the most badass dialogue you guys can think of for this moment of awesome?
 

[DrRedrum]

Saphra Deden wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Legion says that the Quarians will reliably and predictably become adversarial in any confrontation between them and the geth.  How does that translate to the geth being completely unwilling to negotiate?

The geth aren't willing to negotiate because they do not trust the quarians to remain peaceful. It is a rational judgment on his part, but one that undermines the peace process. I see a movement among quarians to make amends with the geth, but I see no such movement on the part of the geth.

MadCat221 wrote...

What is alive and what is not is open to debate.  But they are verifiably sentient.  If they weren't, the Geth uprising would have never happened.

It is absolutely open for debate. Just because A..I. programs designed to simulate life continue to simulate life does not mean it is alive. I don't care how a geth behaves, I care about what it is and it is not alive. Geth are just programs following their programming.

Wouldn't that imply that there would be a pattern, because its just "programming" rather than new code that a true A.I. would be able to do?

[MadCat221]

As I stated, you are using falsehoods and omissions in your arguments, and since they've been pointed out many times, you are now knowingly using them.

I also note that you missed my statement that this discussion is futile.

[Gust4v]

Tali is going to choose peace because she wants Rannoch, no Geth pets.

It's a shame that only Shepard knows about the current state of Rannoch.
Oh well, that's for ME3.

[DrRedrum]

Gust4v wrote...

Tali is going to choose peace because she wants Rannoch, no Geth pets.

It's a shame that only Shepard knows about the current state of Rannoch.
Oh well, that's for ME3.

I always had the notion that Shepard would be able to just send camera recordings of him and Legion from EDI's database to the fleet.
Of course i don't think he would take that well.

[jacobOriley]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...



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New topic:
*pic snip*


*insert badass dialogue here*
Legion: Calculated probability of mission failure is approximately 92.32%, rounded down.
Garrus: High likelyhood of death, small chance of success...what are waiting for?
Tali: Alright, our Commander is being held somewhere in this compound. Let's do this .
(My dream ME3 opening senario.) 
What's the most badass dialogue you guys can think of for this moment of awesome?
 

Nice Capt_            I like that

[Gust4v]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...
Those are excellent pics Gust. Do you have any plans to make screenshots of Tali using the last section of Arrival,  with the mass relay in the background? I tried to photoshop her into a screenshot but the lighting doesn't match. If it's possible to mod Tali into the game at that point (which I lack the expertise and tools to do), I believe the setting has some artistic potential.
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New topic:
*insert badass dialogue here*
*dialog snip*
 

Thanks.
Yeah, i'm going to check Arrival with Tali.
I want to see her punching a batarian.
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Lol.
I would say something, but I sux at creating dialogs.

[Link112]

OK, look.

Legion obviously shows signs of more than just programming. He took a piece of Shepard's armor for field repair, but can't explain why. Or doesn't want to.

Also, Saphra, you don't see any movements by the Geth because ALL bio-organic life tends to, I don't know, shoot them on sight or use their tech to their own advantage. We are never shown, nor is anything mentioned, about Geth attempts at peace. That doesn't mean attempts didn't happen.

And as far as Tali's intelligence goes, she's very smart with a high aptitude for mechanical engineering. All Quarians may be mechanically inclined, but how many do we really know could take some scrap parts and spare Eezo and make a fully-functioning drive-core out of it? That feat alone implies intelligence, and high intelligence at that.

[Goodwood]

Saphra Deden is a troll, plain and simple. Goodwood has seen their stripe before on these forums.

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[DrRedrum]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Link112 wrote...

Legion obviously shows signs of more than just programming. He took a piece of Shepard's armor for field repair, but can't explain why. Or doesn't want to.

None of that proves it is thinking, feeling lifeform. A field repair is a field repair, a convenient patch.

Link112 wrote...

Also, Saphra, you don't see any movements by the Geth because ALL bio-organic life tends to, I don't know, shoot them on sight or use their tech to their own advantage.

Organics shoot at geth because geth shoot at organics. Organics have attempted to make peace with the geth and been killed as a result. This goes all the way back to the Morning War.

Link112 wrote...

And as far as Tali's intelligence goes, she's very smart with a high aptitude for mechanical engineering.

She's smart but has little sense. She's lacking in wisdom, in other words.

So she is lacking in experience. I think we can all deduce that.

Also, incredibly dumb question but Tali is 24 in ME2 right? The bio says 22 but I am thinking that was for ME1.