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[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

Link112 wrote...

thesuperdarkone wrote...

If I can side with the Geth against the Quarians, I'd do so gladly and fight the Quarians and their silly attempts at survival. If what Legion says is true and the Heretics were just a small part of the whole Geth army, there's no telling how big the Geth are. Since they can be built, have things like Geth Prime and Geth Colossus, and are portable computers that can hack into anything and are more resilient to injury than Quarians makes me value the Geth more than the Quarians. If there is fighting, I'll always side with the Geth. Any Quarian lives lost are irreplaceable while the Geth can have backups and live to fight another day. If that means I get Legion on my side and the possibility to kill/make Tali despise me, that's just the icing on this cake

I'm sorry.  Your Tali hate thread is in another castle.

He does have a point though. The quarians are useless compared to the geth. If there would be a choice between them, choosing the geth would be the wise and pragmatic choice if considering the Reapers. Siding withthe quarians because of Tali would be highly irrational choice. As cuteand perky as she might be, she's not worth the inevitable civilian and military losses as a result destroying the geth.

However, if it'spossible to save both, of course that's what people should do. Unless they're renegade and hate their own mothers.

I think joining Geth would be consider Paragon choice.

Well only if Xen does something that will destroy any hope for Geth-Quarian peace, let alone alliance.


But I do hope we won't need to choose sides if you play it out correctly in ME2.

Modifié par Mesina2, 16 avril 2011 - 12:08 .

[Alienmorph]

Nah, not particularry dumb, but surely would be nice if to save both factions we'll have to do something harder than just pick the right choice of dialogues a pair of times.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 16 avril 2011 - 01:34 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

Does anyone believe Bioware will reveal Tali's face in ME3? I was just considering all the different scenarios and directions Bioware could take if they finally show us what Tali looks like under her mask. It's very probable that it would be a one off scene, we get to see her face once and then it's hidden away again.  Bioware might also show Tali's face regardless of her being romanced.

Something I'd like is; once we've seen her face revealed through a cinamatic scene (to fully show Tali in all her splendor), Tali gets a transparent visor appearance in addition to her opaque visor appearance (you'd be able to  switch between the two). I'd totally enjoy having the option to give her a transparent visor so I could see her face all the time.
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No top pic? I'll post a middle pic then.

Thanks again Gust4v for helping me aquire this image.

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 16 avril 2011 - 03:25 .

[CroGamer002]

Saphra Deden wrote...

We should have to pick sides. Bioware needs to man up and stop letting us avoid making any really hard choices. Being able to get both squadmates loyal or talk your way out of Tali's trial was dumb.

Sure it would be pretty tough decision to make but there should be a way to avoid taking sides.

For example you'll only be able to persuade most of admirals( Xen will never listen) only if you in ME2 used raise the crowd option since now Quarians people stand up more for them self and listen Shepard. With that Admirals will be pressured by public to go with peace with Geth and possible Alliance.

Only Xen is against it and she rebels with her followers and attacks Geth with the virus.
After you deal with her, Geth will understand that was the act of the few and that Quarians really want peace. So diplomacy starts and not only peace is made, but alliance.



Just a thought.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Xen is awesomesauce, quit hatin'.


Just joking

[Weiser_Cain]

I'm pretty sue I'll be putting a 'highly accelerated shard of metal' through her skull in the next game.

[Alienmorph]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

*snipabotTaliface*

I think you're right, it would be more fair if BW prepares a way to see her face even if she wasn't romanced. So... an example of multiple reveal option:

1 - Romanced Tali happy ending: the name says it already. Just Shepard pulling off her faceplace once more to kiss her in the ending of the game and this time the camera angle allows us to see her face. 
2 - Retake of Rannoch: a non-Talimancing Shepard leaves alone Tali on the surface of Rannoch for a few minutes and she removes her mask and take a deep breath of her homeworld's air before leaving.
3 - Darth Vader-like reveal: in the final battle Tali is fatally injured and dying, so she pulls off her mask to salute her Commander and the others and we see her face. Or her faceplate was broken during the attack where she was injured and her face is visible.

I think these are going to be the most likely reveal-the-face possibilities, excluding an eventual ME1-like sex scene. Also, I don't think she won't wear a transparent visor... the choice of showing their faces only to trusted/beloved people is one of the last bits of privacy that quarians maintained after centuries of life stocked on the Migrant Fleet, I can't imagine a plausible reason for her to quit a such important tradition. Also, Shepard already saw her face, so in theory she would have already put on a transparent visor if she was willing to do it.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 16 avril 2011 - 03:26 .

[IndigoWolfe]

@Mesina2

But do the quarian people as a majority really want peace? It would make sense to me that the destruction of the geth would be the popular option --if given the choice-- with the quarians.

[IndigoWolfe]

Sorry to butt in here, but I have to say this.

Alienmorph wrote...

1 - Romanced Tali happy ending: the name says it already. Just Shepard pulling off her faceplace once more to kiss her in the ending of the game and this time the camera angle allows us to see her face.

(nooooooooooooooooo...) /humor

Serious now,

2 - Retake of Rannoch: a non-Talimancing Shepard leaves alone Tali on the surface of Rannoch for a few minutes and she removes her mask and take a deep breath of her homeworld's air before leaving.

And spend the next few weeks laid up on sick leave? The quarians wouldn't be able to take their masks off immediately. Rannoch is now foreign to their immune system, they would have to acclimatize.

3 - Darth Vader-like reveal: in the final battle Tali is fatally injured and dying, so she pulls off her mask to salute her Commander and the others and we see her face. Or her faceplate was broken during the attack where she was injured and her face is visible.

I thought of something similar, to tell the truth. And I actually think that if Bioware were to reveal Tali's face, then this would be the way to do it. This is not Tali hate, mind you. I think it if they were to show her face during a glittery-butterfly happy ending, it would come off as more than a little saccharine.

[CroGamer002]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

@Mesina2

But do the quarian people as a majority really want peace? It would make sense to me that the destruction of the geth would be the popular option --if given the choice-- with the quarians.

Opinion of the Geth is mixed among Quarians AND everyone knows that attacking Geth will be very costly. Since there's not many of them I'm sure they don't want to go extinct.


Also they might listen to Shepard. He/she is charismatic individual, especially if you raised the crowd in Tali LM in ME2.

[Alienmorph]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

2 - Retake of Rannoch: a non-Talimancing Shepard leaves alone Tali on the surface of Rannoch for a few minutes and she removes her mask and take a deep breath of her homeworld's air before leaving.

And spend the next few weeks laid up on sick leave? The quarians wouldn't be able to take their masks off immediately. Rannoch is now foreign to their immune system, they would have to acclimatize.

She can f**k an alien out of her suit and survive. Why she couldn't take off her mask for a few seconds to find out how her planet smells?

[IndigoWolfe]

Mesina2 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

@Mesina2

But do the quarian people as a majority really want peace? It would make sense to me that the destruction of the geth would be the popular option --if given the choice-- with the quarians.

Opinion of the Geth is mixed among Quarians AND everyone knows that attacking Geth will be very costly. Since there's not many of them I'm sure they don't want to go extinct.


Also they might listen to Shepard. He/she is charismatic individual, especially if you raised the crowd in Tali LM in ME2.

Well, if a possibility like a virus were offered, with its utilization resulting in a minimum of quarian lives lost, wouldn't that change things?

They might listen to Shepard, yes. Although another possibility I think is just as likely is the quarians are rather resistant to a non-quarian dictating which path their race should take.

[Capt_Flashheart]

Alienmorph wrote...

I don't think she won't wear a transparent visor... the choice of showing their faces only to trusted/beloved people is one of the last bits of privacy that quarians maintained after centuries of life stocked on the Migrant Fleet, I can't imagine a plausible reason for her to quit a such important tradition. Also, Shepard already saw her face, so in theory she would have already put on a transparent visor if she was willing to do it.

I agree that Tali walking around in public with a transparent visor wouldn't fit with her character or Quarian heritage. Maybe it's still a possibility for when she's alone with Shepard (for instance, when Shepard invites her to the captain's cabin). I think she would understand that letting Shepard see her face smile, laugh, ect outside the bedroom would increase intimacy. I'll be ok with whatever Bioware decides to do with regards to revealing Tali's face, just so long as they actually show it.

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 16 avril 2011 - 03:56 .

[IndigoWolfe]

Alienmorph wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

2 - Retake of Rannoch: a non-Talimancing Shepard leaves alone Tali on the surface of Rannoch for a few minutes and she removes her mask and take a deep breath of her homeworld's air before leaving.

And spend the next few weeks laid up on sick leave? The quarians wouldn't be able to take their masks off immediately. Rannoch is now foreign to their immune system, they would have to acclimatize.

She can f**k an alien out of her suit and survive. Why she couldn't take off her mask for a few seconds to find out how her planet smells?

She used specialized immuno-boosters, and I can imagine that (a) Shepard showers and ( they used some sort of protection. (Space-condoms wooo! ) And she still got pretty sick, although not as sick as she could have been.

Now, a new planet on the other hand, has all sorts of nasty germs in the air. Far more than I imagine are present in a starship, as evidenced by the quarian's own severely weakened immune system. And unless Tali makes a habit of going around hopped up on immuno boosters just in case they might retake the quarian homeworld within the next few minutes (be prepared!) the effect taking a nice draft of unfiltered Rannoch air would have a very noticable effect on her health and operational capacity.

[Alienmorph]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

2
- Retake of Rannoch: a non-Talimancing Shepard leaves alone Tali on the
surface of Rannoch for a few minutes and she removes her mask and take a
deep breath of her homeworld's air before leaving.

And
spend the next few weeks laid up on sick leave? The quarians wouldn't
be able to take their masks off immediately. Rannoch is now foreign to
their immune system, they would have to acclimatize.

She
can f**k an alien out of her suit and survive. Why she couldn't take
off her mask for a few seconds to find out how her planet smells?

She
used specialized immuno-boosters, and I can imagine that (a) Shepard
showers and ( they used some sort of protection. (Space-condoms wooo! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]) And she still got pretty sick, although not as sick as she could have been.

Again, why she can't take immuno boost in that occasion too? She'd need only few seconds without the faceplate, not 1-2 hours completely naked. She can survive imho.

IndigoWolfe wrote...

3 - Darth Vader-like reveal: in the final battle Tali is fatally injured and dying, so she pulls off her mask to salute her Commander and the others and we see her face. Or her faceplate was broken during the attack where she was injured and her face is visible.



I thought of something similar, to tell the truth. And I actually think that if Bioware were to reveal Tali's face, then this would be the way to do it. This is not Tali hate, mind you. I think it if they were to show her face during a glittery-butterfly happy ending, it would come off as more than a little saccharine.

It's going to be definately one of the most possible ways to see her face. Still, I hope there will be 1 or o 2 other options to do that wich won't imply that she'll die one second after we saw her face.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 16 avril 2011 - 04:01 .

[CroGamer002]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Well, if a possibility like a virus were offered, with its utilization resulting in a minimum of quarian lives lost, wouldn't that change things?

True, but she wants to control Geth.
I don't think Quarians want to make same mistake again.

They might listen to Shepard, yes. Although another possibility I think is just as likely is the quarians are rather resistant to a non-quarian dictating which path their race should take.

That's why I said they'll listen to Shepard only if he/she raised the crowd in Tali LM.

[IndigoWolfe]

Mesina2 wrote...

True, but she wants to control Geth.
I don't think Quarians want to make same mistake again.

If I were to make a gut-based prediction, I foresee you having the choice between using a virus to destroy the geth consciousness, or enslaving it.

That's why I said they'll listen to Shepard only if he/she raised the crowd in Tali LM.

During that time, the context was regarding a fellow quarian. Shepard was saying "Are you going to let them do this to Tali?", whereas if Shepard were to tell them what they should do about the geth, it would be "You should do X". I think it's likely that they would behave differently.

[Alienmorph]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

I don't think she won't wear a transparent visor... the choice of showing their faces only to trusted/beloved people is one of the last bits of privacy that quarians maintained after centuries of life stocked on the Migrant Fleet, I can't imagine a plausible reason for her to quit a such important tradition. Also, Shepard already saw her face, so in theory she would have already put on a transparent visor if she was willing to do it.

I agree that Tali walking around in public with a transparent visor wouldn't fit with her character or Quarian heritage. Maybe it's still a possibility for when she's alone with Shepard (for instance, when Shepard invites her to the captain's cabin). I think she would understand that letting Shepard see her face smile, laugh, ect outside the bedroom would increase intimacy. I'll be ok with whatever Bioware decides to do with regards to revealing Tali's face, just so long as they actually show it.

I meant something like this?

[IndigoWolfe]

Alienmorph wrote...

Again, why she can't take immuno boost in that occasion too? She'd need only few seconds without the faceplate, not 1-2 hours completely naked. She can survive imho.

The risk of contamination is not directly proportional to the area of skin exposed. It's all about whether or not germs make it into the body. The most direct routes would be the orifices. And since most of the body's orifices are on the face...

Take the quarian in Revealation; he got sick from a single crack in his visor.

[Alienmorph]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Again, why she can't take immuno boost in that occasion too? She'd need only few seconds without the faceplate, not 1-2 hours completely naked. She can survive imho.

The risk of contamination is not directly proportional to the area of skin exposed. It's all about whether or not germs make it into the body. The most direct routes would be the orifices. And since most of the body's orifices are on the face...

Take the quarian in Revealation; he got sick from a single crack in his visor.

I didn't say she won't get sick I just sayed she won't get CRITICALLY sick or dying. Whathever, I understand your point. I suppose we won't find out what will happen until we'll be able to take Tali on Rannoch.

[Capt_Flashheart]

Alienmorph wrote...

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

I don't think she won't wear a transparent visor... the choice of showing their faces only to trusted/beloved people is one of the last bits of privacy that quarians maintained after centuries of life stocked on the Migrant Fleet, I can't imagine a plausible reason for her to quit a such important tradition. Also, Shepard already saw her face, so in theory she would have already put on a transparent visor if she was willing to do it.

I agree that Tali walking around in public with a transparent visor wouldn't fit with her character or Quarian heritage. Maybe it's still a possibility for when she's alone with Shepard (for instance, when Shepard invites her to the captain's cabin). I think she would understand that letting Shepard see her face smile, laugh, ect outside the bedroom would increase intimacy. I'll be ok with whatever Bioware decides to do with regards to revealing Tali's face, just so long as they actually show it.

I meant something like this?
*snip*

That's exactly what I was thinking!

Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 16 avril 2011 - 04:46 .

[lovgreno]

Alienmorph wrote...


I meant something like this?

I see Shepard isn't the only one who can make a rapeface. Yer about to be quarian pounced Shepard!

[FsDxRAGE]

I remember when I first saw that picture. I D'AAAAAAAAAW'd out of my chair