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Débuté par Collider , sept. 13 2010 07:37

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 10:26

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1 the Geth aren't children, they're rogue machines. If my laptop starts talking to me I'm pulling it's cord.

Why pull the cord (and really, what good would that do to an intelligent laptop? It runs on a battery fer christ's sake)? Maybe it just wants to have a friendly conversation. Isn't it better to just find out instead of grabbing the Idiot Ball like the quarians did and try smashing it to bits because it has become self-aware?

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2 It's fiction bro.

Ah, so you're a meta-gamer. Good for you. I prefer to immerse myself in the game and make choices based on what I would do in real life had I personally been in that position... you know, roleplay. But that's just me.

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3 The Quarians were right, once word got out they were ostracized from the rest of galactic civilization and prevented from settling on another planet.

Proving what? That it was the quarians fault that they ended up having to fight a war on their own they could not win because they went against the established laws of the galaxy and created intelligent machines, and that it would have ramifications for centuries because the aforementioned creation of intelligent machines burned every single diplomatic bridge they had with the Citadel? Cause yes, it was.

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4 I don't intend to waste the Geth, once they're all dead or rather deactivated, I'm going to take them apart and figure out how to prevent this in the future.

Yeah and while you're at it you can "deactivate" the turians, asari and salarians, take them apart and figure out how to prevent that in the future. They are just as intelligent and aware of their existence, but what does that matter?

Everything that is intelligent and can acknowledge its own existence deserves to exist, no matter if it's organic or machines. Saying that only organics reserve the right to exist is the same as saying we should release and tolerate the existence of deadly bacteria because, hey, they are organic and thus deserve to exist.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 10:32

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nooo my talipics!!!

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 10:47

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T.Attwood wrote...

I have a question regarding Tali's voice that I noticed last night during a play through of ME2 (I must also give my congratulations to Bioware for creating such a wonderful character!). During the scene In Shepard's quarters where Tali's mask is removed, did Bioware's Audio department make an mistake? Quarians all wear masks and (in my view) their speech also sounds constrained as if they are talking through a helmet (which they are). But when Shepard removes Tali's mask, her voice 'still' sounds like as if she is talking through a mask. I think that scene would have been a great opportunity to reveal something about her and to have heard what she sounds like when not constrained by a suit. Or was this an oversight during the games development?

Maybe in ME3, if we don't get to see what she looks like, it would be just as good to see her talking to Shepard on her home planet (camera behind her head), but without her helmet and being able to hear her real voice...

The voice is a little different. Also, the word 'feeling' is a separate soundfile.

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nooo my talipics!!!

Hey, you can always post more pics.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 10:48

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Hellbound555 wrote...

QUARIAN POUNCE TIME!!!
http://t2.gstatic.co...lrbcMpQnN8Q&t=1
Posted Image after years of being pounced, shepdawg turns the table.

more pouncing!!
http://t1.gstatic.co...4m_8ANSeV5Q&t=1
http://t2.gstatic.co...fv2Cc6NNdAQ&t=1
Posted Image

is this tali's face?
http://t0.gstatic.co...4sfyZrcXWpA&t=1


last pic, thoughts?

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 10:54

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Hellbound555 wrote...
http://t0.gstatic.co...4sfyZrcXWpA&t=1


last pic, thoughts?

This is fine by me actualy. It could have looked more alien but I like that it looks a bit creepy and inhuman. Still kinda cute though.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 11:11

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perhaps a little bit more talibrations would make the pic perfect.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 11:14

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Everything can wait a bit when you are in the middle of some talibrations.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 11:18

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talibrations old chap, they are elementary.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 12:39

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Arcian wrote...

Why pull the cord (and really, what good would that do to an intelligent laptop? It runs on a battery fer christ's sake)? Maybe it just wants to have a friendly conversation. Isn't it better to just find out instead of grabbing the Idiot Ball like the quarians did and try smashing it to bits because it has become self-aware?


Is it smart to put your entire civilization in jeopardy just to satisfy your curiosity? You obviously don't understand the situation the quarians were in. They couldn't afford to sit around and hope the geth would stay passive. The geth were quickly evolving beyond the quarians' ability to control them and worse yet the geth were integrated into ever facet of quarian life. They were used in the military, for labor, and for more mundane roles. The safest course of action was to make the first move and eliminate the problem before it became worse.

The quarians were not stupid, they were unlucky.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 12:50

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Arcian wrote...
Everything that is intelligent and can acknowledge its own existence deserves to exist, no matter if it's organic or machines. Saying that only organics reserve the right to exist is the same as saying we should release and tolerate the existence of deadly bacteria because, hey, they are organic and thus deserve to exist.


What about only sentient organics?

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 12:55

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If you were forced to have a choice and had to either choose Tali or Legion and kill the other and ****** off their race, what would you honestly do since Casey implied you WILL have to choose a side and you can't earn their loyalty with just sidequests and I think Xen's faction could cause tensions that could erupt into a full blown conflict with a choice needing to be made.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 01:02

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thesuperdarkone wrote...

If you were forced to have a choice and had to either choose Tali or Legion and kill the other and ****** off their race, what would you honestly do since Casey implied you WILL have to choose a side and you can't earn their loyalty with just sidequests and I think Xen's faction could cause tensions that could erupt into a full blown conflict with a choice needing to be made.


With my canon Shep it would boil down to which side she thinks would be of better use against the Reapers.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 02:10

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With my canon Shep it would boil down to which side she thinks would be of better use against the Reapers.

This is a good point. I don't have much against either Geth or Quarians, they are both just doing their best to survive in a galaxy hostile to them. So it would realy suck to have to abandon one of them.

The fact however is that the geth are way stronger than the quarians, in fact they are possibly rivaling the superpowers in the galaxy, and I would prefer to have them shooting at the reapers than Shepard.

After the war however it should be time for rebuilding and burying old grudges, hard as it may be for some. Long term survival is always what should be the priority.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 02:11

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My canon Shepard is Paragade. He will do what he can to keep both species alive and working towards peace. Only if that fails would he side with the quarians. Geth are programs and just need a storage location to keep them functioning. Wipe out the platforms, remove the ability for one of their stations around Rannoch to transmit and imprison them there. No need to destroy the entire geth race, just knock them down to oh, say 17 million or so. Tali could live with that.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 03:27

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thesuperdarkone wrote...

If you were forced to have a choice and had to either choose Tali or Legion and kill the other and ****** off their race, what would you honestly do since Casey implied you WILL have to choose a side and you can't earn their loyalty with just sidequests and I think Xen's faction could cause tensions that could erupt into a full blown conflict with a choice needing to be made.


Only time will tell.  As much as I enjoy Legion and have nothing really against the true Geth, I'd pick Tali.  At least, my CanonShep would pick Tali, being the romantic interest and all that.

Though the Geth are nearly pure logic based, and I don't think it would make logical sense for them to help the Reapers, even if all the Geth are doing is staying out of it.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 03:38

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Calinstel wrote...

No need to destroy the entire geth race, just knock them down to oh, say 17 million or so. Tali could live with that.

So one wrong is going to make another wrong right?

That makes perfect sense. /sarcasm

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 03:41

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I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 03:43

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Dragon XIX wrote...

Arcian wrote...
Everything that is intelligent and can acknowledge its own existence deserves to exist, no matter if it's organic or machines. Saying that only organics reserve the right to exist is the same as saying we should release and tolerate the existence of deadly bacteria because, hey, they are organic and thus deserve to exist.


What about only sentient organics?

Why only them? Why are they the only ones who deserve to exist?

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Arcian wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

No need to destroy the entire geth race, just knock them down to oh, say 17 million or so. Tali could live with that.

So one wrong is going to make another wrong right?

That makes perfect sense. /sarcasm

Nice way to quote only a portion of what I said to change its meaning.

I said IF peace cannot be obtained between the quarians and geth, then I would side with the quarians.  But, instead of killing them all, I would try to keep some alive.  The 17 million was just a referrence to the current population of the quarian race.
You would prefer to just wipe them all out?  I don't think even Tali would accept that now.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 03:52

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You know, the quarians could be useful in more ways than just sheer strength. Like repairs, upgrades, retrofitting and so on.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 03:55

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Someone With Mass wrote...

You know, the quarians could be useful in more ways than just sheer strength. Like repairs, upgrades, retrofitting and so on.


...pounces... :mellow:

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 04:04

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The safest course of action was to make the first move and eliminate the problem before it became worse.

There never was a problem in the first place, the quarians created the problem themselves by getting butthurt over the fact that they could no longer control the geth and attacking them because they were becoming intellectual equals. The geth showed no hostility whatsoever until the quarian government decided to hit the massive delete-button.

Let's put it like this: if all african slaves in the 19th century America began to question their white slave masters and said slave masters tried to kill them all in fear that they might rise up to free themselves, and they did just this when trying to prevent themselves from being killed, and the ensuing conflict ended up killing most of the white people owning them in the process, would you have argued for the total and utter annihilation of all africans? They were fighting for their goddamn right to exist as free men.

I'm using africans as a comparison here because in the 19th century they weren't regarded as much more than property, very much like the geth were by the quarians in the same period of time. It doesn't matter if it's africans or thinking machines - everything with the capacity for intelligence, understanding and wisdom has reserved the right to exist, and no form of intelligence is the master of another intelligence.

If you think otherwise, you are a bigot.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 04:19

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Calinstel wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

No need to destroy the entire geth race, just knock them down to oh, say 17 million or so. Tali could live with that.

So one wrong is going to make another wrong right?

That makes perfect sense. /sarcasm

Nice way to quote only a portion of what I said to change its meaning.

I said IF peace cannot be obtained between the quarians and geth, then I would side with the quarians.  But, instead of killing them all, I would try to keep some alive.  The 17 million was just a referrence to the current population of the quarian race.
You would prefer to just wipe them all out?  I don't think even Tali would accept that now.

I knew what you meant, but mass-murdering the geth even while leaving a minority alive doesn't really solve anything. The geth did that in self-defense to neutralize the quarians as a military threat and realized, "****, we really went overboard here" after seeing the Migrant Fleet slowly deteriorating.

That was the high price the quarians paid for attacking the geth unprovoked. Doing the same to the geth would just be petty vengeance, not to mention it would leave both parties extremely weak and ultimately making them useless in the war against the Reapers.

The inherent problem here is that the quarians are so absorbed by their ancestral grudge that they fail to see the big picture. As I see it, there are three points to consider:

1) The quarians will not survive another war with the geth. While the quarians have remained stagnant, their fleet slowly rotting, the geth has mustered one of the biggest, strongest fleets in the entire galaxy. Attacking Rannoch is a last-resort plan because everything else (applying for new colonies, finding suitable worlds, improving the MF) has failed.
2) The geth are willing to cease hostilities if the quarians can show that they truly desire that as well. Considering the geth doesn't actually use the worlds they took from the quarians, an agreement could easily be made to transfer Rannoch and all the other colonies back to the current generation of quarians without the need for pointless bloodshed. This would also make the geth an ally in the Reaper War.
3) The geth fleet will be a f***ing godsend against the Reapers. Continuing the grudge will eliminate them as a potential ally, and it will ultimately leave the galaxy weaker.

When balancing what the quarians and the geth can bring to the table in terms of combat power, the geth comes out so strong they make the quarian fleet look like a crumpled piece of tinfoil. Therefore, it is most beneficial to side with the geth. That doesn't mean destroying the quarians is a good thing - they are intelligent, and also deserve their right to live, but they have made themselves expendable because they refuse to accept the geth as equals and pursue every idiotic chance they can get to kill them.

Neither choice is good, but choosing the geth is the pragmatic choice and the overall best for the sake of the galaxy.

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It is clear that you only wish to push your agenda and views. Kill the quarians. Save the geth. The pragmatic choice is to not accept either individual option. But from your rather lengthy explanation it is clear your opinion and mine differ greatly. Your argument is that since the quarians attacked the geth, it is only proper to let the geth finish the job and wipe them out? Tali would be greatly disappointed in your reasoning. If a quarian dies, that unique entity is gone forever. If a geth dies, the geth collective downloads copies of the very same program into a new platform. Nothing unique is lost.
As an old (paraphrased) sign reads. My minds made up, don't confuse with with your facts.
Fact. BW showed via Legion that peace can be obtained. If they chose now to ignore their own information then BW is much less the software company I was led to believe.

This is off topic and again, Tali would be highly disappointed.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 05:35

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Arcian wrote...

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1 the Geth aren't children, they're rogue machines. If my laptop starts talking to me I'm pulling it's cord.

Why pull the cord (and really, what good would that do to an intelligent laptop? It runs on a battery fer christ's sake)? Maybe it just wants to have a friendly conversation. Isn't it better to just find out instead of grabbing the Idiot Ball like the quarians did and try smashing it to bits because it has become self-aware?

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2 It's fiction bro.

Ah, so you're a meta-gamer. Good for you. I prefer to immerse myself in the game and make choices based on what I would do in real life had I personally been in that position... you know, roleplay. But that's just me.

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3 The Quarians were right, once word got out they were ostracized from the rest of galactic civilization and prevented from settling on another planet.

Proving what? That it was the quarians fault that they ended up having to fight a war on their own they could not win because they went against the established laws of the galaxy and created intelligent machines, and that it would have ramifications for centuries because the aforementioned creation of intelligent machines burned every single diplomatic bridge they had with the Citadel? Cause yes, it was.

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4 I don't intend to waste the Geth, once they're all dead or rather deactivated, I'm going to take them apart and figure out how to prevent this in the future.

Yeah and while you're at it you can "deactivate" the turians, asari and salarians, take them apart and figure out how to prevent that in the future. They are just as intelligent and aware of their existence, but what does that matter?

Everything that is intelligent and can acknowledge its own existence deserves to exist, no matter if it's organic or machines. Saying that only organics reserve the right to exist is the same as saying we should release and tolerate the existence of deadly bacteria because, hey, they are organic and thus deserve to exist.

1 My laptop has a crap battery. Once I pull it's cord it going to start waxing on about the fragility of like and strip down to it's biker shorts for a deadly game of tag. A better thing to do would have been to have a host of commands sitting in a uninterruptable layer above the Geth 'mind'. "Geth, primary command, Initiate system-wide reboot." But then they weren't trying to make the Geth so I guess they can be forgiven for the oversight.

2 Not really, I was just trying to calm you down before you posts turned into you repeatedly 'screaming' 'Murderer!' at me, which you may do anyway after this post. I killed the Rachni.

3 That this would be a deal breaker with the rest of galactic civilization and that they needed to try and get rid of them, you can't fault them for loosing a war.

4 We put dogs down all the time.
I'm sure DNA analysis will be advanced significantly enough in the future to make dissections almost unnecessary, and anyway we could always just purchase the medical knowledge of the races from them or the Salarians.
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