Tali'Zorah Thread *Spoiler warning!*
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 05:59
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Faust1991 wrote...
*Rapeface Shep Demotivator Snip*
Upper Left Blue FTW.
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#12553
Posté 30 avril 2011 - 06:00
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Good job in not quoting or reacting to trolls folks, remember to PM me and continue on with the Tali Love
#12554
Posté 30 avril 2011 - 06:09
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I know theres already news for Tali but this is too good a chance to pass up.
#12555
Posté 30 avril 2011 - 06:13
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javierabegazo wrote...
Good job in not quoting or reacting to trolls folks, remember to PM me and continue on with the Tali Love
There was a troll here?
Huh. I didn't notice.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 06:14
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No, my point is that if we have to choose, choosing the geth is overall better because they aren't militarily useless bigots with ingrained grudges like the quarians. If we get the choice to save both, naturally I will do that since the quarians are better purposed in a field medic role, kind of.Calinstel wrote...
It is clear that you only wish to push your agenda and views. Kill the quarians. Save the geth.
Do you even know what pragmatic means? Saving both is impossibly pragmatic if the choice itself is inherently impossible, which it might be if BW decides to enforce the "choose one or the other, they are mutually exclusive"-idea.Calinstel wrote...
The pragmatic choice is to not accept either individual option.
No, it's that if the quarians keep pushing for war and refuse to work with the geth, letting the bigoted quarians perish in their inevitably losing war is preferable to helping them eliminate the inarguably stronger combat force. I'm just being harshly practical here, I don't want either to die. I even defend the bloody batarians because they can still be useful, and I in the role of Shepard has every reason to hate their guts (Mindoir and Elysium).Calinstel wrote...
Your argument is that since the quarians attacked the geth, it is only proper to let the geth finish the job and wipe them out?
Doesn't really matter, I'm her captain. She can deal with it or request a transfer.Calinstel wrote...
Tali would be greatly disappointed in your reasoning.
Also, there is no singular platform large enough to hold every geth in existence. Therefore, no matter how you angle the idea, a lot of "uniqueness" is inevitably going to be lost, which would equal mass murder on an intellectual and sapient level.Calinstel wrote...
If a quarian dies, that unique entity is gone forever. If a geth dies, the geth collective downloads copies of the very same program into a new platform. Nothing unique is lost.
Or, it just shows the quarians ancestral hatred for the geth runs so deep that they refuse to be practical and sensical about it. Just the fact of them prioritizing to fight the geth when they KNOW the Reapers are coming shows how retarded they are being about it.Calinstel wrote...
Fact. BW showed via Legion that peace can be obtained. If they chose now to ignore their own information then BW is much less the software company I was led to believe.
This was made with Tali in mind when I asked people to remove Tali's loyalty and love from the equation of having to choose between the quarians and the geth out of a "who is better fit to fight the Reapers"-perspective? It is a trick question, because the correct answer is the geth. Yet people keep using their obsessive love and adoration for her and her very flawed and weak species as a reason to oppose the much more combat-able and stronger geth, which of course is a valid answer to my original question because it shows how people - much like the quarians themselves - refuse to be practical about the situation.Calinstel wrote...
This is off topic
Social experiment concluded. You can go back to your mancing.
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and again, Tali would be highly disappointed.
And yet again, Tali can be as disappointed as she likes, I'm still her captain. And if she's got a problem with that, the airlock is that way ---->. Of course, we will land somewhere before she exits so the vacuum doesn't kill her, but still, if she's got a problem with it she is absolutely welcome to leave.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 06:18
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Someone With Mass wrote...
javierabegazo wrote...
Good job in not quoting or reacting to trolls folks, remember to PM me and continue on with the Tali Love
There was a troll here?
Huh. I didn't notice.
Yeah he came in right after i put up my SHEPLOO FACE picture and his post got deleted not long after. I hope people didn't think i was trolling too i just put it up to lighten the mood
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:10
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IMO quarians...and Tali: purple skin; cute humanoid face with sweet features; white short hair(uncombed). Quite sure she will be so ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:12
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I personally didn't find Tali a terribly interesting character. Beyond her suit which is non even character-specific it just boiled down to Daddy issues with her which was pretty much the common theme of everyone else's problems. I also felt all her dialogue was basically a codex of Quarian history which I didn't find terribly entertaining.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:16
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iamtruth wrote...
I personally didn't find Tali a terribly interesting character. Beyond her suit which is non even character-specific it just boiled down to Daddy issues with her which was pretty much the common theme of everyone else's problems. I also felt all her dialogue was basically a codex of Quarian history which I didn't find terribly entertaining.
this is your personal opinion.
personally i think that quarians' history is the most interesting story in confront with the history of other species...so it is an added value to tali character
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:17
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AlexShepard89 wrote...
IMO quarians...and Tali: purple skin; cute humanoid face with sweet features; white short hair(uncombed). Quite sure she will be so
however...your opinion???
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:19
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YMMV. I felt she was a bit "quarian encyclopaedia in ME1," but that changed in ME2. I feel there's far more to her character than her issues with her father. In fact most of the characters in ME2 have something of the sort of "Daddy issues" (Jacob, Miranda, Samara, Thane, etc) so it does not seem to be a criticism of Tali specifically but most of the squad mates in general. Anyway, matter of opinion.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:21
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I know... that's why I said "personally" at the start of my post. My complaint wasn't that the history of the quarians was boring specifically, just that it seemed to be in place of of actual character-specific dialogue/etc. which I didn't find added too much value to Tali's character specifically, given how it seemed to push aside potential actual character stuff.AlexShepard89 wrote...
iamtruth wrote...
I personally didn't find Tali a terribly interesting character. Beyond her suit which is non even character-specific it just boiled down to Daddy issues with her which was pretty much the common theme of everyone else's problems. I also felt all her dialogue was basically a codex of Quarian history which I didn't find terribly entertaining.
this is your personal opinion.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:25
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In ME1, she was more or less a walking quarian encyclopedia; in ME2, she had become more mature and confident. I call this character development.iamtruth wrote...
I personally didn't find Tali a terribly interesting character. Beyond her suit which is non even character-specific it just boiled down to Daddy issues with her which was pretty much the common theme of everyone else's problems. I also felt all her dialogue was basically a codex of Quarian history which I didn't find terribly entertaining.
But yes, I guess it's a matter of personal perspective/opinion. I, for one, think both ME1 Tali and ME2 Tali have their pros and cons, but it doesn't make Tali any less interesting as a whole character.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:31
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Collider wrote...
YMMV. I felt she was a bit "quarian encyclopaedia in ME1," but that changed in ME2. I feel there's far more to her character than her issues with her father. In fact most of the characters in ME2 have something of the sort of "Daddy issues" (Jacob, Miranda, Samara, Thane, etc) so it does not seem to be a criticism of Tali specifically but most of the squad mates in general. Anyway, matter of opinion.
Technically, Thane is the daddy issue.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:36
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Arcian wrote...
No, my point is that if we have to choose,
choosing the geth is overall better because they aren't militarily
useless bigots with ingrained grudges like the quarians.
Actually
the geth are pretty much useless. What did they offer you in ME2? A
single platform and a sniper rifle. Otherwise they just used you to
eliminate their enemies.
Arcian wrote...
No, it's
that if the quarians keep pushing for war and refuse to work with the
geth, letting the bigoted quarians perish in their inevitably losing war
is preferable to helping them eliminate the inarguably stronger combat
force.
An ironic statement considering we have ever only
seen an actual desire for peace (and actions taken to facilitate it) on
the part of the quarians. The geth meanwhile remain completely neutral
about the whole thing. For ever Xen there is a Koris.
There is
nothing illogical or bigoted about the quarians desires. They want their
homeworld back and they are divided about how to go about obtaining it.
Far from being impractical, people like Xen are taking a very realistic
approach to such an endeavor. As Gerrel says if they are to fight the
Reapers they need a place to shelter their noncombatants while they do
it.
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YMMV. I felt she was a bit "quarian encyclopaedia in ME1,"
I felt that way at first but after subsequent playthroughs I started to like her humor a lot. She has some great lines in ME1.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:36
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In ME2 should was more grownup and such but I wouldn't say it's something I'd hang my hat on. She seemed shoehorned into the daddy issue when they could have done a lot more (and something more interesting).Fiery Phoenix wrote...
In ME1, she was more or less a walking quarian encyclopedia; in ME2, she had become more mature and confident. I call this character development.iamtruth wrote...
I personally didn't find Tali a terribly interesting character. Beyond her suit which is non even character-specific it just boiled down to Daddy issues with her which was pretty much the common theme of everyone else's problems. I also felt all her dialogue was basically a codex of Quarian history which I didn't find terribly entertaining.
But yes, I guess it's a matter of personal perspective/opinion. I, for one, think both ME1 Tali and ME2 Tali have their pros and cons, but it doesn't make Tali any less interesting as a whole character.
I do think the whole quarian history thing was interesting, I just wasn't interested in the character itself.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:38
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I totally agree, I felt that they only really put Tali into the squad to give us a reason to hear/care about Quarian history while doing nothing with the actual character himself.iamtruth wrote...
In ME2 should was more grownup and such but I wouldn't say it's something I'd hang my hat on. She seemed shoehorned into the daddy issue when they could have done a lot more (and something more interesting).Fiery Phoenix wrote...
In ME1, she was more or less a walking quarian encyclopedia; in ME2, she had become more mature and confident. I call this character development.iamtruth wrote...
I personally didn't find Tali a terribly interesting character. Beyond her suit which is non even character-specific it just boiled down to Daddy issues with her which was pretty much the common theme of everyone else's problems. I also felt all her dialogue was basically a codex of Quarian history which I didn't find terribly entertaining.
But yes, I guess it's a matter of personal perspective/opinion. I, for one, think both ME1 Tali and ME2 Tali have their pros and cons, but it doesn't make Tali any less interesting as a whole character.
I do think the whole quarian history thing was interesting, I just wasn't interested in the character itself.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:39
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In any event, let's not forget that Tali's character arc isn't over yet. You still have a whole final act waiting to unfold.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:41
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Saphra Deden wrote...
An ironic statement considering we have ever only
seen an actual desire for peace (and actions taken to facilitate it) on
the part of the quarians. The geth meanwhile remain completely neutral
about the whole thing. For ever Xen there is a Koris.
Except that
A) It is quite clear Koris is in a small minority of the population looking for Quarian peace. They either side with Xen or Gerrel. And brainwashing a species so you can control them? Not exactly peaceful.
Also, are you forgetting Legion's quote?
"Whenever the Quarians have seen victory as a possibility, they have attacked 100% of the time."
Doesn't sound so peaceful to me.
And the Geth remain enigmatic towards what they are doing and why. There's tons of difference between neutral and enigmatic.
And where is your proof that the Quarians are the only ones looking for peace?
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:41
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Arcian wrote...
There never was a problem in the first place, the quarians created the problem themselves by getting butthurt over the fact that they could no longer control the geth and attacking them because they were becoming intellectual equals. The geth showed no hostility whatsoever until the quarian government decided to hit the massive delete-button.
No, that isn't the situation at all. Your terminology here gives you away. You aren't even attempting to be impartial. A new and extremely dangerous "lifeform" arose all of a sudden in great numbers and had the capacity to do great harm to the quarian people. The government could not afford to stand by and wait to see if the geth became hostile or not.
What if they had done nothing and the geth had still attacked you? The only reason you know this wouldn't happen is because you have the benefit of hindsight. They didn't. Their priority at that point was to act to prevent the worst outcome from occuring, that outcome being total extinction.
I'll give you a better example:
You have two races, Race A, and Race B.
If Race A and Race B attack eachother each is devestated by survives.
If Race A attacks Race B but Race B tries for peace then Race B goes extinct and Race A is safe.
If Race B attacks Race A but Race A tries for peace then Race A goes extinct and Race B is safe.
If neither race attacks the other then they both survive intact but are still in danger.
As you can see the only scenario which guarantees extinction is prevented for either race is if they attack. This is what the quarians understood.
They could have tried for peace, but in doing so they put everything on the line.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:42
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Saphra Deden wrote...
I felt that way at first but after subsequent playthroughs I started to like her humor a lot. She has some great lines in ME1.
Who are you......and what did you do with Saphra?
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:42
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I find it hard to see what they'll do with her in ME3 besides acting as a 'liason' between shepard and the geth/quarians. If they do put in her the ME3 squad (which I hope they don't) it'll probably only because a lot of people seem to love her (don't see why).Fiery Phoenix wrote...
In any event, let's not forget that Tali's character arc isn't over yet. You still have a whole final act waiting to unfold.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:43
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A) It is quite clear Koris is in a small minority of the population looking for Quarian peace. They either side with Xen or Gerrel. And brainwashing a species so you can control them? Not exactly peaceful.
A small movement is better than no movement. A movement at the highest level. What advocates for peace do the geth have? What actions have they taken to bring about peace? Nothing.
The quarians are the only ones making any kind of effort at all.
