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[Capt_Flashheart]

Golden Owl wrote...

She also states earlier on, that a kiss could hospitalize her....Plus, how many of us have made the odd foolish decision based on what our hearts want, over what our heads know.

After she says that Tali talks about how she can take precautions to minimise the risk of infection. She could have chosen to use nerve stim programs but she wanted her relationship with Shepard to be the real thing, "...your skin on mine". Tali knew what the risks were.
After the suicide mission Shepard can speak to Tali and she says she's sick, but otherwise fine. More importantly Tali affirms that "it was totally worth it". Since she doesn't drop dead on all the subsequent missions she can be brought on,  arguments that romancing Tali will kill her are pretty much already dismissed.
The fact that Tali is willing to risk death to be with Shepard makes her special. Tali's love for Shepard feels all the more genuine because of it.

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Modifié par Capt_Flashheart, 04 mai 2011 - 04:51 .

[mikethor007]

Golden Owl wrote...
The unfinished business, if you make sure she isn't exiled, she mentions later that it may have been easier to be exiled, as now her name has been put forward to replace her father on the Admiralty...could loose her to that.

Tali as an Admiral doesn't make much sense. She doesn't nearly have the same experience that a seasoned officer has. Plus, she said some people, not a large part of the quarian population. She could be bumped up the command chain a bit though.

Lastly, if she were an Admiral, how would she be a squad member in ME3?

Modifié par mikethor007, 04 mai 2011 - 05:05 .

[Nashiktal]

mikethor007 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
The unfinished business, if you make sure she isn't exiled, she mentions later that it may have been easier to be exiled, as now her name has been put forward to replace her father on the Admiralty...could loose her to that.

Tali as an Admiral doesn't make much sense. She doesn't nearly have the same experience that a seasoned officer has. Plus, she said some people, not a large part of the quarian population. She could be bumped up the command chain a bit though.

Lastly, if she were an Admiral, how would she be a squad member in ME3?

If you look at the Adrmiralty board, you would see that Tali could very well fit on the board. Just look at Admiral Xen. She isn't a leader of people, as much as she is a mad scientist. While I do not wish for Tali to be an admiral, her lineage (Lineage doesn't equal power, but it does give her *legitimacy* so to speak) her fame as a hero (she fought saren, geth, reapers, collectors, you name it) and she just helped to retake the Alerai from the Geth.

[Someone With Mass]

Tali still lacks the right skills to be an admiral, in my opinion.

And frankly, any other admiral can take Rael's place instead of her.

[Nashiktal]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Tali still lacks the right skills to be an admiral, in my opinion.

And frankly, any other admiral can take Rael's place instead of her.

Indeed. However just because someone doesn't have the skills, or the experience, doesn't mean they don't somehow become leader of their country. Tali has support to become such a leader, anything else is irrevelent until hindsight kicks in.

[Someone With Mass]

Nashiktal wrote...
Indeed. However just because someone doesn't have the skills, or the experience, doesn't mean they don't somehow become leader of their country. Tali has support to become such a leader, anything else is irrevelent until hindsight kicks in.

Though, just because she can become a leader, doesn't mean she can become the right leader.

[Nashiktal]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...
Indeed. However just because someone doesn't have the skills, or the experience, doesn't mean they don't somehow become leader of their country. Tali has support to become such a leader, anything else is irrevelent until hindsight kicks in.

Though, just because she can become a leader, doesn't mean she can become the right leader.

And again I am telling you, it is all irrevelant. Unless Tali herself refuses, she might very well become a leader. Whether she is right, wrong, incompetant, genius, those factors are irrevelant at the moment.

[Faust1991]

I imagine during the events of ME2 and ME3 she might go back for a bit to the fleet. I mean we have no idea how ME3 will even start out, but there's no way we'll already have a squad with us. Either way depending on whether or not we romanced her or not will make for some interesting different scenarios when we go to the fleet to visit/recruit her. It'll definitely be a nice reunion either way.

[Weiser_Cain]

We kind of do know, but I won't spoil it here (plus it could change) other than to say there might be a chance for Tali to do something.

[Someone With Mass]

I really doubt she'd have enough supporters to get the spot, anyway. The quarians can't be that stupid.

[Faust1991]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

We kind of do know, but I won't spoil it here (plus it could change) other than to say there might be a chance for Tali to do something.

We do know what? Im out of the loop lol, i don't remember reading anything specific when i looked up on ME3

*edit* feel free me to PM me about it, ill be in bootcamp when the game comes out, im really anxious lol. My two weeks back will be spent playing the hell out of it.

Modifié par Faust1991, 04 mai 2011 - 06:39 .

[Nashiktal]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I really doubt she'd have enough supporters to get the spot, anyway. The quarians can't be that stupid.

Why not? Humanity has been doing it for thousands of years. You would be surprised what people are elected for. Honestly look at history. It is VERY common.

Besides look at the Admiralty board again. You have three different leaders with three extremely conflicting views for which direction their people should take. Each of them have varying "skills." 

Hell for an "Admiralty" board, there is only one military man on there.

In any case Tali could probably learn to be a decent admiral. Better than trying to make her a squad leader.

[Someone With Mass]

Considering that there's probably an admiral ready to take her father's place right now? Why even bother? Besides, she pretty much said herself that she doesn't want to.

[Nashiktal]

Then hopefully she won't be pulled away. You see that is the factor that decides all of this. Does Tali want to be an Admiral? Or better yet, Would Tali take up being an Admiral to save her people? We will have to see what Bioware has in store for her. (Personally I just want her to remain a squadmate.)

[MadCat221]

I predict.... I predict that Tali will become an Admiral, and her first, last, and only official act will be to dissolve the Conclave because they're standing in the way of the otherwise unanimous Admiralty of doing whatever path you chose to do.

Modifié par MadCat221, 04 mai 2011 - 06:58 .

[Collider]

Golden Owl wrote...

Is anybody else here concerned that romancing Tali could have bad repercussions in ME3, given her immune system? Or think that Shep maybe a real jerk for willingly putting her in that danger? This is coming from someone who's until very recent canon Shep always romanced Tali, now he romances no-one, due to my thoughts on why would he, given the danger.

You don't have to sleep with Tali to do her romance. "Rejecting" her at the romance scene has Shepard say that it's not right to do this before the suicide mission. The romance remains active, when you talk to her after it she gives you regular repeating romance dialog and she is invitable to the cabin.

One of the things important to consider is that unless Tali wants to go without sex (with anyone) her entire life, she is eventually going to have that take risk.

Modifié par Collider, 04 mai 2011 - 07:48 .

[Alienmorph]

And, in fact, staying with someone who's levo-Dna oddly it's safer for her... the best she can take for being with Shepard is an allergic reaction, she can't contract any virus or dangerous bacterias from him. Unless it would happen with a turian or even with another quarian. Also, if the interspecies sex for quarians is enough common to make even a not-porn (?) movie about it, the mortaly rate linked to it must not be so elevated. I guess that Tali seemed so worried because it was her first time and because being humans in the galactic community from a such short time (just a few decades) probably there were not much records about human/quarian mating and so she didn't know how her phisiology would have react.

[wraith_05]

Before I start, if this question has been answered, please direct me to the thread.

I have both Mass Effect 1 & 2 - I romanced Liara, but fell in love with Tali in Mass Effect 2.

My question is this: When I depart for Ilos in Mass Effect 1, Liara walks into my quarters to intiate the romance scene. If I turn her down, will it still count as romancing her in Mass Effect 2, and further cause issues in Mass Effect 3?

I want to have a perfect save from Mass Effect 1 & 2 with only romancing Tali. If I have to replay the game to acheive this I will as I love Tali!!

-Thanks

[Alphyn]

wraith_05 wrote...

Before I start, if this question has been answered, please direct me to the thread.

I have both Mass Effect 1 & 2 - I romanced Liara, but fell in love with Tali in Mass Effect 2.

My question is this: When I depart for Ilos in Mass Effect 1, Liara walks into my quarters to intiate the romance scene. If I turn her down, will it still count as romancing her in Mass Effect 2, and further cause issues in Mass Effect 3?

I want to have a perfect save from Mass Effect 1 & 2 with only romancing Tali. If I have to replay the game to acheive this I will as I love Tali!!

-Thanks

As far as I know, if you turn down Liara, the relationship ends.

I could be wrong though.

If you're looking to do a "clean-sheets" playthrough of ME1, then it's probably best not to talk to any of the possible romance options, and then go for Tali or whoever you want in ME2.

[Golden Owl]

Nashiktal wrote...

It was mentioned that shep took steps to help protect Tali. In any case even if he wasn't "clean" I wouldn't worry about her dying. She got through it with nothing worse than seasonal allergies.

Yes, I really don't expect her to die....I guess the point I have been trying to make is...Okay, imagine you really are Shep, not the player knowing his a Mary Sue and knowing that Tali will be fine...but from Sheps point of view himself, through his eyes so to speak, as if you are actually him in that world, in that situation...what would you do with Tali?

[MadMapper]

wraith_05 wrote...

Before I start, if this question has been answered, please direct me to the thread.

I have both Mass Effect 1 & 2 - I romanced Liara, but fell in love with Tali in Mass Effect 2.

My question is this: When I depart for Ilos in Mass Effect 1, Liara walks into my quarters to intiate the romance scene. If I turn her down, will it still count as romancing her in Mass Effect 2, and further cause issues in Mass Effect 3?

I want to have a perfect save from Mass Effect 1 & 2 with only romancing Tali. If I have to replay the game to acheive this I will as I love Tali!!

-Thanks

I'm 90% sure it DOES NOT turn it down, because they won't have sex but they ares till "together". 

The only way to be sure is to NEVER talk to Liara, obviously except for the 2-3 times that she does the mental link with Shep.

This is coming from someone who tried not romancing Liara (but still wanted to talk to her) but ended up discovering it in the middle late of ME2 

[Golden Owl]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

She also states earlier on, that a kiss could hospitalize her....Plus, how many of us have made the odd foolish decision based on what our hearts want, over what our heads know.

After she says that Tali talks about how she can take precautions to minimise the risk of infection. She could have chosen to use nerve stim programs but she wanted her relationship with Shepard to be the real thing, "...your skin on mine". Tali knew what the risks were.
After the suicide mission Shepard can speak to Tali and she says she's sick, but otherwise fine. More importantly Tali affirms that "it was totally worth it". Since she doesn't drop dead on all the subsequent missions she can be brought on,  arguments that romancing Tali will kill her are pretty much already dismissed.
The fact that Tali is willing to risk death to be with Shepard makes her special. Tali's love for Shepard feels all the more genuine because of it.

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Oh I agree, Tali's love is definitely the most genuine, she genuinely loves Shep...not enamoured by his immediate presence as such, like many other choices...hers was more a growth through knowing him...which makes a lot more sense to me.

[Golden Owl]

Nashiktal wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...
Indeed. However just because someone doesn't have the skills, or the experience, doesn't mean they don't somehow become leader of their country. Tali has support to become such a leader, anything else is irrevelent until hindsight kicks in.

Though, just because she can become a leader, doesn't mean she can become the right leader.

And again I am telling you, it is all irrevelant. Unless Tali herself refuses, she might very well become a leader. Whether she is right, wrong, incompetant, genius, those factors are irrevelant at the moment.

I'm thinking it's possible Tali will be offered the posting and accept it and using her Admiral status to help Shep rally the Quarians....thats what I have been wondering anyway...If this does happen though, I can't see how she and Shep couldn't still maintain a relationship....I guess its all a matter of waiting to see what BW comes up with.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 04 mai 2011 - 10:07 .