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[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

She will not become an admiral at the age of 25.

Yes, this.

For the love of God people, stop talking she'll be admiral in ME3.



EDIT#1

On top.

Modifié par Mesina2, 04 mai 2011 - 05:01 .

[Faust1991]

Alienmorph wrote...

What's the point of discussing about a fictional character if we need to remember every 5 minutes that's fictional? Two words: disbelief's suspenction.

Of course i agree 100%, its no different than the boba fett fans, or spider man fans etc etc.  I just noticed that people in other threads/areas of  the internet might actually not want to believe shes not.  To be fair though? Space is big and noone can say there may not be something like that out there lol.

*Edit* Which is why we have cosplayers ahahaha

Modifié par Faust1991, 04 mai 2011 - 05:06 .

[ridicimousman]

heh, i think my compliment to tali got a bit blown out of proportion. /

yeah i definitely doubt she will be part of the admiralty...although like shepard, they may consider her an exception to the rule because of her recent involvement with saving the galaxy (twice). She probably has seen more complex combat than most quarians twice her age. Wisdom isn't necessarily defined by age...age just lends itself to experience.

[Nashiktal]

Mesina2 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

She will not become an admiral at the age of 25.

Yes, this.

For the love of God people, stop talking she'll be admiral in ME3.

You havn't been playing many Bioware games have you? Its perfectly possible. I don't want it to happen, but I am honestly confused as to why people think it won't happen. Much sillier stuff happens in RL on a regular basis.

[mikethor007]

ridicimousman wrote...

heh, i think my compliment to tali got a bit blown out of proportion. /

yeah i definitely doubt she will be part of the admiralty...although like shepard, they may consider her an exception to the rule because of her recent involvement with saving the galaxy (twice). She probably has seen more complex combat than most quarians twice her age. Wisdom isn't necessarily defined by age...age just lends itself to experience.

If the Quarian military is anything like the armed forces we know, she'd never get boosted all the way up to Admiral while she can barely handle the duties of a squad leader (at least from what we're shown in-game). She still has to experience much of the harsh realities of command to be able to handle that kind of responsibility. Moreover, as already said, she's going to be only 25 in ME3. No one gets promoted to the uppermost echelons of command at that age. The chain has to be respected.

Nashiktal wrote...

You havn't been playing many Bioware
games have you? Its perfectly possible. I don't want it to happen, but I
am honestly confused as to why people think it won't happen. Much
sillier stuff happens in RL on a regular basis.

Ah, yes. Bioware can indeed just shoehorn it in. Doesn't make it any more believable though.

Modifié par mikethor007, 04 mai 2011 - 05:51 .

[Skid606]

Now's as good a time as ever to mention my thought on this matter..If memory serves me right Kal'Reeger introduces himself as "squad leader" on Hastrom. Tali is part of the science team, in other words she's a VIP, not a leader in that situation. I'm assuming her comment that "her squad" died is what caused this opinion but under that logic if you saw a war movie where some private talks about "his squad" getting blown up he would automatically be the squad leader. Unless there's a specific line I've forgotten it's my humble opinion that we've been assuming wrong this whole time.

[Nashiktal]

mikethor007 wrote...

ridicimousman wrote...

heh, i think my compliment to tali got a bit blown out of proportion. /

yeah i definitely doubt she will be part of the admiralty...although like shepard, they may consider her an exception to the rule because of her recent involvement with saving the galaxy (twice). She probably has seen more complex combat than most quarians twice her age. Wisdom isn't necessarily defined by age...age just lends itself to experience.

If the Quarian military is anything like the armed forces we know, she'd never get boosted all the way up to Admiral while she can barely handle the duties of a squad leader (at least from what we're shown in-game). She still has to experience much of the harsh realities of command to be able to handle that kind of responsibility. Moreover, as already said, she's going to be only 25 in ME3. No one gets promoted to the uppermost echelons of command at that age. The chain has to be respected.

Nashiktal wrote...

You havn't been playing many Bioware
games have you? Its perfectly possible. I don't want it to happen, but I
am honestly confused as to why people think it won't happen. Much
sillier stuff happens in RL on a regular basis.

Ah, yes. Bioware can indeed just shoehorn it in. Doesn't make it any more believable though.

Indeed. However we cannot assume the Quarian military is the same as our modern military. They are alien. 

Even if they did follow human history in regards to armed forces, that actually doesn't close off the possibility. Once upon a time teenagers were seen as fit for leading entire armies. While we certaintly didn't see any teenagers on the admiralty board, it doesn't close off the fact that Tali, as an Adult, who was in the right places in the right time to get support for admiralty, has the possibility to become an admiral.

I should clarify again that I am not wanting Tali to be an admiral, I am just trying to point out that it is entirely possible, and that we should expect the worse just in case.

[Nashiktal]

Skid606 wrote...

Now's as good a time as ever to mention my thought on this matter..If memory serves me right Kal'Reeger introduces himself as "squad leader" on Hastrom. Tali is part of the science team, in other words she's a VIP, not a leader in that situation. I'm assuming her comment that "her squad" died is what caused this opinion but under that logic if you saw a war movie where some private talks about "his squad" getting blown up he would automatically be the squad leader. Unless there's a specific line I've forgotten it's my humble opinion that we've been assuming wrong this whole time.

Tali was indeed NOT the squadleader on haestrom. However she was the leader at freedom's progress when we first meet her, where almost her entire squad was killed aside from the few in that cabin.

I personally don't see that as Tali's fault, given that a leader-follower dynamic is a two-way street, but try telling that to people.

[Faust1991]

Arcian wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

You havn't been playing many Bioware games have you? Its perfectly possible. I don't want it to happen, but I am honestly confused as to why people think it won't happen. Much sillier stuff happens in RL on a regular basis.

The youngest person in human history who was promoted to 4-star admiral was 49 years old, and that's just a military role. The admirals in the migrant fleet are extremely important military, political and social positions reserved only to the wisest and most experienced individuals with the qualities and the leadership to run the Migrant Fleet in a way that does not compromise it.

Not to mention that Tali is a HORRIBLE leader. After her long string of failures I wouldn't be surprised if they barred her from becoming captain of her own ship, or even an XO.

Mark my words, the only way for her to become an admiral in the MF is to completely butcher her character and the common sense of every quarian everywhere.

Just send her as a squad leader during the suicide mission, that about wraps it up .  She lacks the quick decisiveness a leader needs, as well as the stomache to do unpleasant things should the need arise. When i say that i don't just mean killing things, i mean killing things for questionable reasons for the good of the people. She's a strong support character, but thats about it IMO.  Believe me i know a leader when i see one, dad was a GYSGT for 20 years and I've spent enough time around military folk, I KNOW A LEADER lol.

However knowing how things have progressed with other characters? Wrex becoming leader of Urdnot, and Garrus becoming a vigilante of sorts? It feels like she'll be an admiral for the sake of "dur well who else is that important" which would be butchering her character as you said.

Modifié par Faust1991, 04 mai 2011 - 06:18 .

[Link112]

Well, not that it's a surprise, and I'm sure you all know already, but ME3 has been delayed til sometime during the first the months of 2012. For now. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets delayed more.

Though if I have to wait much past the opening months of 2012 to see Tali again, I'll be a sad panda.

[Faust1991]

Link112 wrote...

Well, not that it's a surprise, and I'm sure you all know already, but ME3 has been delayed til sometime during the first the months of 2012. For now. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets delayed more.

Though if I have to wait much past the opening months of 2012 to see Tali again, I'll be a sad panda.

So much for playing it when i get back, ugh.

[Spartas Husky]

Bioware... they are good if they take their time. DA2 is proof of what happen when they rush it. They need mroe time than other developers to bring out a good game. DONT RUSH BIOWARE. dammit do something right after the last 2 games.... well mostly right. Some credit is due. But not most.

[Duhhhh599]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

After time adrift, etc.<br />
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I'd like to state that LotSB left me with a better impression of Liara, but that it also reaffirmed the choice I made RE: Tali. That was excellent writing on BW's part. The fact that they gave props to everyone's favorite quarian was a further sign they're doing all the right things.

not gonna lie pretty hot pic of tali lol

[Faust1991]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Bioware... they are good if they take their time. DA2 is proof of what happen when they rush it. They need mroe time than other developers to bring out a good game. DONT RUSH BIOWARE. dammit do something right after the last 2 games.... well mostly right. Some credit is due. But not most.

This, we all saw what happens to games that are rushed, *COUGH* halo 2 and beyond.

Modifié par Faust1991, 04 mai 2011 - 07:03 .

[Andaius20]

Thats what happens

[Faust1991]

Andaius20 wrote...



Thats what happens

Wait i don't get it. Whats going on?

[Nashiktal]

Arcian wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

You havn't been playing many Bioware games have you? Its perfectly possible. I don't want it to happen, but I am honestly confused as to why people think it won't happen. Much sillier stuff happens in RL on a regular basis.

The youngest person in human history who was promoted to 4-star admiral was 49 years old, and that's just a military role. The admirals in the migrant fleet are extremely important military, political and social positions reserved only to the wisest and most experienced individuals with the qualities and the leadership to run the Migrant Fleet in a way that does not compromise it.

Not to mention that Tali is a HORRIBLE leader. After her long string of failures I wouldn't be surprised if they barred her from becoming captain of her own ship, or even an XO.

Mark my words, the only way for her to become an admiral in the MF is to completely butcher her character and the common sense of every quarian everywhere.

I am honestly confused here Arcian. What is her long string of failures? Freedom's progress? Haestrom? 

I agree that I do not want her to be an admiral, and I agree that it doesn't fit her character. I want her to stay down in the engine room, or on the ground blasting the face off of husks. (Also while four star general is nice, our youngest generals are actually in the low 20's by modern standards. Go back a hundred years or so and they get significantly younger than that. Hell we are even electing 18 year old mayors now, not comparable to the admiraly board, but still)

Seriously though. Young leaders are common. Maybe not for the highest positions, but they are more prevelant than you think, especially outside of America! Even then you have to consider that people are not going to elect Tali because of leadership experience, they want her on the Admiralty board for all she has done for her people. She fought saren, making quarians look good to the galaxy as a whole, she fought geth saving the alliance from an invasion, she helped increase the flotilla's fighting odds against geth with tech, she helps shep defeat the collectors, the list goes on.

Hell George Washington was a crappy leader, and he ended up as the first president of the United States, became a competant civil leader, and is practically worshipped. (He was even depicted as a roman god in a statue!)

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

^ Shepard and Tali have just destroyed a human reaper. That's what

[Nashiktal]

I have to dispute her failures as you put them.

On freedom's progress I do not see prazza's betrayel as a failure in leadership. Leadership has three components. The leader, the followers, and the situation. In this case Prazza disobeyed a direct order and went off to do his own thing. He disregarded Tali's authority. While this shows that Tali isn't very charismatic, it isn't tali's fault Prazza didn't listen. Sometimes you have idiots.

In haestrom Tali wasn't even in charge of keeping anyone alive. She was on the science team. Tali's job was to get information on why the sun was dying. It works like this. She and her science team tell the security team (kal and the marines) what they need to get their research. In this case it was the observatory. Its kal's job to get Tali and team to the observatory alive. Tali succeeded in getting the Data, so she did NOT fail. (And arguably Kal didn't either, he did what he could with a platoon of geth dropping on his head)

Also the arguments about whether Tali would make a good leader or not is missing the point of my arguments. It doesn't matter if she is a GOOD leader, what matters is that people WANT her to be a leader. It would be likely if she becomes an admiral she would lose popular support quickly, but that is irrelevant to the fact that she has support for leadership.

[nakrato]

wraith_05 wrote...

Before I start, if this question has been answered, please direct me to the thread.

I have both Mass Effect 1 & 2 - I romanced Liara, but fell in love with Tali in Mass Effect 2.

My question is this: When I depart for Ilos in Mass Effect 1, Liara walks into my quarters to intiate the romance scene. If I turn her down, will it still count as romancing her in Mass Effect 2, and further cause issues in Mass Effect 3?

I want to have a perfect save from Mass Effect 1 & 2 with only romancing Tali. If I have to replay the game to acheive this I will as I love Tali!!

-Thanks

Well I turned down Ashley one time, but her picture still apeared in my ME2 quartes( indicating she was still counting as a romance)

[CroGamer002]

Nashiktal wrote...


It doesn't matter if she is a GOOD leader, what matters is that people WANT her to be a leader.

If my people wanted to put me as a leader, they would be screwed.

[StefanBW]

If Liara showed up in the captain's quarters then it counts as a romance.

If you want to avoid a romance in ME1, use this guide. I tried it on my last game and it worked. --> http://social.biowar...4/index/2970780

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I think Tali is more suitable for conducting missions than sorting out diplomatic relations. She is badass, but speaks her mind too much to be an Admiral. I also think that a position like that is acquired through having experience and wisdom, something Tali won't have enough of until later on in life.

And I agree, Mesina would make a hillarible Admiral