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[Volrath937]

NuclearBuddha wrote...
If this were the case, why wouldn't they have designed their own helmets to allow for such emoting?

Anyway, as I always say in these instances, it'd be creepy to design a slave race to look just like yourself.  You'd want to "de-humanize" them so you didn't worry about treating them like tools.

I think the quarians had to design to the geth to be somewhat humanoid. All the tools and machines they'd be using were designed for quarian use. I wonder if the geth would be as sympathetic if they looked like G0-T0. 

They have to show Tali, or a quarian, without their suit at some point. They've been teasing us all throughout ME2.

[NuclearBuddha]

Volrath937 wrote...
I think the quarians had to design to the geth to be somewhat humanoid. All the tools and machines they'd be using were designed for quarian use. I wonder if the geth would be as sympathetic if they looked like G0-T0. 

They have to show Tali, or a quarian, without their suit at some point. They've been teasing us all throughout ME2.

Well, I'm not disputing the "quarianoid" shape.  I'm speaking only about the heads.  That's where all the self-identification would be made.

Edit:  I should also note that regular geth don't have the head-flaps.

Double Edit:  And no, they wouldn't be as sympathetic if they looked like G0-T0.  I hated that guy.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:47 .

[Kikaimegami]

Volrath937 wrote...

I think the quarians had to design to the geth to be somewhat humanoid. All the tools and machines they'd be using were designed for quarian use. I wonder if the geth would be as sympathetic if they looked like G0-T0. 

They have to show Tali, or a quarian, without their suit at some point. They've been teasing us all throughout ME2.

It's sort of like how we try to design robots that look like us. And as for an ME example, look at LOKI Mechs--they look like humanoid races (actually, specifically, they look like asari and humans in that they have five fingers and similar "skeletal" structure, such as leg shape).

Especially in Tali's romance. <_< It's like "HOLY DAMN WE GET TO SEE---wait, what?" BioWare, I am disappoint.

Modifié par Kikaimegami, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:50 .

[Andaius20]

Quarian hair? I'd be fine with as long as shoulder length hair. Also I'm not so sure about that Volrath, just look at the machines we have today that try to look human. However In machine form equals function for the most part so I don't really see them all being generic "humaniod clones."

[Kikaimegami]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Well, I'm not disputing the "quarianoid" shape.  I'm speaking only about the heads.  That's where all the self-identification would be made.

Edit:  I should also note that regular geth don't have the head-flaps.

Double Edit:  And no, they wouldn't be as sympathetic if they looked like G0-T0.  I hated that guy.

I admit, I only think that because I think it would be awesome if they ended up looking sort of like that, with scales or quills surrounding their faces that they wiggle around :3

[Volrath937]

Well, given that in 300 years they've made no attempt to make their heads more visible, I'd say there's nothing important related to quarian verbal cues up there. The geth head has 1 eye and no skull, big difference already.



Legion's platform was special made right? The flaps are for "emoting" to organics it meets then.



Hey, G0-T0 paid you for doing story missions.

[NuclearBuddha]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...
I hope the Quarian color of the species, not liek human. That also would be un-original. They could and can be any type of color, in the darker area of colors like dark green, purple or bluish type like Asari. The color is also an interesting part of them.

I prefer grey, but I've seen some interesting fanart with darker colors.

[Volrath937]

Andaius20 wrote...

Quarian hair? I'd be fine with as long as shoulder length hair. Also I'm not so sure about that Volrath, just look at the machines we have today that try to look human. However In machine form equals function for the most part so I don't really see them all being generic "humaniod clones."

If we ever progress to using fully functional robots that are given some autonomy, I pray we keep them as non-humanoid as possible. The last thing we need are people treating machines as people. 

Well with hair, here's the thing, if you keep it covered up too long, it falls out. Or sometime it falls out for reason at all ._.

So with Tali, unless the quarians built their suits to maintain hair growth for some reason, any hair she had would have fallen out a long time ago. 

I hope the Quarian color of the species, not liek human. That also would be un-original. They could and can be any type of color, in the darker area of colors like dark green, purple or bluish type like Asari. The color is also an interesting part of them.

 
I'm a sucker for girls of all colors (Human and alien). I read a story where Tali was kind of a pale splotchy red, I could really dig something like that.

Modifié par Volrath937, 16 septembre 2010 - 05:01 .

[TheodoricFriede]

My preferred idea for quarian skin color is a sort of lavender color.

As for hair, it wouldn't bother me, but I would prefer something less human. I do like the idea of quills though.

[Andaius20]

They make them more like humans so we will interact with them better. I thought that was the point of that design strat?



I like to think thats part of that the headscarf is covering. Room for longer hair.

[Orange Face_]

A few thoughts on Tali... sorry for length or stepping on toes...

1) The changes in Tali from ME1-ME2 are interesting but I think that from 2-3 they will be profound based on Shepards actions. She might be an admiral of the Migrant fleet who is romanced by Kal Reeger if Shep saved her from exile and saved Kal and didn't romance her. She could be the Chief Engineer on the Normandy if she's exiled and loyal. Depending on how the Legion scenario played out she could be a peace negotiator between Quarians and Geth, giving the Quarians A) their homeworld and ground forces to augment their formidable fleet. There is no other character (except maybe Wrex) that has such a wide spectrum of possibilities based on Sheps actions and that's very interesting.

[NuclearBuddha]

I don't know if we'll see such a wide range: that'd be a lot of different things to record/account for. Even with Wrex it was a pretty binary thing. He's either there or not.



Anyway, I'd prefer she be on the ship either way. She even changes her name.

[Volrath937]

Quills would be adorable, especially if she has little bands on them.

Orange Face wrote...

A few thoughts on Tali... sorry for length or stepping on toes...
1) The changes in Tali from ME1-ME2 are interesting but I think that from 2-3 they will be profound based on Shepards actions. She might be an admiral of the Migrant fleet who is romanced by Kal Reeger if Shep saved her from exile and saved Kal and didn't romance her. She could be the Chief Engineer on the Normandy if she's exiled and loyal. Depending on how the Legion scenario played out she could be a peace negotiator between Quarians and Geth, giving the Quarians A) their homeworld and ground forces to augment their formidable fleet. There is no other character (except maybe Wrex) that has such a wide spectrum of possibilities based on Sheps actions and that's very interesting.

Tali's been pretty consistent across ME1/2, other than becoming less naive, what do you think changed?
She's been pretty poor as a leader so far, both teams she's lead have been wiped out. Why would she be made an Admiral? Would she accept instead of staying on the Normandy? She can do more good on Shepard's ship than dealing with petty politics in my opinion.
Keeping in mind what it took for her to open up to a relationship with Shepard, why would she seek one with Kal?
It does seem like Bioware is going to push us into making Tali integral with making peace with the geth, so I could see a paragon Shepard having her at his side during peace talks.

Modifié par Volrath937, 16 septembre 2010 - 05:17 .

[Orange Face_]

2) Will a romance work with Shep? That is also a very interesting possibility. I think the L.I's will play a huge role in ME3 based on the Ashely, Kaiden and Sheps conversation at the Citadel in ME1 and Tali's Romance is very interesting because there are many reasons for it not to work. Kal and Tali seem to dig each other, and the unworkable amino/dex acid situation. If it can work that would make it even more amazing, but I wonder if ME2 relationships are designed to be workable. Jack has major issues, Jacob says he's not interested in long term, Garrus has the same Acid issues, Thane is dying, Samara isn't interested, Morinth is a fatal attraction, and Miranda is a Cerberus b@$*^.

[NuclearBuddha]

Orange Face wrote...
 but I wonder if ME2 relationships are designed to be workable.

This would be extremely poor game design if it were not the case.

[Orange Face_]

Volrath937 wrote...

Quills would be adorable, especially if she has little bands on them.

Orange Face wrote...

A few thoughts on Tali... sorry for length or stepping on toes...
1) The changes in Tali from ME1-ME2 are interesting but I think that from 2-3 they will be profound based on Shepards actions. She might be an admiral of the Migrant fleet who is romanced by Kal Reeger if Shep saved her from exile and saved Kal and didn't romance her. She could be the Chief Engineer on the Normandy if she's exiled and loyal. Depending on how the Legion scenario played out she could be a peace negotiator between Quarians and Geth, giving the Quarians A) their homeworld and ground forces to augment their formidable fleet. There is no other character (except maybe Wrex) that has such a wide spectrum of possibilities based on Sheps actions and that's very interesting.

Tali's been pretty consistent across ME1/2, other than becoming less naive, what do you think changed?
She's been pretty poor as a leader so far, both teams she's lead have been wiped out. Why would she be made an Admiral? Would she accept instead of staying on the Normandy? She can do more good on Shepard's ship than dealing with pretty politics in my opinion.
Keeping in mind what it took for her to open up to a relationship with Shepard, why would she seek one with Kal?
It does seem like Bioware is going to push us into making Tali integral with making peace with the geth, so I could see a paragon Shepard having her at his side during peace talks.

She would make a great Admiral becasue she has the respect of her people and a perspective that most of them lack (ie the Reapers, the Geth if you played it that way) she's not a combat leader which is fine but she has the best interests of her people in mind.... As for her relationship with Kal it seems as though this relationship is already brewing and if the two continue to climb the social ladder like they are they will be rubbing elbows alot more.  Consider an Admiral forming a lasting relationship with the Military leadership of the Quarians, that would be a powerhouse couple that could politically unite the Qurians.  Furthermore I fear that a relationship with good old Shep would pull Tali away from her people, limiting her effectivness with her own people.  Look at what happens with Wrex, he seperates himself from Shep and begins to unify his people.  Paragon Shep plays a huge part in the lives of the people he/she meets, and they end up becoming the Shep for their people. 

[Kikaimegami]

[Orange Face_]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Orange Face wrote...
 but I wonder if ME2 relationships are designed to be workable.

This would be extremely poor game design if it were not the case.

Respectfully I disagree, I think it is an amazing game design to put something so tangable  from our everyday lives into an RPG.  There are many relationships that involve people madly in love with each other that don't work because of various circumstances.  If Bioware can put this into a game and have us feel it then we should tip our hats to them.  Granted this view of Romancing Tali is based on a Pargon Sheps actions.  I could easily see a Renegade Shep getting Tali exiled and having her at his side as she's got no where else to go, but that is exactly why I would consider this Shep to be Renegade, because he has take the champion of the Quarian people away from them.